Okay. Is it possible for a vampyre to effectively block a bullet from a gun with a sword? Here is my reasoning.

Scientifically, (If you can CALL vampyre's that) these vampyre's have increased reflexes, reactions, sight, speed, and so on and so forth. In my idea, a vampyre could possibly block a bullet with a sword.

Example: Kelthos watched closely, his eyes completely on the muscles in the hand of the gunslinger, his who body loose and ready, his sword held lightly in one hand, ready to flash up at any given notice. He wasn't sure if he could pull this off. This was going to be the deciding factor, the moment in which red, rich blood rained down onto the cold, black cement. This blow would determine everything.

He saw it happen. The muscles in the hand tightened slightly, the finger tightened on the trigger, and everything fell into place. For the motion made by the human, the pulling of the trigger was slow. Kelthos had easily been compared to a certian clan of high speeds, and any movements made by this human would be sluggish. But the bullet wouldn't.

In his moment of waiting for the gun to fire, for the muscles to tense, he had read the path of the bullet, his trained eyes taking in the direction and aim of the barrel, the path it would take. He had taken in the attacker's eyes, noting were they were positioned, noting that the person was sighting the gun. The eyes where were the human expected the bullet to fall. SO be it.

These combination of things pulled everything into context, and Kelthos acted, snapping the blade up. He felt the kick of the bullet as it smashed into the steel of his sword, cut deep within the silver contained in the hilt. But he had blocked it. He had done it.

See my point? I wanted to address this before I came upon it in RPing, for so many people have incredibly different veiws on this subject.

Thank you,
Kelthos

I'm sure some of them can block bullets with swords.

I don't see why not.

But for the love of God, leave the 'vampyre' spelling in Neopia. Here at Vital, we tend to use 'Vampire'.

Thankssss.

*mutters something about drinking from Neopets* Yessir.

As long as you RP the bullet-block that well, and as long as you don't try and do an MGS Cyborg Ninja (ie, block an entire machinegun clip with a sword), I doubt there'll be an issue with it...

I also like how you had it wreck the sword. Makes sense it would. Then again, depending on the angle the sword was at (and the gun's calibre), the bullet could've punched clean through the thin blade and hit him anyway. You'd have to be a snooker player to get the right ricochet angle instead of the punch-through-and-hit-you-anyway angle. :P

Sorry...I've fired guns at metal myself. You can't hide behind a car like they do in movies and expect to be safe. A sword's only made of thin metal, not really more than a 5mm thick at the heaviest (even broadswords), so even a pistol round has a chance of going through.

Well, in this idea, should have made that more clear. The blade would be held with the sharp facing the opponent, and the bullet would be blocked, starting on the edge of the hilt. The rounded medalion like thing that connects hilt with metal?

Yeah, that is the main problem though, the pistol round actually biting through the blade, or just getting stuck, perhaps cracking the blade immensely.

Also, the whole deflecting angle... x_x' Waaaay too hard for me.

If I understood you right, then the guard would be snapped and the bullet would continue on, just slower and already mushroomed prior to hitting your body.

Use the flat of the blade on a heavy sword, deflect the round enough that it hits you, but only on your side and maybe the sword would survive with a healthy gouge. I think if you angled the blade to have the bullet miss, it would be too much of a head on hit for the blade to stand.

Course, that is only my opinion

Cheers
mike

If you use the flat of the blade, you'll end up with a nice hole through your sword :lol: And, as you say, the bullet mushroomed.

Using the edge would be impossible. The bullet's 9mm across, and you're trying to stop it with 0.5mm of surface area. If you got it wrong, the bullet would simply change angle a bit and be slowed down, or you'd miss the bullet altogether. If you got it right, the bullet would be stopped and/or be cleaved in half. And your blade gets a lovely little notch about a quarter-way through. But you'd still be alive. You'd need a new sword, though. Sharpening out the notch would take a large chunk of your blade.

Using the guard presents a similar issue to the edge...you've only got a small area to stop it with. And yer sword's probably screwed if you succeed.


The only option is to get a a roughly 25 to 30-degree slant on your flat, so as the bullet might ricochet away from you. Your blade's still gonna get damaged, but you might not.


Your other option is to make your sword out of something that:
1) is bulletproof, even at just a few millimetres thick
2) is light enough to wield easily and allows fast movement
3) is shockproof (to avoid dents/notches)
4) is shatterproof
5) actually exists (i.e, if I wanted, I could actually get hold of the metal and make a sword of this nature myself)

:puppydogeyes: *Hopes he isn't a party pooper...*

I love the idea though. In movies and stuff, it looks spectacular, and so long as you're happy to have your blade notched I would foresee no difficulty in letting the admins let this fly :)

Why not just get a really big gun and let the whole sword thing go? Yeah, I'm kidding really, I think it is really cool that you're thinking of the logistics of all of this stuff, most people would have simply had a sword and blocked a bullet...very little reality. Still cool though, but not very realistic.

Anyway, I wish you luck with this whole thing, and if you need a gunman to test it out on…well I’m your boy. Though it might not be so great for any sword, considering Istar carries a .50AE Desert Eagle.

But yeah, if you need someone to shoot at you, remember me!

Yeah...but remember Istar, he only has to dodge eight of your Eagle's bullets before your arm aches so much you have to stop shooting! :lol:

Anyways...I hope we haven't scared Kelthos. He seems pretty cool, and he has thought this through...then a**hole me came by and peed on his bonfire. *slaps self*

Please come back Kelthos!! :puppydogeyes:

*decides not to speak to Spiral* :P

Nah, it is okay, I love deep discussions about these types of things. My character (soon to get a charrie sheet) hates the idea of vampure's using guns, so he instead falls back to more traditional weapons.

Well, first off... I would rather have my sword ruined then a bullet hitting me! Although, is it RPed that vamps can only be killed by stakes and such? Not sure if that applies here.

Heh. Okay, I'll look you up if I want someone to shoot at me. The mushroom effect is interesting, and other facts are intriguing... the swords could possibly be light short swords, therefor being able to somehow defect. I am not sure. x_x'

Desert eagle. Ugh. I had someone fire on me with... a BlackHawk...? I think so. THAT was rough. That thing was a cannon.

It really all depends on the type and caliber of the gun, as well as the strength of the sword. For example if, say, a disgruntled human victim (Let's call him Bob) sees the vampire, and in an extremely rare occourance, actually gets a clear shot off at the vampire; whether the shot hit would be a question of the type of gun. Say Bob's using a 12 guage shotgun loaded with buckshot. No matter where the vampire is holding the sword, he's going to get hit. But if Bob is using, say, a .22 pistol, it wouldn't matter where it hit on the sword, it would be blocked. So, I guess it's really a circumstantial thing... :blink:

But who the heck carries a .22 pistol for self-defence? That's air-rifle territory. Good for popping pigeons and foxes and not a lot else. Unless you got them in the head at almost point-blank range, you aren't going to do a lot of lasting damage. Perhaps give them a limp for a fortnight or so. :blink: So yes, the sword might well block it, but even if it doesn't you're not in any great danger. It's unlikely you're gonna die from a .22.

That Eagle'd sure make a mess of you, no matter where it hit (mmm, yummy hollow-point). Same as any rifle calibre due to the higher velocity.

As for that shotty...even if it's loaded with solid shot, it's gonna own the sword anyway. It'll bite a chunk out and just keep coming =/

Still, lol, I can't believe how long we've been going discussing guns vs swords :lol:

Not all guns are needed to be shot to defend you. Someone might carry a .22 pistol just to scare the uneducated hobo trying to mug someone. You never know when intimidation might save your hide

Yeah, but most folks carrying a gun aren't doing it to look hard. When you pull a gun on someone now days, it is just like drawing your sword in the old days. It is a challenge of death, it makes you a target.

If you pull a gun on someone without thinking about shooting it, that someone may take it from you and make you very dead. Guns aren't toys, well real ones anyway! A gun is a weapon and weapons are created to hurt and kill people, that's the point.

And about the Eagle, well Istar carries it to take heads off. So yeah, it is vampire effective regardless...

And Spiral you may be right about the eight shots, but then maybe not. My character is a vampire too, so he might be able to take more gun punishment, and if not...well he has other not so natural weapons. All I'm going to say is that he better be able to dodge random combustion too.

A .22 pistol is the ideal weapon for self defence! (Plus, I was using it as an example for the situation... tryin to illustrate how broad the spectrum of firearms is... or somthing... x_x' ) You're aiming to stop the attacker, not kill them.

And I agree on the fact that drawing a gun makes you a target. It's just dangerous all around to get in a gunfight in a vampire infested city, I guess....

But how I see it, if I vampire gets past that first shot, then for the attacker, it is over. For in the space of time between the kick of the gun and pulling it around again to take another aimed shot, I would have already slit your throat.

I think. *blinks* But yes, drawing a gun is a sign. I believe that once a gun is drawn and aimed, then one person is going to die. Same with swords basically. IF you live by the blade, you usually die by the blade. x_x'

Or by the knife in the back if you become to powerful and dangerous to an important figure :wise:

x_x'

I don't like daggers.

x_x'

The knife in the back...... a tried and true method of enemy removal. Then, of course, there's good old cement shoes; but no one really takes the time for an assassination of that quality anymore.

This post raised a question in my mind... could a vampire be killed using the cement shoes method? hmmm......

that would be neat

Lots of quick dry cement, then throw him into a deep pool. He wouldn't be able to eat. So how long till a vampire starves?

Mike

All depends on their age and their coven.

Old vampires can go absolute AGES without drinking and feeding, but relativly new vampires have to feed each night.

Ah. So even vampires should beware of the mafia.......

If your talking about my character, he's not a vampire.

I have a mob faring vampire, so what's the big deal.

Yeah, the undead would know about the mafia, and my boy has gotten rich off of them...

Also for Cement Shoes to work, you have to not be able to fly, or not be stronger than most of the people that are coming after you, also not being rather unafraid of gun fire would be a boon.

In other words, once the preternatural aspects of being a vampire kick in, you're pretty safe.

True..... But what if the mob caught a vampire while they were sleeping?

And I wasn't talkin bout any char in particular..

1.) You are not a very good vampire if any mortal catches you while you are sleeping, mob or no.

2.) Sunlight is a much more immediate problem than cement shoes.

3.) Unless you do the Amman sleep of the dead and comatose, as a vampire you are still rather good as far as odds are concerned. (Vampire in its dark lair versus human, mob goons. Just not a contest really.)

I realise you've probably already gone over this, but, I just thought I'd mention:

If the sword was held with the flat facing toward the bullet, but pointing away from the attacker.

Like this:


...............l
...............l < bullet.
...............l


..........\
............\
..............\
................\ < sword
..................\
....................\


you see? the angle lets the bullet keep its momentum, but changes its direction.

I agree with Issy... If you get caught, you're not a good Vampire. Even Jax wouldn't be able to catch one and she's SEAL qualified. She's good, but no human is -that- good.

Even if a vamp wasn't in top form, no need fight, just run. Any -smart- vampire would know whether to fight or fly really. And with superhuman strength, cemete isnt even an issue. I mean come on, were talkign about beings that can bend metal pipes with bare hands or hell some even with their minds in some cases.

But no Humans, unless they are equipped hunters with UV ray lamps or what-have-you like in Blade... Come on. No contest even.

I say; Good luck when a shotgun is aimging at you.. x_x'

Vampires can't be killed by bullets anyway. Hurt, definitely. A bullet to the chest would hurt like hell. But they'd heal eventually.

Unless they're affected by silver bullets. Then, that sucks.

Is the bullet forced out naturally? Or does the vampire have to take it out manually?

I would say naturally, because the wounds would heal pushing the bullet out of the body. If it would stay there the body wouldn't be 'healed.'
That is, if the Vampires of the board can't be affected by diseases..

No diseases...very few bullets...that's vital...

I think only Istar and perhaps a few mortal characters are the only folks about with guns. Not a very big deal really, as for shot guns, well shot guns are only accurate at a set distance. What Vampire is going to let someone get that close to them with a shot gun?

Exactly. If a vampire got shot, it'd have to be a sneak attack. And then, when they didn't die, they'd turn around, point at the idiot who shot them, and go, "YOU." and then kill them.

And then continue going on through life as if nothing happened.

Well, with the bullets being pushed out thing, I would have to say that is a no...Reason being that:

When someone gets shot, the first thing the bullet enters is the skin, at which point it tears through the skin, and then enters, for example, the shoulder, goes through the muscle, then hits the bone, stopping there. The bullethole would heal from the wound, that being the entrance wound, in. Since the skin was the first thing to be damaged, it would start healing first, then the muscle, then finally the bone.

That said, it would make sense to believe that the vampire would have to dig the bullet out, since everything heals around it......Then you have to cut back open the wound, take the bullet back out, then let it heal again. So yes, you would have to cut it open.

And you won't ever be able to get though the steeldetector on the airport anymore, amen... :lol:

Okay, but what about beheading? Granted, most vampires wouldn't need guns and no mortal could get near a freshly-sired fledgling, let alone an old vampire, but think about it:

If beheading a vampire can kill them, what happens if a shotgun blows the head apart and leaves nothing on the neck intact?

Of course, I'm speaking of shotguns - so I'm talking more about the buckshot than the actual shells. But still...even a pistol, if powerful enough and shot at close range (with big enough bullets) could kill a vampire. Plus, what if they simply blew your neck apart? There goes your head, and your life with it.

Just my own two cents.

*Dances around old topic brought back to glorious life*

This brings back memories and while its a rather long topic, you'll see that we covered that question in here somewhere. A vampire would die from beheading, but again you're going to have a hard time about it.

A shot gun could work, but again you've got to find a vamp that's willing to let you get anywhere near them with a shotgun. Actually a really high powered hand gun would work too, but just like Istar found out, guns are harder to use in practice against vampires than in theory. Your best bet would probably be assassination with a high powered rifle, but that's just my two cents.

Since I am a wonderful, wonderful person and I particularly want to work with this gun idea, I am going to throw in my two cents about two possible ways I think bullets could be a pain in the butt, AND semi-effective agaisnt the vampires that they are used on.

First off, not all bullets have to be metal. What if you get to an effective bulletsmith? It is actually a fairly interesting hobby that some people have nowdays, making their own bullets. If a vampire or mortal was skilled in such a craft, he could work some magic. These are ideas I may consider my vampire having, so be sure and tell me what you think. Hopefully people will love this idea, or someone will find a kink in it and completely shoot it down. No pun intended, of course.

Hollow-tipped bullets, the tips filled with a small amount of holy water. With the right kind of metal, and ALOT of testing to make sure the metal would collapse on impact, you could make a fairly dangerous weapon, I believe. Time it so that the head melts, or is weakened right before hitting the body. Through a slow proccess of course, once again, the timing would have to be flawless. If you could somehow hit the vampire with the bullet, release the water, the you would manage to inject holy water into the body, if not bloodstream.

The one kink with this is that the water may dissolve before hitting said target, and that the bullet would have to be hand-crafted.

The second idea was another design much like a hollow-tipped bullet, but a bit different. The head of the bullet is solid wood covered in a thin layer of some kind of metal. Once it hits the body, it has the same pain involved as hitting the vampire with a stake, and if the wound heals over, then you have just effectively crippled one particular coven, and hurt others.

The kink with that is that that might not be considered the equal to hitting a vampire with a stake. That brings up the question on how a stake is different from normal wood, but that is a whole new topic.

What about bullets soaked in holy water, or having the liquid in them some other way? It would effect some, be useless on others, but still.

It is the idea that counts.