any elastica fans in here??

anyohe heard

How He Wrote Elastica Man
and
KB ,
with Mark E. Smith doing vox??

ITS REALLY GOOD

erm...maybe you should find an elastica forum birdbrain :)

Was the Elastica stuff the first you'd heard of MES? They've done you a big favour if so... Or maybe they haven't - one little taste can be addictive! Check out Barry's (or was it Punk John's?) crack-pipe analogy!!

to the one who called me birdbrain

i was just asking a question~!


and no,,ive not only heard the fall,threw those songs
although its because of those two songs that im a FALL fan now!

i LOVE MES' VOIce
its soooooooooo good

but i really wanna buy MARSHALL SUITE
i heard one song,,and it songs great


and btw,,i think that ELASTICA ARE GREAT!

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maybe you should find an elastica forum birdbrain

I remember when I started getting into The Fall (and The Kinks at the same time)
and some fucking long term fall fan gave me the same treatment. Know it all fuckwits (however much in jest) who don't allow people to go through the joy of experimentation and learning without damning others who 'haven't reached their level of initiation'.

Scum eggs, horrid trendy wretches, or summat....

wowee zowee, I can feel the tension.

funny, I got into the Fall & the Kinks simultaneously as well. My first Fall album (Frenz Experiment) & first Kinks album (Village Green) I bought w/in a couple weeks of each other & I’ve been obsessed w/ both ever since. Somehow, they're still linked in my mind.

anyway, Grimos right. not many of us just woke up in a cave one day back in ’79 & immediately went out & bought Live At the Witch Trials. As much as MES, as well as many Fall fans, deplore bands that have copped the Fall & gained more commercial success (such as Elastica, Pavement, et. al.) – it helps to remember that a lot of people wouldn’t know about the Fall otherwise (tho its still kind of annoying). Let the poor people trainees be!

In answer to the original question, 'How He Wrote Elastica Man' is rather good, although very short (a few secs over 2 mins). It's a catchy little tune, with MES urging us to 'break through those class barriers'. Just when you think it's building into something explosive, it suddenly ends.

'kb' is a bleepy beat number that sounds like a demo or outtake from 'The Unutturable' or 'Marshall Suite'. MES slurs something or other over the top. Not very exciting.

btw i hate elastica.....said it now

I finally got round to hearing Elastica Man properly last October, and I was somewhat disappointed by its shortness. A bit of a wasted opportunity there. KB isn't bad, MES sounds even more drunk than usual.

I haven't heard enough of Elastica's stuff to pass proper judgement, but it's great fun jumping around in a club to Stutter.

it is just the slits ..but in tune

Or Wire with female vocals...

Agree wit' the hawk - first LP's v good but she has had it too easy. Rich kid and all that - but she deserves sympathy for having had Daemon as a former lover.

And let me profess my shared love of MES and Raymond Douglas Davies - they dovetail nicely somehow. A mate put me onto the Kinks (thanks Frank!) trying to put me off the Fall, who he thought were just pure racket. I particularly like 'Muswell Hillbillies' and 'Preservation Act 1'.

Having heard Frenz Experiment before (the Kinks) Arthur, my first exposure to “Victoria” was the Fall. Which seems bizarre to me now. Anyway, if any of you young get-abouts like the Falls version & haven’t heard the Kinks – then away to the record store. The Kinks do a vastly superior version of their own tune. All together great album… Tho Ray Davies is a lot more nostalgic & whimsical than MES, they both share a peculiarly British contrariness & overall contempt that I’d think fellow Fall fans would like. My favorite Kinks albums go thus: 1. Village Green 2. Something Else 3. Arthur 4. Muswell Hillbillies 5. Face to Face.

Brilliant stuff. Definitely a wiser purchase than Elastica.

"God save tudor houses, antique tables and billiards"

'And God save the George Cross and all those who were awarded 'em' - just lovely...

O! and while I'm listening to Merle Haggard and not quite crying in my beer let me say that on the odd occasion 'Waterloo Sunset' can get me blubbing - Good Lord that is a beautiful, beautiful song...

i got into the kinks when i was about 15.........cos me mate was a mad kinks [10/10]fan.....he also had everything by the beatles [9/10] and the stones[7/10]....so anyway..it was a year or so after that i discovered the fall [i think there is only me cousin trevor who was into the fall from the beginning, he's about 6 years older than me though, so was more clued up on the fall]

my fave kinks record is shangrila...it is one of the few lyrics of any song by anybody that i can recite more than 20% of the lyrics

saw the kinks in manchester once...it was a gr8 gig :)

fave albums r arthur and village green and me golden hour of the kinks which has all me fave hits of theirs :)

i dont think there's a better songwriter than ray....
although today i will pass on his stuff

Wow! We all agree on this. The Kinks are awesome, much more interesting than the Stones and the Beatles. The usual line is that post Lola they lost 'it' but I bought Muswell Hillbillies a few months ago andf love it, even 'Have a Cuppa Tea'.

One of their saddest (and beautiful) songs is surely 'Yes Sir, No Sir, which should have been played on the radio non-stop during the hysterical build up to the war. Might have made people think about it more...

'Some Mother's Son' is the definitive RDD anti-war song, Grimester - and it's got more feeling than you could ever imagine Mr Crass - cripes! how trite was that 'Mother of 10(?) thousand Dead' CRAP... (this is a reference to an ancient and long dormant university common room debate...)

'Soap Opera' was (maybe) the last great Kinks lp, but by any measure RDD was pure genius. The only thing I don't like about him is the Arsenal...

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'Some Mother's Son' is the definitive RDD anti-war song, Grimester - and it's got more feeling than you could ever imagine Mr Crass - cripes! how trite was that 'Mother of 10(?) thousand Dead' CRAP... (this is a reference to an ancient and long dormant university common room debate...)

Yes, Richard - I agree. I mixed up the songs. I always lump those two together (common subject) but, yes, 'Some Mother's Son' is THE one. Brings tears to one's eyes. And the woeful way RDD sings it is perfect. The bit where he sings about two soldiers in a trench and one looks up to see the sun and dreams of days when he was young. Later, he is dead....

It is absolute perfection!

North up by 1 point! For Chrissake go North!!!

"The old Shinboner spirit is still alive and still very well..." says Tim Lane on the radio

And now we're 7 points ahead!!!!!

Go Northerners!! Go you mighty Roos! We are magnificent!!!!!!!

'Arthur' is a great little record... MES is a big fan of the Kinks. I was bowled over when they covered 'Victoria' - bit like the wife saying she likes the Fall and wants to give up her team to barrack for North too....

http://kinks.it.rit.edu/

Best Kinks website as far as I’m concerned. The interviews w/ R. Davies are great (despite there being huge gaps in time w/out interviews). He’s a fucking tyrant. You’ll notice he has this persecution mania & believes that everyone is out to destroy the Kinks. He also does a review of Revolver which is really brutal but funny.

"American tourists flock to see the village green.
They snap their photographs and say 'Gawd darn it,
Isn't it a pretty scene?' "

shangrila...[my fave lyrics]...[played it to me dad when i was about 15, he did not like the words at all :( ]

Now that you've found your paradise
This is your Kingdom to command
You can go outside and polish your car
Or sit by the fire in your Shangri-la
Here is your reward for working so hard
Gone are the lavatories in the back yard
Gone are the days when you dreamed of that car
You just want to sit in your Shangri-la

Put on your slippers and sit by the fire
You've reached your top and you just can't get any higher
You're in your place and you know where you are
In your Shangri-la
Sit back in your old rocking chair
You need not worry, you need not care
You can't go anywhere
Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la

The little man who gets the train
Got a mortgage hanging over his head
But he's too scared to complain
'Cos he's conditioned that way
Time goes by and he pays off his debts
Got a TV set and a radio
For seven shillings a week
Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la

And all the houses in the street have got a name
'Cos all the houses in the street they look the same
Same chimney pots, same little cars, same window panes
The neighbors call to tell you things that you should know
They say their lines, they drink their tea, and then they go
They tell your business in another Shangri-la
The gas bills and the water rates, and payments on the car
Too scared to think about how insecure you are
Life ain't so happy in your little Shangri-la
Shangri-la, Shangri-la la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la

Put on your slippers and sit by the fire
You've reached your top and you just can't get any higher
You're in your place and you know where you are
In your Shangri-la
Sit back in your old rocking chair
You need not worry, you need not care
You can't go anywhere
Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la, Shangri-la

your pop didn’t like the Kinks fallfandave? what did he think of the Fall. I had my father make a vhs copy of Perverted by Language (which btw, where the hell is my dvd amazon?) some time ago & he didn’t appreciate it much. In fact he seemed hesitant to even allow such a thing to be duplicated.

You mean tosay that there is no better Kinks related site than the Dave Davies one? http://www.davedavies.com/ Dave Davies is nuffin' but interesting!!! Be sure to check out the Spiritual Planet where Dave 'invites you to discuss all matters metaphysical and spiritual'!!!! Long live DD and RDD!

I remember reading a Kinks article in the 90s where DD talked about the earth being surrounded by a large 'mother craft', or something along those lines. Very Philip Dickesque I sem to remember... Dave Davies - long may you forge your own path and do not fall into mediocrity like your peers (P Mc etc)!!!!

That’s it Grimo! I’ve had it! just when I’m all smiles & aglow about the Kinks thread & about to agree w/ you that Dave Davies is great… you go & take a cheap shot at McCartney. Devilish, devious fiend – I damn you all & your McCartney bashing! Flaming Pie released in ’97 was a better album than any of his contemporaries, except possible Neil Young or Bob Dylan, released in the 90’s. Not to mention that McCartney obviously was a great influence on the Kinks (&, of course, R. Davies influenced Macca). No, I won’t accept this bias against Paul. Completely unfounded.

alright… now that I’ve had a glass of water & been able to catch my breath… Dave Davies did do a lot of great songs. My favorites: Death of A Clown, Sussanah’s Still Alive, Mindless Child of Motherhood, & Funny Face… D. Davies puts on a good live show as well.

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damn you all & your McCartney bashing! Flaming Pie released in ’97 was a better album than any of his contemporaries, except possible Neil Young or Bob Dylan, released in the 90’s.

hehehehehe!

I'll have to check out 'Flaming Pie' - download some tracks off a P2P and listen. There is no doubt P Mc was 'fab' in the early days but now, he's too smug and that petty changing off Lennon/McCartney to McCartney/Lennon was a sad move to me anyway.
. That really showed him to be a tad desperate and wanting to change history.

Still, I guess it's time for me to review my thoughts on the P Mc issue...

...But I'll probably get the unfinished George album before that. Covers the same topics as Dave Davies has done recently

And the mighty Quinn, Dylan's late 90s albums were a revelation weren't they. Let'send this thread in agreement! His last LP was top class too - he seems to be using the age related changes to his voice well. 'Poor Boy' is wonderful...

Yeah, the Kinks are special. It always bugs me a bit that they've got the tag of being a great singles band. Well, they were, but the albums were superb too! That run of "Face to Face", "Something Else", "Village Green", "Arthur" - even "Lola" - is the equal of most of their contemporaries. And from what I understand, they didn't have the financial backing of say the Beatles, and so had to record piecemeal under pressure of the studio clock.

Also, can someone tell me what Shaun Ryder (c.1990) is doing on the cover of "Village Green" (second from the left)?

Keg

Well i aint looked at the cover...but kinks haircuts was very much the fashion in the 90s i think.....dave davies sideburns i remember..anyway....i will look

but....i must say i find it sad how a lot of old timers do lose their spark....cos song writing aint all about writing the best lyrics...it is more about marrying words with a tune ....cos that is what reaches ppl best...and sometimes i think the oldies forget this and focus on the words...or maybe it is just limited vocal ability with advancing years...but of oldies...n i dont really like him loads...i do think neil young has done the best :applaud:

QUOTE (Grimo @ Jun 13 2003, 12:37 PM)

I'll have to check out 'Flaming Pie' - download some tracks off a P2P and listen.

that’s all I ask. Give Paul a chance.

I’d recommend Somedays & Calico Skies from “Flaming Pie.”

Dylans last two lps have been amazing. I really love "Floater" off Love & Theft & "Standin in the Doorway" from Time Out of Mind. The only artistic come back that amazes me more than those 2 Dylan albums is Beefhearts, when we resurfaced w/ Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller), Doc at the Radar Station, & Ice Cream for Crow. Wow... I can't help but hope that MES can lead the Fall into something similar. Maybe Country on the Click will start it off!

HOw did the elastica thread get turned into this?

dunno ...maybe there wasnt enough to stretch out about this elastica... :P ....
i agree about them late beefheart albums a lot...they r v good...better than reviews often rate em :)

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