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lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 10:16 AM (GMT)
hmm sometimes i ponder the question of gary glitter and what should be done about him.

i personally think that someone will do something quite nasty to him if they get a chance and i dont see this as being an althogether bad thing.

Fritter - August 23, 2008 10:27 AM (GMT)
I don't endorse lynch mobs, personally.

Rigsby - August 23, 2008 10:28 AM (GMT)
He's served his time. Now he needs to be kept away from kids and he needs treatment to help him realise that what he does is wrong. He is clearly a danger and clearly unwell.

And should anybody take it upon themselves to do something "quite nasty" to him I would hope they get thrown in the can for a while too. I can do without folk like that as well (and there's alot more of those roaming the land than kiddie fiddlers)

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 10:32 AM (GMT)
oh is that what they are called ?

well, in prison, they do something called "sugaring" which i believe is the application of a boiling hot water and sugar solution to a peodophiles face.

this not only hurts somewhat but also scars them for life.

this i believe is a bit more realistic to the crime of raping a child than some time spent in a cell reading books and watching television.

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 10:40 AM (GMT)
String him up. After disembowelling him, setting light to his favourite dog, and pissing on his sugared face.

You could also make him cut his own dick off.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 10:46 AM (GMT)
you see, i believe some distinction should be made between-

-someone who has photos.

-someone who has "fiddled".

-someone who has raped below the age of 16.

-someone who has raped below puberty.

for each of these crimes there should be a different punishment and progressively more severe.

and for raping below the age of puberty, there should be a very painful punishment.

after all, i believe you have effectively taken away many happy years of a childs life and put them thru enormous pain.

and this is an adult who has done this, with full consious choice. so yes, some kind of harm.

Fritter - August 23, 2008 10:47 AM (GMT)
Kill everybody, cover them in boiling sugar, then run over them with flaming tyres. Just in case.

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 10:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fritter @ Aug 23 2008, 10:47 PM)
Kill everybody, cover them in boiling sugar, then run over them with flaming tyres. Just in case.

Not before they've been made to cut their own dicks off, and their favourite pet has been set alight.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 10:49 AM (GMT)
:lol:

no, no. just for people who rape kids.

and not with the tyres either. i think sugaring is enough. it would hurt like billyo, for example the pain of being raped when your body is not yet adult, and it would mark them out for anybody who doesnt know what they are.

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 10:51 AM (GMT)
In fact if we a la Herod massacred all the innocents then we wouldn't 'ave anee troubil wiv filfy pedos.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 10:52 AM (GMT)
but i am not joking.

i dont think people who have some photos should be killed, or someone who has sex with a 15 year old should be killed.

but someone who rapes a pre-pubecesnt, should have something done other than prison. something painful.

Fritter - August 23, 2008 11:01 AM (GMT)
Sorry LC, but if this was a pub (which I often think of such places as this), I would be finishing my point slightly hurriedly and looking at my watch and muttering "Ooh, school night, better be off then". That whole "Prison's just a holiday" thing....don't take your freedom for granted. What you're basically endorsing is a return to lynch-mobism, and whilst the justice system is by no means perfect, it's better than the alternative. And would you like to administer the pain to Glitter yourself, and if so how would you do it?

Anyway...I'll be off for breakfast now.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 11:07 AM (GMT)
hmm.. im quite squeamish but i think i would cover him in some kind of bag and then hit him repeatedly with a baseball bat.

anyway it wouldnt be so much of a "return", as these things happen still.

didnt someone kill jeffery dahmer, someone who claimed to be the son of god ?

well i hate to say it but with jeffery dahmers record of killing people and then eating them (!!!) i think he got what he deserved.

im not talking about petty crimes like thieving. i mean where someone has caused massive harm to another person.

cryptomoralist - August 23, 2008 11:12 AM (GMT)
Lookout!
It's da Lynch Mob!
user posted image

:unsure:

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 11:14 AM (GMT)
hahahaha

Rigsby - August 23, 2008 11:19 AM (GMT)
At what stage do you think it would be a good idea to try and find out why Glitter does what he does and why he thinks it's ok and how you might help prevent him and future Gary Glitters from inflicting further unspeakably obscene acts on children?

Do you do this before or after you have had him sugared and baseball batted? Or aren't you bothered about this?

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 11:22 AM (GMT)
no, because i know why- he is sexually attracted to children.

now. just because he is sexually attracted to children doesnt *make* him go out and rape a child.

he *decides* to do this, based on his perception of the punishment he will recieve if he gets caught.

if he knows he might go to prison and read some books and watch a bit of tv for a while, he might decide that the gratification is worth it.

and if he knows beforehand that if he goes ahead, he is going to get a head full of boiling sugar, it might make him think twice.

rainmaster - August 23, 2008 11:31 AM (GMT)
He (and all the other paedos) should be chained to the cell wall, paddling in six inches of piss, with rats chewing at his ankles.

{after cutting off his own dick, of course!}

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 11:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (rainmaster @ Aug 23 2008, 11:31 PM)
He (and all the other paedos) should be chained to the cell wall, paddling in six inches of piss, with rats chewing at his ankles.

{after cutting off his own dick, of course!}

Yeah but what about his pets eh? EH?

Rigsby - August 23, 2008 11:35 AM (GMT)
Q. But why is he sexually attracted to children.

A. Because he is a filthy paedo.

Is that it?

He hasn't been convicted of child rape by the way. If he had he would have been shot by firing squad.

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 11:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cryptomoralist @ Aug 23 2008, 11:12 PM)
Lookout!
It's da Lynch Mob!
user posted image

:unsure:

:o

Audrey Wetherspoon - August 23, 2008 11:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 23 2008, 11:28 AM)
He's served his time. Now he needs to be kept away from kids and he needs treatment to help him realise that what he does is wrong. He is clearly a danger and clearly unwell.

And should anybody take it upon themselves to do something "quite nasty" to him I would hope they get thrown in the can for a while too. I can do without folk like that as well (and there's alot more of those roaming the land than kiddie fiddlers)

There's no evidence that treatment works. All the research points to the fact that once a child sex abuser is in such a state of denial that the threat of prison and of being a social pariah is no longer s deterrent there's no way back; they then remain in that state of denial.

As for there being lots of folk roaming around wanting to do "quite nasty" things to child sex abusers, I'm not sure. I suspect it's more talk and assumption. It's actually quite rare that disclosures of abuse happen contemporaneously to the actual abuse; plus most abuse happens between family members or those close to the family. And at the end of the day, event hose directly affected by abuse tend realise that it's not worth criminalising themselves. How many vengeful dad stories have you read lately?

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 11:40 AM (GMT)
no, he is sexually attracted to children in the same way that some people are attracted to animals or into leather or attracted by silk.

its a complicated process that usually happens in childhood, by which we gain our associations with sex.

yes we could attempt to change those associations, which would be ideal, but a strong deterent would also be useful i feel.

now, i didnt know that gary glitter had not been accused of raping a child.

i thought he had raped a 12 year old and an 11 year old.

if he hasnt raped a child, then no sugaring or being beaten by baseball bats.


Rigsby - August 23, 2008 11:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (lavendercat06 @ Aug 23 2008, 11:40 PM)
no, he is sexually attracted to children in the same way that some people are attracted to animals or into leather or attracted by silk.

its a complicated process that usually happens in childhood, by which we gain our associations with sex.

yes we could attempt to change those associations, which would be ideal, but a strong deterent would also be useful i feel.

now, i didnt know that gary glitter had not been accused of raping a child.

i thought he had raped a 12 year old and an 11 year old.

if he hasnt raped a child, then no sugaring or being beaten by baseball bats.

He was accused but not convicted due to lack of evidence apparently.

I think we should have him sugared anyway just in case. Maybe a murderer could sugar him and then, as a thank you, get a couple of years lopped off his sentence.

Yes that would be nice.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 11:44 AM (GMT)
if he has assaulted those children rather than raping them i think he should be made to watch some very disgusting films such as films of pigs being slaughtered or people with horrible diseases. he should watch them until he is physically sick, in the manner of clockwork orange.

not necessarily fed some sick making medicine, but he should have to watch horrible things for some time.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 11:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 23 2008, 11:44 PM)
I think we should have him sugared anyway just in case. Maybe a murderer could sugar him and then, as a thank you, get a couple of years lopped off his sentence.

Yes that would be nice.

you are not being serious.

i however am serious. i dont think he should be sugared if he has not raped a child.

i think he should be made to watch disgusting films of pigs being slaughtered.

Gaz - August 23, 2008 11:46 AM (GMT)
Get a gang of leather bears, ie big hairy homosexual men with a taste for bondage to gang rape the fucker. Then slit his throat. With a rusty knife.

Perhaps. Or maybe it's a bit harsh. Nope, he deserves it.

Ooops! I'm ment to be the forum Christian... :unsure:

rainmaster - August 23, 2008 11:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mr. Marshall @ Aug 23 2008, 11:35 PM)
QUOTE (rainmaster @ Aug 23 2008, 11:31 PM)
He (and all the other paedos) should be chained to the cell wall, paddling in six inches of piss, with rats chewing at his ankles.

{after cutting off his own dick, of course!}

Yeah but what about his pets eh? EH?

My mistake, :rolleyes:

Well, perhaps he could be strapped down across a table, and his largest pet, say a donkey, could do the business, and see how HE fucking likes it!

twinz2z - August 23, 2008 11:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 23 2008, 11:35 PM)
Q. But why is he sexually attracted to children.

A. Because he is a filthy paedo.

Is that it?

He hasn't been convicted of child rape by the way. If he had he would have been shot by firing squad.

He wasnt convicted of child-rape, either because the parent's sold the kid's to him,
or he was able to bribe his way to a lesser charge,
or the authoritie's were scared of the consequence's of executing a famous foreign pop-star. (and ruining a source of foreign income).
-------
Who's asking why this kind of thing is accepted/encouraged in these countrie's?
A different culture? Bullshit.
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By the way, I dont like the prison punishment thing, because the level this has reached in america, where the threat of homosexual Rape is all a part of the Detterent for even petty criminal's.
Even someone 'Non-Payment-Of-Fines' could end up raped; what a travesty of "No unnatural Punishment's"
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Gary Gitter---Peedo Register--No Travel--Address Given to neighbour's--Councelling paid for by glitter himself. (job for life, he aint gonna change now--too old).

Rigsby - August 23, 2008 11:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Audrey Wetherspoon @ Aug 23 2008, 11:39 PM)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 23 2008, 11:28 AM)
He's served his time. Now he needs to be kept away from kids and he needs treatment to help him realise that what he does is wrong. He is clearly a danger and clearly unwell.

And should anybody take it upon themselves to do something "quite nasty" to him I would hope they get thrown in the can for a while too. I can do without folk like that as well (and there's alot more of those roaming the land than kiddie fiddlers)

There's no evidence that treatment works. All the research points to the fact that once a child sex abuser is in such a state of denial that the threat of prison and of being a social pariah is no longer s deterrent there's no way back; they then remain in that state of denial.

As for there being lots of folk roaming around wanting to do "quite nasty" things to child sex abusers, I'm not sure. I suspect it's more talk and assumption. It's actually quite rare that disclosures of abuse happen contemporaneously to the actual abuse; plus most abuse happens between family members or those close to the family. And at the end of the day, event hose directly affected by abuse tend realise that it's not worth criminalising themselves. How many vengeful dad stories have you read lately?

Bollocks. What is this "all research" you speak of?

There are a variety of treatments, no "cure" as such, but treatments that can and do curb reoffending. And we might have a successful "cure" by now if it was a priority to treat as well as punish.

But you're even denying the existence of the mob mentality so I suspect this is pointless.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 11:54 AM (GMT)
but surely, the rape of someone like you say in america, is done as part of enjoyment for the prisoners themselves, rather than as punishment.

Audrey Wetherspoon - August 23, 2008 12:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 23 2008, 12:54 PM)

Bollocks. What is this "all research" you speak of?

There are a variety of treatments, no "cure" as such, but treatments that can and do curb reoffending. And we might have a successful "cure" by now if it was a priority to treat as well as punish.

But you're even denying the existence of the mob mentality so I suspect this is pointless.

Er, well there's no need to be quite so hostile, and I don't really have a 'point' to make as such, just that claiming there are roaming folk around is a bit sweeping, and you could argue plays right into the hands of the online sex offenders community which likes to think of itself as a persecuted minority.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 12:03 PM (GMT)
but of course it is a persecuted minority and long may it remain so.

snoweyuk - August 23, 2008 12:12 PM (GMT)
There is a certain place in New Mexico he might fit in well at.

Pop him on a plane and wave bye bye.....

bye-bye bye bye-bye bye bye.

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 12:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 23 2008, 11:54 PM)
QUOTE (Audrey Wetherspoon @ Aug 23 2008, 11:39 PM)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 23 2008, 11:28 AM)
He's served his time. Now he needs to be kept away from kids and he needs treatment to help him realise that what he does is wrong. He is clearly a danger and clearly unwell.

And should anybody take it upon themselves to do something "quite nasty" to him I would hope they get thrown in the can for a while too. I can do without folk like that as well (and there's alot more of those roaming the land than kiddie fiddlers)

There's no evidence that treatment works. All the research points to the fact that once a child sex abuser is in such a state of denial that the threat of prison and of being a social pariah is no longer s deterrent there's no way back; they then remain in that state of denial.

As for there being lots of folk roaming around wanting to do "quite nasty" things to child sex abusers, I'm not sure. I suspect it's more talk and assumption. It's actually quite rare that disclosures of abuse happen contemporaneously to the actual abuse; plus most abuse happens between family members or those close to the family. And at the end of the day, event hose directly affected by abuse tend realise that it's not worth criminalising themselves. How many vengeful dad stories have you read lately?

Bollocks. What is this "all research" you speak of?

There are a variety of treatments, no "cure" as such, but treatments that can and do curb reoffending. And we might have a successful "cure" by now if it was a priority to treat as well as punish.

But you're even denying the existence of the mob mentality so I suspect this is pointless.

Should it be treated as a mental illness? Then they could be sectioned...after their cocks have been chopped off and they've been raped by El Burro, of course.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 12:14 PM (GMT)
good point.

however i dont think people should let go of the idea that the peodophile has a CHOICE about whether to act on these impulses.

Rigsby - August 23, 2008 12:14 PM (GMT)
Sorry if I appeared hostile. But there is treatment and development of the effectiveness of treatment is surely the way forward.

In the meantime though let's stick to the baseball bats. It'd be a way of keeing fit eh?

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 12:15 PM (GMT)
If it is a mental illness then there is little element of choice.

lavendercat06 - August 23, 2008 12:16 PM (GMT)
what is the treatment ?

the way i am thinking is of some type of clockwork orange style treatment so that the criminal becomes sickened by his own thoughts in that area.

what else is there ?

Mr. Marshall - August 23, 2008 12:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rigsby @ Aug 24 2008, 12:14 AM)
Sorry if I appeared hostile. But there is treatment and development of the effectiveness of treatment is surely the way forward.

In the meantime though let's stick to the baseball bats. It'd be a way of keeing fit eh?

:lol:

Maybe we could use some of those disused sports grounds. A spectator sport? With running commentary?




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