fave lyrics by lou r....my red joystick, my red joystick, all i'm askin u to leave me is [hmmmm how can i make this rhyme] ....ah!.......all i'm askin u to leave me is my red joystick... n i love that album to bits...n everythin rhymes too....'new sensations' [not a gr8 title for the album really though] i would not have bought it with this title.but i did by accident..but it is me fave lou album... :applaud:

hmm, with all respect idiotjoy.. not really, i think lou reed is a pompous ass and i wish he'd just kinda disappear... ditto his wife l. anderson... i can't see that mark is in any danger of becoming a fat, chai-drinking manhattanite with a PR person running around behind him... at least i hope not. i like to think that MES still hasn't made enough money to be corrupted by it, whereas lou reed's (once remarkable) class consciousness seems to have evaporated now that he is getting paid.. at any rate, his musical abilities have.

besides, isn't there a version of 'a past gone made' where MES warns us to cut his throat with a garden knife if he ever ends up like lou reed?

er, 'past gone mad,' rather

Sorry, I tend to post before having my coffee, mustn't do that...

Too cranky, tend to use the phrase "worst ever!!!!!" too much...

Better now.

Lou Reed is a genius who should never be forgotten.

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can't see that mark is in any danger of becoming a fat, chai-drinking manhattanite with a PR person running around behind him... at least i hope not. i like to think that MES still hasn't made enough money to be corrupted by it, whereas lou reed's (once remarkable) class consciousness seems to have evaporated now that he is getting paid.. at any rate, his musical abilities have. besides, isn't there a version of 'a past gone made' where MES warns us to cut his throat with a garden knife if he ever ends up like lou reed?

Coffee or not, it's a fair assessment of Lou here. He shouldn't be forgotten but that behaviour is pretty much out of order.

I'd like to hear that Past Gone Mad version that mentions Lou. I always thought he used Bono and Ian McShane as targets... I suppose Lou could fit into this category...

Heer's a corker of an interview

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/st...,958770,00.html

Will MES be like this at 61 (hoping he makes that landmark). It' funny imagining him taking up the likes of tai chi!

Anyway, cruel as Lou is, aren't you happy he is this way?

BBC are just after showing a TOTP2 Bowie special with DB linking the songs. Anyway, he recounted this one anecdote about finally getting to see his heroes the Velvet Undergound play in New York (in the ealry 70's I'm guessing). After gig goes to stage door and gets Lou Reed to come out and spends 15 minutes chatting with him. Goes back to his hotel still on a high about this and tells someone there who informs him that Lou Reed left the band a year previously. DB surmises that he had indeed mistaken Doug Yule for Lou Reed, presumably a wind up by the band. Did MES hear this one before or is it another example of pre-cog powers??

ha, i always thought it was "Couldn't tell Lou reed from the mule".
And i know who Doug Yule is.....oops

I read Please Kill Me and they had a whole section about Bowie going to New York and copying all the punkers there...no mention of that. I think it might be pre-cog powers...

When I first heard it, I thought it was "Couldn't tell Lou Reed from the view".

I quite liked that and was almost disappointed when I discovered the TRUTH.

I always thought it was "Couldn't tell Lou Reed from The Cure". I prefer the official version though.

Just to add to the list ....this line has probably more misheard alternatives than any other....


me mate thought [no it wasnt me ^_^ i always knew the line since i was always a big fan of vu]

'couldnt tell lou reed from the who' [he meant the band 'the who' of course but the 'who' is kind of how a lot of ppl hear this line it would seem]

when I first heard Who Loves The Sun I thought the vocal was very different from his (Lou's) usual style, so I'm guilty... hit me with those shoulder pads...

another one from below the water table...

lou reed eh? Good or bad?

I like Lou.

Still like his music too.

(brevity is good, long live the spirit of fallchase :D )

hes not dead...

You know what I meant... :D

He only knows three chords - he says..... :unsure:

I dont want to play football for the coach..

My friend George & The gun

I like lou me

imho lou reed has written some great songs he gets a bit up himself sometimes probably surrounded by sycophants.

I still love Lou. I don't care that he's a mean spirited old curmudgeon these days. His music has enough warmth, compassion and humanity for me. I don't need to relate to him in interviews, I relate to him through his songs.
He once said that he wrote his songs to stop people feeling alone, that it was important that people didn't feel alone. Thats truly compassionate.
I don't listen to his new stuff (I leave that to my Dad) but Velvets 3rd album/ Steet Hassle/ Coney Island Baby all the time...in fact all the stuff up to Blue Mask. Even Growing Up In Public is good - '' a son thats cursed with a haridan mother or a weak simpering father at best/ is raised to play out the timeless classical motives of filial love and incest...''

Lou's a genius and genius's are allowed massive MASSIVE slack. The songs are what matters - who's gonna remember Lou's interviews in 50 years time?

But when does that slack run out? Can't be too soon for me. Bert Zuttbap put it perfectly (nice Billy Chariot avatar, by the way, 'how yer diddling? sod yer then'). I look on Lou Reed as one of the less interesting and talented members of VU - John Cale is surely more deserving of the plaudits that Reed picks up. And his solo output is nowhere near as affecting as Mo Tucker's fantastic 'I Spent A Week There The Other Night' LP.

In my ever-so humble, naturally.

Blimey, where do I start?
Cale is just as old, mean and grumpy as Lou. And he takes himself even more seriously if thats possible.
If you think that Cale's output is better than Lou's, fair enough but there's no comparable depth in it for me and as for his '80s stuff....yeech!
Moe's a nice person and everybody loves her but is she really more talented and 'interesting' than Lou? Cuz she worked in a Walmart and raised a family. Oh well, if you say so. Ditto Sterling who was a nice guy, oh yeah and a Prof. of English, big deal.
The slack will never run out on Lou. He could get himself into a fine scrape a la Jackson and it wouldn't bother me one iota. The back catalogue speaks for itself.
Everybody's back catalogue has it creaky moments but the Velvets albums are untouchable and thats mainly down to Lou despite what you revisionists say.

Christ, if the only people allowed to be decent artists or musicians or whatever were humble souls with a good word for everyone, we'd be living in a cultural wasteland.

Dan

yeah look at elton john - what a bitch but you couldn't fault his music :P

I'm not saying a streak of evil *automatically* makes you the next Leonardo Da Vinci.

Dan

:rolleyes: i know i know, just poking fun. i would actually agree with your point. tempermentalness comes with creative types. theres that qoute about genius' being the hardest to work with because they insist on everything being perfect. nice people don't challenge

Hmm if Lou only knows 3 chords then someone else must be playing all that rhythm guitar hes credited with on the VU lps...

I've bitched about his solo stuff on countless occasions. Have been burned many times when thinking this one is gonna be the return to form (eg, Live in Italy, which cost me a fortune then).

Why can't he make a record that's as good as a Velvets record!?

Of the later ones, I truly enjoy Blue Mask, Ecstasy, and lately Twilight (check Riptide).

Buy them used, and check for bits of the old Velvets magic. Eventually you do find it.

That Guardian article outlines the fact that journalists want stories of debauchery and personal information on “iconic figures” because they’re not really all that interested in the music, and unable to discuss it. This is why that Libertines guy is all over the NME and Q. Lou Reed’s obsession with recording technology and ideas about music are very interesting to me but all you tend to get from interviewers is Warhol / heroin / Bowie. Same way that the press version of MES = cantankerous drunk by and large.

I met Japanese improv saxophonist Masayoshi Urabe a few years ago and asked him what kind of music he listened to. “Rock and roll. Street Hassle”. I asked him if he had heard Metal Machine Music and he said he hadn’t and reiterated his love for Street Hassle. A friend of mine with whom Urabe had been staying with the previous night later told me that Urabe had found that album in his record collection and kept my friend awake half the night singing along to it.

Unfortunately as most of the technically minded have moved on and I'm a bit out of step, 'normal' 'remasters' are probably a bit old hat now for some. What no SACD, DVD-A or DVD surround mix??? :rolleyes: :o
:D

I saw a recent reissue of Lou's Live In Italy on a website (101cd I think), but with no information as to whether it was a straight reissue.

I am and have long been cynical about the whole 'remastering' game, however in this case it's an important point.

Live In Italy was a pretty poor LP and CD always...FM, video and audience recordings of Lou's gigs around that time (1984) were always better.

*However*...on the NYC Man set, Lou put a couple of tracks from this album, and in particular, Kill Your Sons was a revelation, having been completely remixed (indeed, Lou said 'we put it right' or words to that effect in his liner notes).

Lou's website seems to have disappeared - at least it has using my crappy pc, on which most (90-95% or so) of sites work fine - so can't check up on this there. Maybe Lou shut the site down because somebody dared to criticise him once. :D

Tried other websites, either Live In Italy is not listed, or at least nothing pertaining to a new version, or there is no hint as to whether the new version is remixed or remastered.

I do read most of the decent music magazines, checking through the review sections, but some releases do slip out unreviewed, even for major artists, sometimes.

Aside from Live In Italy...Lou Reed Live I'm curious about too.

Unfortunately Live was not combined with Rock and Rock Animal on the most recent CD release of the latter. R and R Animals' release was an event of sorts as it had two bonus tracks and a 'remaster'. I was quite happy with the sound of the original but the bonus tracks were welcome.

Has Lou Reed Live been reissued and changed in any way then?

I did see what seemed to be a reissue, on Amazon's site, with some sort of cellophane and stickers overlay proclaiming it was in an 'Extended Versions' series.

However, there was no hint elsewhere as to whether longer versions of the tracks were used, and no mention of bonus tracks.

So any news there, Lou fans?

Any help much appreciated. :)

I leave for five mins and you start a thread on me ;)

I leave the forum alone for a few days, start a new thread, and it gets merged, losing emphasis on my question... :angry: :rolleyes:

Life is hard.

I think after Magaic and Loss, Lou should've called it quits. He's the only great artist I can think of who has such a spotty discography. I mean, I LOVE the Velvet Underground, and always will, but I just don't like his solo work that much ... I hate Transformer, sorry to all those who love it, but like his first solo album, Berlin, The Blue Mask, New York, Songs for Drella, and MAgic & Loss. I just think he sucks. Sorry. He's written some of the greatest songs of all time, now he's just some fucking old chai-drinking hipster dumbass! Sry. Again, this is just my opinion.

... and that interview was hilarious! :lol:

Maybe someone helpful might know of a Lou forum or a forum where Lou is appreciated where I might get an answer to my questions? :unsure:

I'd be very grateful. :)

Stranger - I missed your question, so I'll help you out now (If I can)

The official live albums besides Live in Italy/ In Concert of Lou Reed are

American Poet - One of the few Lou things missing from my collection... Shame, as I've been told it's a corker with Reed showcasing matirial from the as yet unrealesed Transformer as well as a clutch of (I'm told) well performed Velvet tracks.

Rock and Roll Animal - Not a fave, though Reed fans seem to lap this up. Might be worth the price of admistion on the strengh of White Light/White Heat. Maybe.

Take No Prisoners - Tell me, do you like MES' speed fueled chit chat? You'll love this. Lou takes the piss out of the fans a bit here, but to great affect. He also says he doesn't like performing a track before going into a very long take of it... Curmudgeonly old git :lol:

Animal Serenade - A greatest hits set. I like it, but then I like the way his voice sounds these days. Antony from Antony and the Johnsons does a wonderfull take of Candy Says - Haunting - and provides backing vocals throughout.

As for bootlegs, well, I don't have any. :(

Fuck, I read your question wrong! :lol:
I saw the "I'm interested in Lou Reed live" and got mixed up.... Bugger

Gaz looking at your avatar I reckon Hugh Laurie could play Loopy Lou in the movie! Does a fairly decent American accent as well so I’m told.