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2G+2 / Are You Are Missing Winner / Bend Sinister / Cerebral Caustic / Code: Selfish / Dragnet / Extricate / Fall Heads Roll / The Frenz Experiment / Grotesque (After The Gramme) / Hex Enduction Hour / I Am Kurious Oranj / Imperial Wax Solvent / The Infotainment Scan / Interim / Levitate / The Light User Syndrome / Live At The Witch Trials / The Marshall Suite / Middle Class Revolt / Perverted By Language / The Post Nearly Man / The Real New Fall LP (Formerly ‘Country On The Click’) / Reformation Post-TLC / Room To Live / Seminal Live / Shift-Work / Slates / This Nation’s Saving Grace / Totale’s Turns / The Twenty-Seven Points / The Unutterable / The Wonderful & Frightening World Of The Fall / Von Südenfed's Tromatic Reflexxions

on the tape version it has a version of bremen nacht which i'm rather partial to.... starts with a gr8 noise... i like hearing this whilst driving for some reason.... is that the same or diff to the cd (i don't have the cd.... & can't remember if the track is called last nacht on the tape or not)

That's the same as the CD's Last Nacht.

I have voted Dog is Life/Jerusalem.

that'll do me then.... tho the dog is life rant rap is a v v v close second

Martin:

Most citadel dog-eye mirror (as per Lyrics Parade)?

or

Mutt citadel dog-eye mirror (as per how I hear it)?

Not at home in this moment, so can't say.

we await the pronouncement with, err, baited breath..... :confused:

wprt

only one for Van Plague???

dog/jerusalem-rockin fuckin roll and great funny story as usual about people not tekin responsibility for emselves

I like bad news girl too-great 3 parter esp the bass line all melancholy like fractured vocals thru loud hailer or something and then goes POP

like KO too and Plague-father says get back in the closet son-excellent

hell i love it all-but there is angst among longterm fall fans about this??!!

Don't really like Kurious Oranj much, but plumped for Big Prinz, cos of Shanley's one-note bassline menace. Great stuff.

A lot of people seem to dislike this album, but I reckon it's a great one. You get reggae, rap, acid house, garage pop, punk, weird funk, William Blake and a history lesson thrown in. What's there not to enjoy?

Bricks.

Still, I don't mind this LP, & I voted for Cab, fact fans.

Van Plague, easy.

Rest of LP is good though I find the title track a bit irritating these days.

But if anything, Brix is on this less than the previous 3 studio LPs... OK, she yelps out Overture From 'I Am Curious, Orange', but there's no L.A./Dktr.Faustus star turn moment...

Still kurious about this...

I'm with you Stephen. Solidarity, Brother!

I was floored both when I first bought Kurious Oranj and had the same reaction to Seminal Live. I got them both right when they were released, as I had been doing for quite a few years. I was not disappointed with them and I still believe they are swell. Like you say, they go all over the map for Oranj and it's still pure Fall.

It has nothing to do with being blinded by fandom, as the Fall do have songs and albums I am not greatly fond of. Oranj and Seminal are not my favorite Fall albums by a stretch, but they helped get me through difficult times in the mid-late 80s.

On top of that, what other bands who had been around as long released ANYTHING of worth in the 1980s really? Does anybody remember the satanically awful, discofied duet of Bowie and Jagger doing "Dancing in the Streets"?

:sick:

so... New Big Prinz is popular... and Big New Priest is not... :huh: only joking...
I love this album, one of the first I got, except the annoying Cab It Up...

Good to see this album finally get some recognition. I'd say it's a good starting point for the non-fan, too...

Always had a soft spot for 'Wrong Place, Right Time'. I intensely liked Kurious Oranj when it came out...it is a brilliant album. I was actually shocked to find that '50,000 Fall Fans...' didn't have any songs from it. Then again, I was also relieved since it had other songs on it that I hadn't worn out -- especially earlier Brix stuff that I never really got into before (like C.R.E.E.P.)

I don't really love anything on Kurious Oranji, including the song I picked, Cab it up. But at least it doesn't bore me like most of the album.

Totally agree with this, I love this album. One of my strongest Fall memories is hearing the album being played in my small town corporate record store, circa 1988. That weekend I had heard the Fall for the first time, on 120 Minutes ("Victoria"). So this strange music was playing and I was pretty sure it was the same band. I hung around the store just to hear the whole thing. Didn't buy it for many months though. The thing is, I find that it is impossible to recapture the strangeness of the sound of the Fall: pretty quickly you get used to it. Reminds me of the experience of studying Russian: for the first few weeks the letters look so odd, but pretty quickly you find you're reading them easily and it's hard to recall what it was like to look at them 'cold.'

Another Kurious Oranj experience: once, I was in the French Quarter, New Orleans, trying to re-connect with an old high school buddy I hadn't seen in years. It just wasn't working out. I was counting the hours, eager to get away. Walking the narrow streets, passing nunerous bars with live bands or jukeboxes, I passed one almost empty place blaring out "Big New Prinz." Made me happy and fortified me for the tedious hours to come.

Andy

Dunno how anyone could find this LP boring. Try listening again.

That is the best description I've read in ages. :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: It really sums up why all my friends hate The Fall when they hear them. And it also explains why I can never understand how they could possibly hate them.

Yep, G-O-B, Van Plague stands head and shoulders above the rest. Almost better than anything on "Frenz" as well, apart from Bremen Nacht

Wrong Place, Right Time

I listened to this album today for the first time in about three years and really, really enjoyed it :D

The only duff spot is the title track and I don't think they've ever done many things better than 'Van Plague'.

new big prinz is very danceable, and its awesome, and my mom likes it. I like when they say he is not fucking appreicated when they do it live.

IT WAS THE FAULT, OF THE GOVERNMENT! Now why didn't Billy Blake put that killer line in the original?

it is a seriously underrated album. i think people failed to embrace it because of dodgy opera ballet musical thing and also hypey, gimmicky tie-ins. i am the proud owner of a "jerusalem" single that for some reason came in a box with a postcard. i hope it was knowing irony that put a track about shabby gimmicks ("win fall cd etc") within all of that.

anyway best tracks are van plague and yes o yes. and that whole rant about dogs.

also the big new prinz video accessible on the fall video archive shows them in late 80s pomp. very clever the way he combined core manc bloke musicians with brix and marcia. cool incongruity.

Yes. Yes, it is. As are most Fall albums. Except for the people in the know like the good folks here.

There's actually nothing here on Oranj that I don't like. Frenz Experiment= also kick, kick ass....

"They rode over peasants like you,
And their horses loved them too"

I mean, cmon, how can you not love it?

Right on.

I love the title track too. It reminds me loosely of a reggaefied version of My New House in a way. I almost expect MES to start toasting. I'd give a finger to hear that.

Listening to some live stuff which includes songs from this album...right now, Yes O Yes...superb is the only way I can put it. I think this is The Fall album which most diverted from the norm at the time and which has most successfully transcended the years. The tunes in themselves are catchy, lasting and even evocative at times. The band is tight and the singer, whoever he is, on top shouting/singing form.

i really need to get I'm as pure as oranj

new big prinz

are the extra trax - i'm becoming a teenager - on the cd any good ?

Gone for "Yes O Yes" - that hypnotic bass and clockwork-drumming just doing it.
Followed by "Dog Is Life/Jerusalem" and "Bad News Girl."

yes o yes or van plague. it's a good album

on reflection

wrong place right time