VISUAL FALL... (The Fall online forum)

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Fall Product -

Album/Single sleeves (incl. inner-sleeves, etc):

Videos (promo, &c)

Tour Posters (chronological)

Backdrops (chronological)

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Artist's Name -

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Le Gras, Pascal - photo of Le Gras ï¿½ Myspace page ï¿½ Paintwork Exhibition works ï¿½ PLG video presentation, Fine Arts Cinema, Berkeley, 22/12/03 ï¿½ "Light" + recent works (Jan 09) ï¿½ pics of small exhibition in Normandy ï¿½ "Just As You Are" ï¿½ "Wheelchaire" ï¿½ covers for Damocles ï¿½ covers for MES, Ed Blaney project ï¿½ Infotainment ad ï¿½ various paintings ï¿½ The Fall gig backdrop + Smith & Blaney gig backdrop ï¿½ Jazz Butcher covers ï¿½ videos: 'Blindness' / Dream Dream Machine Forever / 'The Fall, Middle Class Revolt' - vid to City Dweller / 'henry cow (total respect 1)' / 'I'm In Deep' / 'Indian War Whoop' / the light user syndrome (short version) / Lilith / Masquerade / Ouh Ouh Fait Le Vent / 'Reminiscence (to Harry Smith) - Part one: La Danseuse' / Tetatutete / 'Two Librans' ï¿½ sleeves: '15 Ways' / '2G + 2' / 'Behind The Counter' / 'Cerebral Caustic' / 'The Chiselers' / 'Code:Selfish' / 'Ed's Babe' / 'F-'oldin' Money' / 'Free Range' / 'Infotainment Scan' / 'Interim' / 'Live From The Vaults' / 'Live From The Vaults' (the proper LA cover scan) / 'The Marshall Suite' / 'Middle Class Revolt' / 'The Post Nearly Man' / 'Powder Keg' / 'Shiftwork' / 'Touch Sensitive' / 'The Unutterable' / 'Why Are People Grudgeful?' + Unreleased Fall covers
Levy, Phillippe
Lewis, Jeffrey
Lewis, Wyndham
Liddell, Peter
Luff, David
Luxemburg, Rut Blees
Luz (Renald Luzier) / more
Maddock, Robin
McCay, Winsor
McPherson, Tara (US Tour poster)
Miller, Frank
Milosevich, Karla
Morrison, Grant
Mound, Simon (6x7 foot MES portrait outside The Northern pub)
Muller, Dave
Nash, Chris
Nash, Peter (Striker)
Odde, Knud ï¿½ Paintwork Exhibition work ï¿½ paintings of MES + Lino print for special Smith & Blaney gig
Palumbo, Robert / 'Paintwork' #2
Panter, Gary
Parnell, Marcus - 'The Real New Fall LP (Formerly 'Country On The Click')' / '(We Wish You) A Protein Christmas'
Pasidi, Antigoni
Pearce, Bob
Pollard, Michael - website ï¿½ 'This Nation's Saving Grace' / + full-page spread
Pouncey, Edwin (see: Savage Pencil)
Prior, Tina
"Resist Imposters"
Rhianna (HPAFP) - "Sussex Morning"
Rhodes, Graham / his site (outside link)
Richardson, Harley ï¿½ + MES painting
Riley, Tim
Ruge, Katja
Adie Russell - Fall Heads Roll artwork / TRNFLP artwork / I Can Hear the Grass Grow artwork
Russell, Jan
Rutchi, Pierre
Ryzman, Adam (Bing Films)
Sarnoff, Arthur 'The Hustler'
Savage Pencil (Edwin Pouncey) / 1986 North American tour t-shirt ï¿½ various (non-Fall) covers / interview / Picture of MES from Mojo review of RPTLC
Schneider, Prof. Andreas
Schofield, Marcia
Schulz, Charles M.
Shaw, George/+ MES thoughts on
Smith, Bob and Roberta
Smith, Brix E.
Smith, Harry Everett
Smith, James
Smith, Mark E. (cartoon by) / self-portrait / Ersatz GB cover
Smith, Suzanne - Paintwork Exhibition works ï¿½ sleeves: 'Fiery Jack' / 'Grotesque' + Original "Grotesque" painting, discovery/sale of / 'Hey Luciani!' / 'Hit The North' / 'How I Wrote Elastic Man' / 'There's A Ghost In My House' (+ advert)
Smyth, Rupert
Sniper, Safi (Assaf Etiel) + interview in "Wheel Me Out" / at "Art of Two Germanys/Cold War Cultures at the LACMA / Knitting Factory video / Tri-Meh
Spiegle, Dan
Spike Press (US gig poster)
Stark, Frances
Sternberg, Harry
Sutcliffe, Stephen / 'Spectre vs. Rector' (2008)
Sutton, Tom (I... Vampire)
Teets, Edward
"ThirtyTwo"
Thomson, Laurence
Tintoretto
Turner, Brian (US gig poster)
Velazquez
Vermilion Sands ï¿½ non-Fall covers
Waller, Mark Aerial / interview
Ward, Jamie (US gig poster)
Warhol, Andy
West, Danny (US gig poster)
Whitehead, Malcolm
Will, Elaine / Frenz painting / vII Lyrics book
Williams, Darryl
Wilson, Paul + promotional work for Paintwork#2 / "leeds tenancy" video
Wilson, Steven (New Yorker)
Wright, Stephen
Wriothesley, John (aka John Godbert/Herb Diamante)
Wyn Evans, Cerith
Yeowell, Steve
Zumfelde, Florian + 2nd tour poster

Photos (various) -

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Various other Fall -

Misc Entries -

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Interesting stuff from anonyarena:

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QUOTE (Rosa Dartle @ Dec 5 2005, 06:49 PM)

On the whole, great artwork over the years. Honors to: "Totale's Turns," "Hex," "Nation's," "Kurious Oranj," "Shift-Work" (and its sequels,) "Real New Fall LP (UK)," "Interim," "Fall Heads Roll (UK)." Now let's hear from somebody who likes those covers least.

"Well, of these I don't care for Interim.

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To me it looks like a flagrant rip-off of Keith Haring...

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And even the originator of this sort of thing, Keith Haring himself, is not very compelling to me, although that maybe because the stuff is so dated, representing a very specific time and place, mid-to late 1980s/early 90s gay New York hip-hop culture....and I wonder...what is the purpose of evoking that sort of thing for a Fall release?"

Never heard of Haring before. I don't care for this cover either.

It's by Pascal Le Gras 'Rourke Blues'.

On edit: I was far too harsh on this. It's a great cover.
I think the comparison to Haring is fascinating, but Le Gras' style is much less figurative. The essence of his style seems to me to be the suggestion of a figure or a face, when in fact there is nothing of the kind there. A good example is the 'Blindness' grids, where every shape (which are wildly varied in some cases) immediately suggests a face or a figure.
It's almost like tribal art...very basic and primal.
Haring seems decorative and conventional in comparison.
There's definitely an influence there though, surely?

I love this photo of MES. Red socks and he still looks cool!

I'd love to know what book that is.

QUOTE (Village Genius @ Dec 6 2005, 05:53 AM)

:devil: Inside the the cover of Bend Sinister is an illustration of a Mark e Smith-like character drawn in a style reminiscent of Aubrey Beardsley. This is actually an illustration from a copy of Faust by Goethe published in the 1920's where Faust is being dragged down to hell by the devil. It is by the Irish artist Harry Clarke and is featured in a recent award-winning documentary on his life and work made by Camel Productions called 'Harry Clarke - Darkness in Light'. :devil:

That's a cut-out of the image on top of the book. I wonder if that's the same book???

Here's a full-size image:

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For anyone who likes this, check out this site:
http://www.grandmasgraphics.com/clarke4.htm
I think his work is amazing.

Aleady mentioned - the obvious pre-cursor of his style being the great Aubrey Beardsley:

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Beardsley's illustration of Oscar Wilde's 'Salome'

QUOTE (Buy Kurious! @ Oct 19 2007, 11:40 PM)

I think his work is amazing.

Me too.

He did some beuatiful stained glass church work. Nearest church to me in Dublin had one of his windows and I'd regularly sit in front of it for an hour or two. His organic and floral patterned work was a big influence on late 60s west coast psych poster art I believe.

Recently purchased some fab prints of some of his Poe illustrations and can recommend this book for anyone interested...

The Life and Work of Harry Clarke by Nicola Gordon Bowe

ISBN 071652452x

Apologies for going slightly off topic!

QUOTE (The Green Man @ Oct 19 2007, 01:28 PM)

Nearest church to me in Dublin had one of his windows and I'd regularly sit in front of it for an hour or two.

Which church is that? Not familiar with him but always loved that drawing on the BS sleeve and fascinated by the stuff on that link.

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QUOTE (The Green Man @ Oct 19 2007, 01:28 PM)

Nearest church to me in Dublin had one of his windows and I'd regularly sit in front of it for an hour or two.

Which church is that? Not familiar with him but always loved that drawing on the BS sleeve and fascinated by the stuff on that link.

It's St Peter's in Phibsboro...just on the NCR. Couple of good boozers nearby for post window gazing refreshment :)

QUOTE (The Green Man @ Oct 20 2007, 12:28 AM)

Apologies for going slightly off topic!

No need to apologise, that's just the sort of stuff I was looking for, info on artworks and artists associated with The Fall.

Thanks for the info on the book. The cheapest I can find it is £45!, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. Apparently, he died young of consumption. I'd love to see some of the late 60s west coast psych poster art that was influenced by him.

An example of his stained-glass work: user posted image

Suzanne Smith covers:

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All picures © Suzanne Smith

An interesting thing about the 'Hit The North' cover is the small red circle with a white rectangle in the centre (right by the "part 2" of the title), which is identical to the motif used by Pascal Le Gras (dollar bill on red circular table - no entry sign) on The Marshall Suite era covers.

Does anyone know if she did any other artwork for the group?

I couldnt find anything on Suzanne Smith, but hit a lucky (fiery) Jackpot with this
Claus Castenskiold Site. Perverted by Language. cover.
http://www.clauscastenskiold.com/
[Go to the "Gallery" and click "Commercial" for the Fall covers.]

QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 20 2007, 06:04 AM)

I couldnt find anything on Suzanne Smith, but hit a lucky (fiery) Jackpot with this
Claus Castenskiold Site. Perverted by Language. cover.
http://www.clauscastenskiold.com/
[Go to the "Gallery" and click "Commercial" for the Fall covers.]

Excellent stuff. I really like his covers, but it's difficult to keep looking at his work, because it's impossible for your eyes to rest anywhere, they just keep moving from one part of the picture to another! :wacko:

By Tina Prior, who I can find nothing about apart from this (a post by QTarquin in reference to the 'Shift-Work and Holidays' VHS, where MES is, apparently, in a boat with some 'gypsy girls'):

QUOTE (QTarquin @ Nov 26 2006, 08:10 AM)

One of the "gypsy girls" is in fact Saffron Prior Mark's second wife, daughter of Tina Prior who designed the Dragnet cover and who gave me Mark's old typewriter.

Edit: An update on this, from the News page (07/10/08) -- re: Dave Simpson's book The Fallen:

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A message from Saffron Prior re: the part in The Fallen that says she sold Mark's typewriter on the internet.

Can you please make it clear on your website that I did not sell Mark's typewriter on the internet. I know you did not write the article, but I'm getting fed up of being mis-represented, as I never made any money out of The Fall, in fact Mark left me with nothing but a very large debt to pay off. The truth is there were two typewriters in our house, one I inherited when my grandad died and one was given to Mark by Dave Luff, but Mark used my grandad's to do most of his typing. After our split Mark arrived at my house in a rage and dumped his typewriter (not my grandad's, which I would have preferred) with my housemate.

Having lugged it around with me through many house moves I became sick of the sight of it. So I offered it up on your website to any Fall fan who was willing to collect it. I gave it away for free to someone who would treasure it. And, as far as I know, Mark still has my grandad's typerwriter and I only hope he is taking good care of it.

Thanks to twinz2z, I hadn't realised this was a play on the yin and yang symbol.
I think it's the darkest album cover. MES said the album title means "to catch people", to bring them (fans) into the fold, like a police dragnet, but the butterfly that's been caught in the web isn't in for a pleasant experience!

I had intended to write some more about each of these covers but I can't think of anything! :lol: :ohdear:

QUOTE (Buy Kurious! @ Oct 20 2007, 04:50 AM)

Thanks for the info on the book. The cheapest I can find it is £45!, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. Apparently, he died young of consumption. I'd love to see some of the late 60s west coast psych poster art that was influenced by him.

Yes the book is quite pricey :(

I can't find any of his more floral work on the net and my scanner is on the blink at the mo. Once I have it sorted I'll scan an image from the aforementioned book and you'll see clear influence in some of that 60s gear (or perhaps the inspiration was coming from the same Japanese tradition?)

Perhaps that Butterfly isnt caught?, it might just be flying past. Maybe Davy B, or somebody with artistic skills could do a version that moves its wings a bit.
(I will return to edit this when ive got another link)
more to come,http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=brc_PqJD2fk

QUOTE (Buy Kurious! @ Oct 19 2007, 07:26 PM)

I think it's the darkest album cover. MES said the album title means "to catch people", to bring them (fans) into the fold, like a police dragnet, but the butterfly that's been caught in the web isn't in for a pleasant experience!

I get some very funny looks from people when I wear my Dragnet T shirt

:lol:

QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 20 2007, 06:51 AM)

Perhaps that Butterfly isnt caught?, it might just be flying past.

I hadn't thought of that. The yin and yang thing makes perfect sense now that I've been looking at it though. It's like, Good and Evil, light and dark, black and white - you can't have one without the other.

Like the inevitability of Greek Tragedy. Life and Death are two sides of the same coin - one feeds off the other? I dunno.... I'm off to the pub. <_<

Off topic: I just read the lyrics to 'Flat Of Angles' - Genius!!!!!

QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 20 2007, 06:51 AM)

(anybody know anything about the series of face,s on the live albums??)

This image?

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This is the only CD in that series I have, but it cracks me up that they are all the same image.

This good and bad, ying yang being equal is all very well, but gets better when you remember that there must be a third force, ie the viewer.
(edit)o I spoke too soon i meant the Le Gras Live variations.

QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 20 2007, 07:20 AM)

This good and bad, ying yang being equal is all very well, but gets better when you remember that there must be a third force, ie the viewer.
(edit)o I spoke too soon i meant the Le Gras Live variations.

Excellent....I'm going to be thinking about this all night now! :lol:

The web also reminds me of The Fall spiral/vortex symbol that they used in the Beggars Banquet years.

I don't think I've seen the Le Gras Live covers.

QUOTE (Buy Kurious! @ Oct 19 2007, 08:18 PM)

QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 20 2007, 06:51 AM)

(anybody know anything about the series of face,s on the live albums??)

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This is the only CD in that series I have, but it cracks me up that they are all the same image.

It seems to be taken directly from the back cover of the Paintwork book by Brian Edge - the way the image is "ripped" on the right side is identical on the book. It's tinted green on that.

Live from the Vaults series, I think are Le Gras, not sure at the moment, they look very like it.

QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 20 2007, 08:30 AM)

Live from the Vaults series, I think are Le Gras, not sure at the moment, they look very like it.

You're right twinz2z, there are a couple of websites that say Le Gras did the artwork and a discussion on the forum when the series was released (with several UFF'ers virtually weeping at the appaling, child-like quality of the covers) that say the same.

I quite like them myself.

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Tower Club, Oldham 21 August 1978

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Porterhouse, Retford 16 November 1979

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Anticlub, Los Angeles 14 December 1979

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Plaza, Glasgow 23 February 1981

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Alter Bahnhof, Hof, Germany 22 May 1981

There was also this post from The Eccles Connection on the same thread:
Mar 26 2005, 12:10 PM "The use of colour and texture clearly demonstrates that this is an artist with professional training and not a juvenile. The blend of primary colours and the juxtaposition of the basic geometric shapes clearly is derived from '60s pop-art and mixed in with later primitive styles. Recent correspondence from Voiceprint indicates that Pascal has designed the sleeves."

What struck me as being interesting about this series is that it shows his work at a later stage from the other stuff.
Id agree with the quote about the Proffesionalism of the work. For an example, Ive tried to do something as childlike looking as this myself, and it is not easy.
The Images are fairly simple looking, but taken altogether, as was intended, I like them very much.

Some recent American Posters:

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By 'Resist Imposters' from Berkeley, California
for a gig with New Model Army and Shesus
The Browhouse - April 28, 2006 - Pittsburgh, PA.

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By Casey Burns for a gig with Jett Rink and Piedmont Charisma
Cat's Cradle - July 11, 2006 - Carrboro, NC.

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By Dan Grzeca
(Saturday, 28 June 2003 Empty Bottle, Chicago, Illinois).

And a really bizarre one:

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By Frank Kozik, for The Fall and Low Flying Owls with Forty Minutes Of Hell
The Conservatory - April 29, 2004 - Oklahoma City, OK.

QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 21 2007, 12:50 AM)

What struck me as being interesting about this series is that it shows his work at a later stage from the other stuff.
Id agree with the quote about the Proffesionalism of the work. For an example, Ive tried to do something as childlike looking as this myself, and it is not easy.
The Images are fairly simple looking, but taken altogether, as was intended, I like them very much.

Someone said in the same thread that the images of MES are very "Warhol-like", looking at them now, they do strike me as similar to those late self-portraits he did, very ominous they were too.

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They may be simple images, but in comparison to the American Posters above I'll take the Le Gras covers anyday; there's too much going on, I think. It seems to me the simpler ideas often work the best, hence the 'Dragnet' cover's greatness (which I've been thinking about all night!).

Also, it's just occurred to me, looking at the Suzanne Smith and Pascal Le Gras covers (see Castenskiold and Frost too), that the vast majority of Fall covers/posters/etc are extremely colourful (which goes against the ludicrous reputation of them being a dour group). It's funny, but it's only just dawned on me just how exuberantly colourful they are, in fact.
The American posters (and this is something that plagues a lot of modern graphic design) are too concerned with being harmonious to the point of being monochromatic and completely bland visually, even when they're obviously going out of their way to be striking.

Does anyone know if Pascal Le Gras did the covers for 'The Marshall Suite' and 'F-Oldin' Money'? I've never heard the album before and all I own from that period is the Touch Sensitive single, but on the sleeve to that it says the design is by 'Venus', yet it has the same motif as the other two covers???

pascal is credited for photography on the marshall suite cover and says design by warne/trustam.
nice threads btw.

QUOTE (stevoid @ Oct 21 2007, 02:42 AM)

pascal is credited for photography on the marshall suite cover and says design by warne/trustam.
nice threads btw.

Thanks stevoid.

This may be an obvious question to anyone who's got the album, but what is the bottom image - is it a poster, vinyl cover?

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Some interesting tidbits from 'The Real New Fall L.P.' era:

I found an article about a short-lived English band from the end of the eighties, called 'Dandelion Adventure', the self proclaimed "Greatest Fall Tribute Band in Preston", that split up in 1990. For more information check out this great blog: http://www.spoiltvictorianchild.co.uk/2005...ld_archive.html

This is the bit of interest:
"As to what the members of Dandelion Adventure have all been up to since the bands demise...
Well, It's a little difficult to trace them as they kept using different aliases on their records...
But David Chambers went on to play drums for Cornershop for the first four or five years (that being my favourite period of theirs too.... possibly a coincidence, but I think not).
Ajay moved to Holland and put a band called Donkey together and released a couple of records before forming another band called Bent Moustache...
And here's the twist... Marcus Parnell (aka J.Frank Parnell or Fat Mark, Dandelion Adventures singer) went on to design some Fall sleeves including the great Country on the Click."

Marcus Parnell definitely did the first two below, but the American release is completely different in design, so probably by another artist. I don't know who did the bottom cover, but The Fall logo is obviously identical to the album (but then, I think this logo was on alot of stuff around this time, including that comic book backdrop they used at gigs - see below).

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Can anyone who has the US version of the album have a quick look in the sleeve to see if there's any cover artist credit, please?

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2004 Tour backdrop - same type-set. More about the comic used on this backdrop here.

'Bingo-Master's Break-Out':

cover by Jonnie Brown - bassist in the band for 3 weeks, an art student and brief boyfriend to Una Baines - allegedly had a Heroin addiction (he believes 'No Xmas For John Quays' is about him).

I can't, for the life of me, work out what's going on in this cover! Anyone got any ideas?

'Extricate' era -

By Anthony Frost (born 1951 in St. Ives, Cornwall, England - the son of Sir Terry Frost):

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U.S. Promotional Album sampler:
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He also did a backdrop for the group around this time. I can't find any pictures of this, apart from these black & white photos.

On Edit: I'm not 100% certain that backdrop is the one by Frost, but it does look similar to his style. I can't find any gig photos from late '89, I'll have a proper look after.

QUOTE (Buy Kurious! @ Oct 21 2007, 05:41 AM)

QUOTE (stevoid @ Oct 21 2007, 02:42 AM)

pascal is credited for photography on the marshall suite cover and says design by warne/trustam.
nice threads btw.

Thanks stevoid.

This may be an obvious question to anyone who's got the album, but what is the bottom image - is it a poster, vinyl cover?

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It is the folded out cd cover insert.

'Levitate' and 'Masquerade' -
by Tommy Crooks (Scottish artist and guitarist in the band (Aug 1997 - April 1998). After quitting The Fall, he joined Ark but left after early rehearsals and returned to painting. Is now in a band called Farmhand, which released "Farmland Quintessence"):

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I used to think that was a sack on his head, like the ones they put on people before they hang them, but now I'm not so sure. The outfit looks like something a clown would wear. :unsure:
The trees in the background and the fact that it looks as though it's at night makes me think this person is about to be hung from a tree; the hands look like they're tied together too. I've never heard this album, so I don't know if this ties in with the lyrics. I'm probably way off. Very dark cover though.

A recent American Poster by Greg Harrison.

One of my all-time favourite single covers:

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How I Wrote 'Elastic Man'

Has similarities with:

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By Claus Castenskiold.

But the single cover is more successful, I think. I can't find any information about it at all (artist, what location that is?). It came out shortly after 'Fiery Jack' and the goblin does look very similar to Suzanne Smith's artwork.

The rest by Castenskiold (though there may be more):

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I wonder if this last one was by Castenskiold? It's the 'Nord West Gas' cover and it doesn't look like his stuff at all, apart from the fact that it's thickly applied oil paint, much cleaner though.

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On That "Extricate" Cover, Do you see the four Figures?? maybe I,m wrong to say four, that would mean one of them had a very wide head.
There are definately two figures facing each other on the left side. One of them, an egyptian looking female.
The "Marshall Suite" poster has me Kicking myself, for not realising it was a stop sign.[Street signs you never saw]
Levitate--Tour Poster,(Many thanks to the Unseen)
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QUOTE (twinz2z @ Oct 21 2007, 11:47 PM)

On That "Extricate" Cover, Do you see the four Figures?? maybe I,m wrong to say four, that would mean one of them had a very wide head.
There are definately two figures facing each other on the left side. One of them, an egyptian looking female.
The "Marshall Suite" poster has me Kicking myself, for not realising it was a stop sign.
Levitate--Tour Poster,(Many thanks to the Unseen)

Yes! I hadn't noticed before, but I can definitely see one face and that face is staring at what looks like someone (or maybe three people) wearing a sort of african mask :wacko: .

When I first looked at that poster I thought the guy was hanging, but he's just looking down at that ghostly apparition (or is that just a trick of the light?). From that picture it looks like a paper bag on his head. It reminds me of 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre'.

Am I right in thinking this video was a Factory release?

Look for one red leg and one yellow leg, then two blue legs, with red hairdo. And one more figure, with his arm almost outside the far right frame.
Levitate is probably a pose. Meant to convey a range of ideas. Alienation in there along with the blanket smothered intelligence of an MTV educated childhood.(the apparition is the (horse nose forearm headless guy?) just 1 pic out of hundreds, and a lucky accident,i think)
Nord West Gas, looks like part of a bigger picture. maybe a ladder being carried.

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