whos a fan on the music genre "Noise". I am sort of but it dose get tedious! what do u think!?

Noise? or is this some sub-genre I've not heard of?

Do you mean noise?

edit: oops

"Pretty girls
Pretty boys
Have you ever heard your mommy scream
Noise annoys"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_music

describes it in detial

Noise is great but I find it very tedious to stick on a noise cd, it is kind of boring to listen to. Noise is best live in my opinion.

yeah i know what u mean! Im off to see Prurient soon cant wait hes got a very good reputation of being quality live :)

I like 'noisy' bands more so than noise I think. As lady pawpaw said though, this type of music is more a live experience.

Pawpaw is correct, Noise works best when you have somethng to do with your eyes, so either live, live, ive -- or at your local library.

It sounds facetious but I often work at mine (as in, I take a seat with my laptop, not help out there) and I find Wolf Eyes a perfect bleurgh.

Loathe Locust, though. Sorry Samuel. I just think they miss the point somehow.

I tried some of The Locust stuff too but I can't really get into it. I've tried a bit of Merzbow and it was okay but I don't know if I'd like to investigate further. I believe that he has a collection out that contains 50 discs!!!!

Oh and Strontium, shouldn't you be writing now and not posting here. Back to work immediately!!!! :P

I like Merzbow, Wolf Eyes, Whitehouse and the like, but the size of their discographies means I don't buy much of their stuff. Like Mikeyboy I generally prefer noisy / heavy/loud bands to pure noise. But having said that, I have recently ended up on stage playing guitar over a two-man white noise frenzy which worked really well and was tremendous fun.

Almost there! :)

yeah, it's definitely best live. i saw prurient last saturday, it was really great!!!

:o .... Fair anuff i suspose not everyones cup of tea.

Greate news to here that missing kasibian to see it...

Thought I'd resurrect this thread alongside the Whitehouse topic.

Any noise fiends here now? I've got into it pretty heavily recently, but I suppose you could argue that my main point of interest is in the blurry drone/doom/organic/composed/etc noise as much as in the tracker stuff.

With the internet and myspace and the enthusiasm of many many fans you can now get hold of anything from mp3 albums to slabs of vinyl and cassette boxes for practically nothing or trades. Some of the stuff I've got hold of has been pretty dull but some of the acts have stood out like a shining beacon and rewarded repeated listen far more than any conventional songy albums I've bothered with.

I think some of my interest has probably come through that fact that my own music is kind of noisy, if an organic and instrument driven version, that I arrived at almost by accident. It was only when I started getting friend requests in that I realised there were a fair amount of people doing similarly aimed stuff. It's also a pretty pleasant community and it is suprising how eager people are for you to hear their stuff. I've had very few people asking £10 a CDR as you often get in indie types, more like £3 which is very fair.

Anyway I've blabbed long enough. What do you all think?

ps if anyone wants any recs I'll happily point to a few of the Netlabel releases I dig.

digging blue pony at the minute. she was part of an aussie hip hop crew called suicidal rap orgy, and i have some tracks of her howling her guts out over this crazy racket and it's very visual. someone will hear it in miu10.

I don't know whether it's the result of a lot of recent cultural imput being provided by CBeebies, but I've suddenly found myself interested in listening to "noise".

I'd like some recommendations, but with one proviso - I'm categorically not interested in any music which includes references to black magic, murderers, genocide, sexual violence, nazis and concentration camps. So no TG or Whitehouse or any of that shite please.

Are unpleasant subject matters and "noise" music inevitably connected - or can you have a "joyous" racket? To my ears Lightening Bolt prove that you can - more stuff like that please....

Also, after years of slagging him off, I'm interested in hearing a Merzbow primer of some sort, can anybody help?

Just a quickie as I'm on my way to work.

To pick 2 names out of the hat... The Mnemonist Orchestra (later just Mnemonists) and the associated band Biota I always found great noise. Its subtle but its well noisy. Some of it is acoustic noise as well.... not all electric so its interesting from that point of view. The other thing is - it's very detailed and formed... rather than just electronic skronk whatever. You get the feeling they know what they're doing and spend time on it. It's still a bloody racket though.

Could you recommend some electronic skronk whatever as well?

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Noisy poll

Thanks Mike, yes I like the Mnemonists and Biota very much - I should also say I have stuff like Xenakis's "Bohor" (which knocks what I've heard by Merzbow into a cocked hat) and AMM's "Live at the Crypt" of which side 1 is exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for.

But more contemporary stuff is what I seek...

I hold with this absolutely, even though I do like TG and the sound that Whitehouse make, all that ‘ooooh aren't we scary and daring’ stuff connected with noise is ridiculous.

Merzbow is in the realm of making very abrasive noise that is not about that stuff (not anymore anyway some of his earlier work was rather s&m obsessed). The first thing I bought by Merzbow was Dharma and it really is beautiful it’s to do with finding a calming state in the noise. I find it very absorbing to the point I can't read whilst listening to it. I have felt like I'm falling whilst listening to it or leaning into strong wind, and it's actually quite disorienting when it stops.

Also I really like the Day Of Seals box, supposedly 24 hours in the life of a seal, it's all mangled processed guitars but it really does evoke feelings of cold seas

I find this Merzbow pretty joyous and I believe the Yellow Swans are very much of the opinion noise should be so too, and I try to be in the stuff I do or at least try to create a slightly odd feeling in people, not unpleasant, but at least emotionally engaging in some way.

Wolf Eyes live are amazing, noise presented in the form of a metal show.

I like the way Prurient makes you feel like you've got your head trapped underwater and you're fighting to get your breath but I can't say that's very pleasant. He's hilarious live too lots of screaming and distorted feedback, the crowd were fighting each other when I saw him, most odd.

All this talk of noise and no Boyd Rice - give the man a go.

His best work, as NON, has no lyrics and it's between noise, tape experiments and dark ambient. Try Pagan muzak, the black album and selected ambient works. Those tracks don't feature vocals but they're ominous and very abstract. They file under modern art instead of pop or rock.
Boyd encourages everyone to buy his work on vinyl and drill extra holes off center to play the record for maximum "Multi-axial rotation".

His later stuff from the nineties on, as NON or Boyd Rice does feature unsavoury vocals - he's a bit of a nazi and he collaborates with a bunch of weirdos - but they're still quite witty and the music is a nice mix between noise and sixties pop. Either he's mellowed out or he's gotten bored with one minute noise loops. His best collaborations are those with Death in June, but they don't file under noise.

Boyd shows a t-shirt:


http://www.boydrice.com/discography/nondiscography.html

My Boyd Rice T-shirt:

He's a Nazi fuckwit and the very definition of what I'm not looking for.

I find the thing on the doorstep a great site for a lot of music that challenges ideas of what 'music' is. There's a lot of classic industrial work there, but also stacks of obscure tape compilations from the 80s with some really quite interesting stuff. If you go back to the early posts there's one of Merzbow's early tapes that is more cut and paste than his later work and is one of my favourite noise pieces.

I agree with those of you who show disdain for the preoccupation with obscenity that seems to grip many associated with extreme music.

Superb, will check that out.

Can I just recommend Messiah Complex if I haven't done already? Get it all.

Great recommendation, Youdancer, I love this blog. Be sure to look for the "Bethel" compilation and age old cabaret voltaire demos!

Got to plug a few things: first of all this book by a friend and collaborator of mine (I occasionally play with his noise band Safe):



It covers the noise aspects in various genres (prog, punk etc) as well as discussing the genre of Noise itself. It's a very academic tome but there's plenty of intriguing and thought-provoking theorizing that any noise fan should find of interest. Buy!


Also must recommend my friends Toymonger's LP The Night Vision: excellently textured stuff, a bit like Wolf Eyes' Burned Mind but less claustrophobic and dark. Buy!



Encountered some great noisicians on a recent trip to Norway. Lasse Marhaug is probably best known for his metal-influenced project Jazkammer. I have a 3cd boxset compiled from cassette releases called Tapes 1990-1999 which is well worth getting hold of. Maja Ratkje's activities are far too diverse to label her as simply a noise artist, but I'd recommend her album Voice for fans of outre vocalising. Also had the pleasure of meeting Tore Honoré Bøe who started the Origami, an international network of noise musicians. Some examples of his "acoustic laptops" can be seen here.

I could go for some non-dark noise music. I like noise, but so much of it has such a limited emotional spectrum. We need some more playful noise.

I'm def gonna check out that book you mentioned!

If anyone's interested, this is the best Japanese apocalyptic science fiction/sort-of noise musical:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0461769/

It's actually a very good film with some good noise performances by the actors.

Can I second the recommendation of Toymonger. I had the pleasure of seeing them play last year in Glasgow and they were absolutely superb live, promising to rid Glasgow of "false noise" and I think they did that just fine.

There's lots of good noise coming out of Glasgow just now - Kylie Minoise, Nackt Insecten, Eye Shaking Kingdom (both of whom are maybe more drone than noise), KMVSNI(Kylie Minoise vs Nackt Insecten), Opaque, Tight Meat Trio/Heather Leigh/David Keenan, Directing Hand and loads more that I forget.

A highlight of the recent Instal festival was being lucky enough to attend one of the Kylie Minoise Live Aktions. Basically a performance in a darkened dressing room for one person. Mr Minoise was also kind enough to record the performance and send each attendee away with the only tape.

Yellow Swans are the band that comes to mind in terms of non-dark noise. They played in Dublin a while back, and the set was notably short - I asked one of them about it and he explained that they favoured short sets because it allowed them to play at high volume without messing with the audience's hearing too much.

I almost used yellow swans as an example in my earlier post. I only have
Psychic Secession, which I think is supreb, but I don't know which of theirs to try next. Any suggestions?

If you don't mind MP3 they have some of their stuff on emusic.

Thanks. :)

I find most folk and pop music 'noise'.

what was termed here as 'noise' is very artful stuff in most cases.

especially when there is no singing involved

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All I have is that and some comp...

I've been thinking about his and I don't think I can .... bands like Whitehouse I try to avoid.

Hans Grusel's Krankenkabinet - playful candyland noise...maybe? very well crafted noise. sometimes an actual orchestra comes in.

http://www.hansgrusel.com/

bran...pos - a bit of Delia Derbyshire weirdness

http://www.myspace.com/branpos

and, er, this:

http://www.myspace.com/schooloferrors

Ein Haunted Somerhouse from hans grusel, above.
Sub warren 2 is great--getting better---then stops. is this normal?