Something else I wanted to ask every1, totally unrelated to my previous post is how can i beat my mate's poncy, skirmishing wood elves with my traditional army??

They're too fast, too difficult to hit with missile fire, and in our last game he made me advance towards him, something I'm not familiar with!

Some1 suggested taking organ guns (for automatic hits), flame cannons (nice template + will burn dryads/treemen) and thunderers (for improved to hit rolls). I'm tempted, just to surprise my opponent, but don't really want to go against the whole ethos of my army by choosing these new-fangled contraptions!

Is there anything else I can do?

Take it from the lack of replies that it's impossible to beat wood elves with a traditional army??!!

Well, it's going to be hard, for sure.
Miners will help, being able to get behind, both to charge regiments and be in the deployment zone, as long as they stay alive.
Stone Throwers could work, as a wood elf army is pretty small, and managing to drop a template on one of their units is going to hurt. Of course, you'll need a rune of accuracy to prevent scattering.
Bolt throwers are a big no for these games-hitting on 6's at long range is bad.
Generally, the better armour you have, the better, and you probably want to invent in anti-shooting runes on your characters.
Finally, depending on how much magic your opponent has, maybe the anvil of doom? At least a couple of the spells would be good in these games, I think, and the surprise factor could work in your favour.

In my experience the Stone Throwers don't work particularly well: the template just can't kill many skirmishers! Gotta be worth keepin tho, just to keep that forest dragon at bay...

Anvil may be a good idea, especially since my opponent frequently only takes warrior characters, and I've been using the same lord for months, so I guess I've become a little predictable....

Cheers Vriishnak.

See your posts all round this site. What armies do you play?

Lately I've been sticking to Slaanesh chaos, though I've got about 2k in dwarfs, too. Aside from that, I've got a few models from most armies as well as plans. :D
I've also read through all of the army books except Tomb Kings and Beastmen, and I've glanced at them.

That's cool, Vriishnak. I been playing Dwarfs since the 4th edition and Wood Elves since the 5th. I recently sold my big wood elf army tho - got sick of waiting for decent models + rulebook, and bought ~ 1500 points high elves instead. My regular opponent is fact using mostly my old wood elf models, so more than anyone I should be able to work out how to beat him! Just can't tho, it's VERY frustrating.

Even took 2 Organ guns the other day (against my better judgement), hpoing to surprise my opponent. One misfired + blew up on turn 1, the other had its crew killed by archers in their first turn. By the time I got an engineer over from a stone thrower to crew it, I already had a dragon and 2 eagles marauding behind my lines, and only managed 4 hits with them all game. 4 hits for 250 points? Bargain.....!! :lol:

That's the last time I choose to take any of them new-fangled guns!!

Needless to say I got massacred, in fact it was the first game my Lord ever died in (see other post for his runic combo). So he may well get replaced with something new.

I'd write a proper battle report, but it'd be too embarassing :(

Wood elves are gay an I 'Ate em. They Drank my beer and started buming the trees on my land.
My army is Modern/Traditional i suggest lots of hard Ironbreakers

When I took loads of iron breakers, my opponent took a big beardy cannon and protected it from miners with dryads. I had to walk all the way down the field to engage him. By the time i got there, most of the ironbreakers were dead. It wasn't pretty!!

Wood Elves are just too hard cos they can sit back and out-shoot you, forcing you to move all the way down the field to fight, by which time they have units in postion on our flanks. May soon decide to abandon my traditional army and try gyrocopters!!

I hate wood elves as well my 'friend' collects them and he is really rubbish especially when he plays dwarves with flame cannons.


i PLAYED WOOD ELVES ONCE AND MY slayers took out his wardancers and treeman but then died from being shot by archers as they have no armour

Well, you will have to use better battle tactics. I would say, basically, make three columns and march into the high elves. As for the Forest Dragon, use stone throwers and the like of huge things against it.

Unbrok

Problem solved.
Solution = thunderers, rangers, organ gun and gyrocopter - see my 'doing away with tradition' post.

These units REALLY make a difference. No more traditional armies for me!!

Scared to go outside though in case Grungni strikes me down with lightning or something.... :D

Lucky Dwarfs are indoor folk...!!

why do you hate woodelves so much?

I'm splitting my post into two parts: firstly, what I think would be good for a traditional army, and secondly dwarf things generally good for killing woodies.

1. Traditional-style elf-hewing.

Try bringing along a BT or two with two runes of Skewering for S9 and the rune that makes it do D6 wounds per hit, and kebab that dragon/treeman. Most WE players use one or the other.

Use LARGE AMOUNTS of warriors, neglecting elites - Dwarves are a match for most WE in cc, and if you have enough of these wonderful well-armoured Ld9, T4 troops his bowfire won't be able to do significant damage.

Apart from the aforementioned BTs, I'd avoid using warmachines - against an army with only 1 ranked unit, they're not going to make the same difference as investing their points in infantry would.

Use a unit of hammerers and put a Lord with Light armour, Master Rune of Gromril, axe, Rune of Fire (is that the name? The one that makes your weapon flaming), Rune of Fury, Rune of Cleaving (Again I'm not sure on the name - I'm talking about +1 S) and the Master Rune of Spite. That oughtta smash them pesky dryads/treemen. Plus with heavy armour and shields (you can buy hammerers shields, you'll find the 4+ AS against bowfire invaluable) you can also use this unti as a bludgeon to smash the WE battleline.

Try throwing some really big runic BSBs around - ones that give massive CR to the unit + units nearby. This will hopefully go some way to cancelling out the inevitable flank charges. Rune of slowness would also be good to give his dragon or glade riders an unpleasant surprise.

2. All-round elf-hewing.

Use Gyrocopters to the max. They stop the tree-hugging hippies from marching, making you actually faster than them with your relentless rule, and, oh joy of joys, they have the flame template to produce dishes of lightly roasted elf.

Try an Enduring Mountain with maximum Organ Guns and Flame cannons. I'd avoid Thunderers, you're paying points for armour penetration that you're not going to use and in a firepower war the WE player will not come within short range, so hitting will still be hard. If this is backed up by a large amount of rock-solid infantry in large units and possibly a runic banner or two you've got a chance of seeing the hippies off.

You said your opponent used a DOW cannon to attack your ironbreakers - apart from demonstrating that you should never reveal your army list to a player unless you have the highest regard for their honesty, this also shows that this guy has shown he approves of DOW. Use Asarnil. Use Vespero's Vendetta. Use PIKEMEN (the best combat troops in the WE army will die against pikemen). Use, if this guy is really getting on your nerves, a Truthsayer or Dark Emissary. Fenbeasts are good. Try out standard DOW heavy and light cavalry. Why not give Golfgag's Ogres a spin? All these units will give WE a good hiding when combined with the solidity and firepower of the dwarves, and he has no grounds on which to object. After a few games using these units, ask him if he would prefer you not to use DOW. If he says yes, then do so and go back to using Ironbreakers. He'll find it very hard to find grounds on which to bring that cannon out again.

Hi,

I haven't posted on the dwarf board ever. But that means little. I am/was a dwarf player with expereince to through around.

Organ guns? Flame cannons?

Are you guys mad!

18" max range for the Organ gun and 19" for the flame cannon! Unless you know that those WE are going to get nice and close then don't bother. They are shorter ranged then the WE bows, and the dragon and other flying stuff can charge further then you can shoot.

Now Gyrocopters are a different story. 3 of those in 2K should give you the edge, both slowing him down and roasting those naked little tree hugers.

Miners may be useful, but from what I gather they only run away from where they are.

Rangers! Although vulnerable, they have missile weapons, great weapons and can have sheilds giving them a 5+ against shooting. Also that moving trhough trees will keep the mobile and maybe kill some stuff.

Why not use a trutsayer and and avil of doom! The truth sayer is very good for healing your men whilst i think the anvil may do some destroying.

But I have never played WE and never want to. Dwarfs aren't meant to do well against them, and other army is easy (CANNONS) but WE are just a pain.