The Nemesis Crown Website is up

I for one am quite happy with the way they present it. I think it will be a nice time to be had by all. Even if some of their "why were here" tales are a bit far-fetched.
I may just by a special character for this very occasion.

You can also download the Campaign Booklet from the website for a more indepth look.

Anyway
Discuss

I hadn't heard about it yet... I don't keep myself as informed as I used to.

That looks cool. I probably won't participate, but I'll keep an eye on the campaign.

Victory to Bretonnia!

My only gripe with it is its kinda focusing on what I like to call "popular" armies. Thats IMO of course.

Who here will be participating with a club? I don't know if I'll sign up because my battles wouldn't be very varied ... it'd either be greenskins vs. lizzies or wood elves vs. lizzies ... but it does look interesting.

That makes a lot of green on the battlefield. ^_^

"Popular" armies are also the ones that are important in the Warhammeriverse. There will probably never be a campaign that focuses on Ogres or Tomb Kings, because the Warhammer world would still be complex and coherent without them.

Some armies are easily forgettable. Chaos Dwarfs no longer exist and we hardly hear about them anymore. And the Warhammer world doesn't care about their sudden and mysterious disappearance, because they weren't so important.

*ahem* Nemesis Crown *ahem* possibly Nagash-related *ahem* undead related.

OK, so not explicitly Tomb Kings related, then, or even at all, but ... it'll happen, I tell you! I was thinking of something else when I was thinking of Nagash's crown.

EDIT: You know what, I was completely wrong. So, you were right, no campaign for Tomb Kings

AFAIK there is nothing nagash related in this campaign? Wasnt this crown forged by Alrik the mad? The he hid it away ´til it´s been re-discovered and all that..Havent finished reading my booklet yet :P.

Yeah, I was referring to an old rumour that the crown was originally Nagash's crown, but after reading the background fluff on the website I see that I'm obviously wrong. :ph43r:

Well, even if I am not in a club or anything, I'm still going to put any battles I have up on the website. I missed SOC, I started playing right after it I think, so I definetly want to be a part of the Warhammer World this time.

Burro Boskov

No there is nothing Nagash Related in this campaign. Its basically Dwarfs looking to right Alarics mistake. Karl Franz being a "I can make it a GOOD crown" and Grimgor being Grimgor (WAAAGH!) i am definately considering picking up Grimgor for some fluffacious battles this summer.

There will definitely be some clashes between Bretonnia and the Empire. The situation between them, though tense, has almost never led to direct confrontation. But this time, it might. Bretonnia wants nothing less than bite chunks off the Empire's territories... I can't wait to see where it leads. :D

It is a bit of a rip-off of the one ring, isn't it?

Forged in a volcano, completely indestructable elsewhere. Some want to use it to shape the world, others want to destroy it; fearful of its power.

Here's hoping a moot army steals the crown and sneaks it off to that dwarf volcano :D

That'd be cool. But though Warhammer has a lot of similarities with the world of The Lord of the Rings, it lacks two things that all fantasy worlds must have.

First: the Wise-and-Ancient-Wizard-with-a-Long-Beard.

Second: an Unlikely Chosen One or something of that kind... All characters who shape the Warhammer world are great heroes, powerful statesmen and mighty wizards. Humble people apparently have no place in this universe...


KingTut, I like your new avatar.

Even better, here's hoping some Halflings steal the crown and set themselves up as the Dark Hairy-Footed Dictators of the Empire.

EDIT: And, to be fair, the crown can't be destroyed by throwing it back into the volcano. The best the dwarfs can do is lock it up again.

I think Teclis and Valten fit those stereotypes pretty well.

Thankfully,

Indeed,
When a powerful force comes into the warhammer world there is always a furry hand stopping it.
The skaven aided alcazzar (sp?) in killing Nagash

Heck, its Skaven warpstone in this crown itself. It wouldn't be to cunning for a Skaven leader to give him the Warp Stone for this kind of conflict to happen, would it?

Burro Boskov

I beg to differ.


1. Teclis is young (for an Elf). And he's not as wise and mysterious as your average fantasy wizard. I can forgive his lack of beard, but a true Gandalf-like character must be someone with unknown origins and great wisdom. It must also be someone who is highly respected even by kings, but has no official title (like Master of Hoeth).

2. Valten looks like the Great Hero stereotype to me. The fact that he was born as a normal person changes nothing. The true Unlikely Hero must stay humble and anonymous even after he has performed great deeds and saved the world from the Evil Lord in a Black Armor.

Exactly why Aragorn went back to being a ranger and living in taverns instead of taking his rightful crown back in Gondor.

Oh wait...

Burro Boskov

*sigh*

The Unlikely Hero was Frodo. And he stayed anonymous.

I know I've been out of of warhammer for a while, but when did the fluff make the change from 'various morally grey armies banding together out of necessity against bigger, darker threats' to 'noble and good forces of light making a formidible and valiant stand against the forces of darkness and evil'? I ask because the fluff to this seriously reflects the latter view, whereas the warhammer world has traditionally followed the former.

Meh, I dunno... Karl Franz is saying "ooh, warpstone crown of evil, that would look nice on my head", and apart from the greenies and the dwarfs, pretty much every other army bar the Lizzies and the HE seem to be in it for the opportunistic looting and pillaging.

It's greyer than the SOC, that's for sure.

Im with spire on this one. They definately seem to be making goodies and baddies out of Warhammer

You can't deny that, despite the shades of grey, there are still some races that can be considered the "good guys" (as opposed to Dark Elves and Vampires). They're not exactly what you would call hippies, but still...

I second Chili: most people want this crown for personal motives. Sometimes they're concerned with survival rather than just power (like for example the Wood Elves), but even the "good" races will cheerfully butcher each other for it.

Dark elves adn vampire counts I'm not too hot on fluffwise. I understand dark elves to have perpetrated some evils, if you will, such as slavery and whatnot, but ... vampires? How are they inherently evil?

...because they are animated by dark necromancy and drink peoples' blood?

... whoa whoa whoa, vampires drink WHAT?

And the druchii aren't evil, just... opportunistic to the extreme.

If druchii aren't evil, then goblins aren't green.

I have to agree with Chilli there... Druchii are the second most evil race in warhammer.

first all chaos (deamon, mortall and beasties)
second the druchii
third ...

Heh. Define evil. [Self advancement at the expense of others, perhaps?] Now define a Warhammer army that doesn't fall into that definition.

That's eeeasy. Evil = torturing people for fun, worshipping depravity and murder, considering assassination to be good manners and all other species and cultures to be worthy only of slavery serving your empire (and, more specifically, your personal aims).

Army that doesn't fall into this definition: everyone except Dark Elves. And some Chaos types, I s'pose. But when you compare them to Druchii, even Skaven are paragons of niceness and mild diplomacy (and mighty master-raceness, but that's not to do with the comparison).

Evilness should be defined as the darkness of the persons clothes. Simple as that.

Oh, and if they are wearing red leather.

Burro Boskov

That's the oddest definition about evilness I'v ever heard. ;)

Explanation in the form of a LINK!

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0045.html

Burro Boskov

Going back to vampires, how
1) does being animated by necromancy make you evil
2) is drinking blood inherently evil? You could always find a willing ... donor.

I wouldn't say any army is inherently "good". Lizardmen, for example ... no concept of sentient rights, they torture, sacrifice, oppress elves, generally get up to all sorts of bad stuff. I'm not so hot on high elves, though.

Cool. I had never heard of this webcomic. ^_^

True. But some armies are inherently evil. That's why good will never win.

Those who serve the forces of good are filled with childish delusions. Can't they see that everything that is built is eventually destroyed? Can't they see that everything that is born eventually dies? Can't they see that any empire that rises eventually falls? Can't they see that all nice people always end up being trampled by the selfish and the mean? There is no hope for good: in the end, the forces of evil always claim what belongs to them. Those who have not figured it out are fools.

And then the forces of good say that evil is self-destructive. It's a lie. Evil fights itself, that much is true, but by doing so, it gets even stronger: it rids itself of its weak elements and strengthens its strong elements. The forces of good, however, have a tendency to 'go soft' with all their stupid love and friendship. As the wise Frank Herbert wrote in God Emperor of Dune: Enemies strengthen you, allies weaken you.

How can the forces of good have any hope? They are blind, I tell you. Blind! There can be no victory against evil. That is why all must serve darkness.


[/Saruman mode]

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(Sticks hand in mouth to prevent screams of rage and disbelief).

MMMMMFFF! MMFFFFFF!

Okay, that was a ... weird moment. But currently the only "pure evil" army I've seen would be dark elves and possibly Chaos (hey, it's just a religion the same as any other). Possibly Skaven, although I wouldn't be sure.

Those who seek to destroy all others and claim world dominion would be evil, yes? :P Quite many armies fall into that category really. But it´s all in the eye of the beholder, I mean if one should ask an orc if he percive himself as evil, I belive the answer would be something in the lines of: all I want is a good scrap! Quite possibly he would not see himself as evil, but he doesnt care about the suffering of other in order to get where he wants...evil :P

Oh, and if the good cant win, how come they always do so in the end? The evil usually falls when the infighting starts. Greed is what ultimately put them in that second place :). They want it all, but having all is too much.

I would say the dark elves are much worse than Chaos. Chaos commits its acts under the gaze of it's four gods and under the warping influence of chaos- they do what they must, or else they are turned into rather formless sets of muscle and flesh. Their torture and corruption is in the name of Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, or Nurgle.

Dark Elves on the otherhand, as Chili said, basically do everything they do for the hell of it- they can go under the pretense of worshipping Khaine, but when you get right down to it, there are few Druchii who don't get a kick out of sticking a slave with a hot poker over and over again for the fun of it.

But that's not evil, nope, not at all. I would instead conjecture that all Dark Elves suffer from a combination of Depression and Antisocial personality disorder. They really just need better therapy in Naggaroth.

Therapist: "so tell me, what's the problem you are having with your brother?"
Dark Elf: "He accused me of worshipping Slaanesh, took all of my land in the name of the temple of Khaine, murdered the rest of my house, sacrificed all my slaves, and has sent three assassins after me so far."
Therapist: "... and how does that make you feel?"