Thanks to Maelduin for suggesting ebay to find my future Daemon Prince that I am creating out of Confrontation Wolfen of Yllia. I have found a model that is to my liking on ebay and I now have it. When I get back from french camp, I will begin construction on it. The model that I have decided to use is the Wolfen Zombie 2.

I know what I need for it to make it my Daemon Prince except for the wings. I don't want to use Dragon wings as I feel they are too big so any other suggestions for wings would be appreciated.

That model is really cool! Eagle/pegasus wings would probably look pretty cool on that.

I agree with the Pegasus wings. They would probably look best.

Feathered wings would look interesting on something with fur so I may do that but I don't know. Alternatively I was thinking about using Warmaster dragon wings or something along those lines. If I do do feathered wings (he he, I said do do), which type of pegasus wings should I use?

I vote Dark Pegasus.

I'd agree that dragon wings are probably far too big for a Daemon prince.

I have seen the Warmaster dragon wings used on harpies, which would lead me to believe that they would look a little small.

For my own Nurgle Daemon prince I used the wings from the bretonnian pegasus model, which looked pretty cool with all the green flesh. However, given the model (exceedingly cool as it is), I would tend away from the whole fur'n'feathers thing, the textures are too disimilar.

For that model, I'd use something with bat like wings, such as the current Daemon Prince wings, Bloodthirster wings or the old Zombie Dragon wings.

Just my thoughts,
DLJ

I have narrowed it down to either the Bloodthirster's wings or Galrauch's wings. Any feedback is welcome.

I'd go with the bloodthirster wings. They were designed to be placed on the body of a large humanoid. Galrauch's wings were designed to be placed on an enraged twig, and so would look out of place on your model.

DLJ

Actually, having just had a brainwave, the VC Winged Nightmare wings might look pretty good on that model as well.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/st...7095&orignav=13

DLJ

Another question, would Manticore arms be too big on this model or not? I want him to be beefed but not so much that they look out of place. Again, suggestions are welcome. BTW, I want his hands to be clawed and preferably holding nothing.

Yeah, they look like they could work. Making them join onto the body in a realistic pose may be a problem, depends on how the jointing is moulded.

Can't think of any alternatives off the top of my head. Could hack up one of the rat ogre models, but that would be quite difficult to do.

DLJ

About wings: Yes the bloodthirster wings are good for a bloody maniac, but the Galrauch wings are good for a maimed beast, which is also what your wulfen model is. Either of thos wings will work about equally.

Also, why say that a dragons wings won't work on the demon prince when you say they would for a Hive Tyrant. Both are big models (actually I don't know about the Red Terror). Just a thought. Big wings cause fear.

I actually think that the Winged Nightmare wings would work, since they are a bit bigger than other things and not totally huge.

The arms I am still a little iffy about but I need more feedback before I make an informed decision about getting them or chosing something else.

The manticore arms should work. They can always be modified to make sure of that if such a thing is needed.

Always glad to be of assistance :D

For the clawed effect: claws are very easy to make out of green stuff. Stick needles in the end of his fingers if you want them to be really long, or just build it up with green stuff and file it into an appropriate shape.

As for the arms: the plastic dragons has some cool looking arms, but they may not be in the right shape for what you have in mind.

Considering the wings, it depends whether you want him to look flying or landed I guess: the 5th ed. Daemon pince's wings are a bit smaller and folded behind his back, the winged nightmare's wings are clearly meant as 'in flight' . Considering the pose of the model, I would go for the landed option,but that's up to you.

Make sure to post a pic when the prince is finished, I'm getting quite curious about this thingy B)

I have it!!! I will use the arms from the Manticore for his arms and then Daemon Prince wings for the wings (since they are cheapest :P ). I will paint him in very dark red tones, like my Daemonic Mount, and his mane will be painted to look like it is made of fire, also like the Daemonic Mount. His name shall be Ghastragor. Now all I need for him is a title and I am set :) .

I am thinking about giving him a chest plate of some sort so I would also need some help with that even if I don't decide to give him one.

Only way you are going to be able to give him a chest plate without giving him an entirely new chest is to model it out of green stuff. I'm sure you don't want to have to hack your Wulfen to pieces, so I guess this is your only option.

DLJ

I agree with DLJ that a breast plate may be a bit ambitious, but I don't know exactly how good you are with green stuff, so that's up to you I guess.

If you really want to add armour, use some orc bitz to give him a shoulder plate or something, that's a lot easier to do, and should look quite spectacular.

Orc bitz may be a bit easier so I may try that when I get a chance too. It was never a sure thing that I was going to give him a breast plate but I wanted some feedback before I started it.

Any other suggestions that I could use to improve my DP?

I think not giving him a breast plate would give more of a wild and frugal look to your model. Being wulfen, that can't be a bad thing.

Yeah, given the ideas which you've put forward here, I would not add any more. Many of the best conversions are the simplest ones, so you don't want to over-complicate things, especially with such a centrepiece model.

DLJ

Thanks to everyone who helped me out while designing my Daemon Prince. The only thing that I need now is a title, then I play the waiting game.

I will try and post some pics if I can get hold of a Digicam. The model should be done by the time the Beasts of Chaos come out in Canada so around mid to late August since I have to mail order the bitz and assemble and paint it.

Well, I'm quite happy to throw around some ideas for a title, but what is its name and which God does it follow? Any relevant fluff I could look at?

DLJ

He worships Khorne and is named Ghastrogar. He was the Daemon Prince in Khrangar's fluff that gave him all his current abilities and appearance.

Ghastrogar was once a nobleman from the Border Princes that was feared for his abilities with any weapon and also due to his short temper. He ruled a small trading town, known as Cardosa, just inside the borders. As one can imagine, it got a lot of business from travellers. One day, wandering merchants came to his town with exotic items from all over the old world. Among this were numerous Arabian spices and an assortment of enchanted items. There was one weapon above all others that Demitri Helveticus, as he was then known, was interested in. A sword, that seemed to call to him, as if possessed by an unnatural presence. When he asked about the sword the traders said that within it was a great curse. They said that all those who possess it become, over time, berzerk with rage, and that the sword consumes the soul of its possessor. Demitri believed not in such fairy tales and promtly purchases the sword from the marketeers as well as other items that would prove useful to the town's inhabitants. As the merchant foretold, he became obsessed with the sword and it began to talk to him. It would speak about how the gods that he knew were not the true gods and that only if he were to go north would all his questions become clear. He did as the sword said and slaughtered the entire town that trusted him with their very lives. After doing so, he felt renewed as if he was born again, surging with new found energies, he thought that no one could stop him! He headed north with his new found strength and carved a path of destruction where ever he went. The Knights Tempest, a newly formed order at the time of 2034 of the Imperial Calendar, from a small city state known as Yezdara were sent to bring him to justice but could not do so in time before he reached the lands of Norsca. There, followers of the Dark Gods began to join his crusade against those who opposed him. It is said that he single handedly defeated a group of Dragon Ogres to gain passage to the Realm of Chaos for him and his followers. There is where he met his greatest challenge. It seemed that the Dark God Slaanesh knew the great plans that Khorne had for him. He sent an army of Warriors of Chaos against him to attempt to eliminate him and his worshippers. All Demitri needed was the might of his sword to crush the weak worshippers of Slaanesh and crush them he did. His followers were killed to a man, and Demitri himself had been mortally wounded. Seeing the great honour held before him and the death of an army of his most hated of foe, Khorne gifted the gift of Daemonhood to Demitri and renamed him Ghastragor. From then on Ghastragor has become a word of dread in many of the Norscan villages near the borders of Kislev.

Perhaps he doesn't need a title. Ghastrogar is a word of dread. If you really feel he needs a title, then something along the lines of "Everdreaded" would go well with his name.

Fluff seems very Khornate to me. Perhaps for a title, you could play up the fact that he killed the populace of his own town. How about "Slaughterer of [insert towns name]". "Kinslayer" sounds cool, but may be a little too clichéd or dwarf like for you liking.

You could also play up the fact that he killed an entire army, with a title such as "The Unstoppable", "The Irresistable" (possibly a little too Slaaneshi) or "The Potent". You could also play up the fact that he is beserk with rage, so something like "The Beserker", "The Rabid" (suitable for an animal-like character, perhaps), "The Enraged" or "The Wrathful".

"The Everdreaded" also sounds pretty cool. One last idea that sprang to mind would be "Harbinger of Dread" or even "Archangel" or "Angel of Dread", especially if you wanted to make him a mocking parody of the false religions of men.

Just some ideas,
DLJ

I think I will go with Ghastrogar the Grim. That or the Everdreaded, I haven't decided which sounds better.

Have you considered "Ghastrogar, Scythe of the Blood God"?

Sounds nice to me, but maybe it's a bit long for a Khorne worshipper ;)

I assume that you are aware that he will not be using a scythe and I will continue from there. Anyway, He could be, The Scythe of Khorne, which is a bit shorter and also sounds pretty good.

If you don't like the scyth part of it you can just change it to something like "Harvester", "Harbinger", or something else foreboding.
Personally I think Blood God sounds better in the title than Khorne.

I know he'll be having claws instead of the scythe, but it still sounds cool B)

As for the rest: it's your model,and your choice, but I also like "Scythe of the Blood God" better then "Scythe of Khorne"

Why not "The Talons of Khorne" or "The Talons of the Blood God"?

DLJ

Khorne has a few alternate names in the army book (none of which I know), do any of those sound good in the title?

Khorne also goes by Arkhar or Kharnath, depending on the region in Norsca.

Since there are gashes in the wolfen model, I was going to paint them as if they were energy seeping out.

My question is how bright of a green should I paint it and if possible what colour green?

What colour is the model? Always something to consider when choosing a colour for a specific part of a model ;)

As I said before he will be dark red with fire for the fur. I wanted the cuts to be green so they would stand out and look unnatural.

Oops sorry, missed out on that part.

Green might be an idea then yes, or maybe Ice blue?

Snot green highlited over dark angles green, Like warpstone would look ace