now only state problems with other bloodline or support your bloodline is it is abused, anyway,

• Strigoi have no armour
• Strigoi are not allowed magic items, though it helps with points...
• Strigoi have expensive blood lines
• Strigoi have worse WS
• strgoi only get a good ward save when a count....
• Strigoi are not alowed horse, bat form is too expensive
• Strigoi think they are special
• Strigoi are outcasts
• Strigoi are not allowed battle banner

plz feel ppleased to add any thing bad or agressive on this as this is a heavy hard core, wog like, gansta, too cool for school, old school topic,
Ps Dark lord jim will probably lock it straight away cause he will lose.....
PLZ get behind me all blood dragon uses!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap:
i love to think strongly of my army even though i am using strigoi once or twice...
by the way this was Dark Lord Jim's idea so i challenged him!!!!!!!

Okay I will go for the strigoi with the info for my topic but you were ahead of me in posting it :angry: :angry: :angry: . Anyway here is my view for the strigoi
1: Necromancy. You lose 1 power dice which means that you are no going to get enough power dice to have enough magic to cause problems.
2: Challenges. The blood dragon with the highest leadership has to accept the challenge which is bad because that emans he is out of the fight.
3: Batle standard. Strigoi are allowed it all that has to happen is the whight lord takes it.
4: Bat form is not that expensive and can be extremley potent. Often a thrall with bat form can go behind the enemy lines and murder wizards, wa mchines and the like.
5:So what strigoi have no armour, only blood dragons can have a decent save. Von carsteins can only take a shield.
6: So what strigoi have worse weapon skill. I think that hatred makes up for that easily.
7: Strigoi get +1 attack basic which is really good.
8: Strigoi blood lines are very good. Blood dragons cannotb do half the things the strigoi can do with blood lines.
9: Magic items are not a must. You can have hard undead characters without using magic items.
10: A 6+ ward save may not be great for are thralls but at least we do not have to pay for it like you do on your thralls.
11: Strigoi are a lot cooler and allow for a lot more themes to run though your army.
12: Modeling. Strigoi are a lot better to model so again that it a plus.
13: Two of your points are not worth typing. They are outcasts. Is that a problem. No I thought not. Also the fact that they think they are special is correct.
So in summary I have proven all your points wrong and given strong points in favour of the strigoi.

So? T5, a free ward save, Regeneration and necromancer support make these guys practically unkillable. Plus it nullifies the effects of all those "no armour saves allowed" weapons.

Strigoi don't need magic items with the array of bloodline powers they have.

Some of them are expensive, but that is because they are powerful. The cost isn't an issue when you don't have to worry about which magic items to take as well.

But, as Prince C said, they do have Hatred and Infinite Hatred, which will ultimately result in more hits overall.

Do your thrall's get a *free* Ward save? I thought not...

VC characters generally work better on foot anyway, where they can benefit from the full number of ranks. It costs Strigoi 45 points to get airborne, how much does it cost a BD? 175 pts, and that makes you a large target / cannon ball magnet. Not many places a large target can go to escape the tender attentions of all that artillery.

We are.

That is why we are special.

BSB aren't all that great in VC armies. I'm not bothered about not being able to give a thrall a Battle Standard, because I wouldn't take one if I could.

So?

Then what is the point of this topic?

So?

Not true. A great weapon will do a Wight Lord fine, just like it will do for any combat hero in the game.

So?

See above. Hatred is awesome, because it means that you only need the first round of combat to send the enemy fleeing back whence they came.

In my experience, it hasn't. I've faced up against BD players at tournaments on three seperate occasions, and pulled off a massacre every time.

That's nice. Of course, you'll never let us know if you lose, so it's a kinda moot point as well.

Bloodline powers help in the hard department as well. 6+ Ward save isn't pitiful if it is free.

So?

Believe me, the lack of armour isn't a problem. Besides, BD are the only bloodline to use armour extensively. The lack of armour has never been a problem to the Von Carstein, the Lahmian's and the Necrarch: why should it be a problem for Strigoi?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here. Strigoi out do you on Attacks. BD outdo Strigoi on WS. It cancels out. Plenty of Lords are the Strength, Toughness, Initiative, Ld, Attacks and Wounds equal of a BD Count.

Erm, you're the one who wrote it?

Consider it done.

The one thing that makes Strigoi ultimately better than BD is their ability to win combat's in a single round. Strigoi can and do mince straight through rank and file troopers, adding four or five points to CR and minimising the attacks back on your skellies/zombies/GG. Blood Dragons are stymied by having to challenge. No matter how good BD are at killing enemy characters, it is harder for them to generate CR through Overkill than it is for a Strigoi to do it through the slaughter of Rank and File. Plus, whilst a BD is in a challenge, any CR he generates will be nullified by the enemy rank and file swarming all over your skellies and zombies. So BD are better in protracted combats? Psssh, who needs protracted combats when you can smash your target in a single round!

Cheers,
DLJ

OK, I would like to contribute and avoid any mudslinging if possible. I play Blood Dragons. The main reason is because of their fluff. I decided to buy them even before I knew exactly how to play. Now that I know how to play, I don't feel that bad about it.

I feel BD are a bit more challenging to play than Strigoi. (Basically I'm already admitting Strigoi are a stronger choice)
Strigoi have great bloodline powers and excel at ploughing through rank-and-file, whereas for BD on the other hand, those challenges are a real pain. I'd also rather take Strigoi bloodline abilities than most of the VC magic items.

DLJ and Caledorian already gave a thorough rundown, so to conclude I prefer Blood Dragons since they require an interesting playing style. To make sure you win games, you'd probably have to go with Strigoi.

i am so outnumbered it isn't funny.... ok so blood dragons aren't better then strigoi, i say they are matched even though we cost more, further more you all will here my results striaght off the battle even if i...... (and probably will thanks to no support) lose the battle, i will have army lists, battle report and answer any questions on the matter, no pictures thnx to a broken camera, so you shall or know and i will probably be laughed at if i lose, P.S chalenges aren't that bad are they????

i am thinking about changing armys all together, starting a strigoi morphed army.

aren't strigoi thnx to bat form, become part of a fell bat unit??? because voncarstien can do it in dire wolf units :o

pus wounding you on a two plus rulz!!!! and you only wound on a three plus!!!

Cheers,
the finally convinced.....BDR -_- so ashamed........

*takes a deep breath*

*lets it all out*

Jim, you getting tired of this yet? You have phenomenal patience for a board Mod. Next poll that comes around I'm gonna nominate you for something.

bdrule, I typed something elsewhere about why challenges are bad for the BD.

OT: University is taking up a lot of time... slowing down the work on the Sylvanian Guide :) I'll get it completed ASAP

@Derfel: Tired of preaching the virtues and benefits of my favourite bloodline? Me? This kinda thing is all part and parcel of being a Mod. I guess patience is just a perequisite of the job. Besides, you learn to be patient when you hang around with Owaria a lot... ^_^

I'll be starting University in about a month. Hopefully it won't take up too much of my time, and I'll be able to maintain my iron grip of authority here.

@Bdrule: I believe in the Big Red Book it states that Flying Units can never be joined by characters, whether that character can fly or not. Also, remember to post your BatRep in the BatRep forum, and not over here.

Cheers,
DLJ

you know i am stoping starting topic because trying to prove my piont well is piontless, so enjoy your bloodline arguement and i will only contribute to other topics....

PS... still ashamed:(

bdrule, lemme tell you something, you're the one that started this bloodline arguement, hmmm let me look at the title, blood dragons vs strigoi?!?!?

why on earth would strigoi and blood dragons go argue to death which one is better????

i play blooddragons because of their fluff, otherwise i would play strigoi because IMHO they're just the best bloodline there is!

okay, apart from all thats said, the worst part of BD's is that they CANNOT chop rank and file, and strigoi CAN, and combat resolution is the most important in VC battles

In my opinion, the two most important elements in a successful VC army are generating combat resolution, and a robust magic phase. Blood Dragons are considerably lacking in both of these departments, so fall a long way behind Strigoi.

In fact, if I were to rate the Bloodlines in order, I think Blood Dragons would come 4th:

1. Strigoi. Extra attack, free ward save and hatred make close combat killers, good at magic too

2. von Carsteins. Pretty good at both combat and magic, great bloodline powers: Aura of Dark Majesty, Summon Wolves, the Wolf Form/great weapon combo. Were a bit 'plain' before Sylvanian list was published (no special bloodline rules meant they lacked character). Now they are a much more interesting option. All von Carstein players should use the Sylvanian list in my opinion, as this gives them both character and a relentless magic phase. Basically these guys would be a lot further down the list had the Sylvanian list not been invented.

3. Necrarch. Bit lacking in combat, but awesome magic phase. The ability to negate miscasts for only 20 points makes their magic phase SO much more reliable.

4. Blood Dragons. Seriously limited by being forced to issue/accept challenges and reduced magical abilities. Reasonable Bloodline powers.

5. Lahmians. Reduced combat ability and poor bloodline powers. These guys need revising in my opinion.

Special entry at number 6: Haemophobic i.e. all-Necromancer armies. Pants in combat, weaker at magic than Necrarchs. If you like magic, take Necrarch. There is just no point in Necromancer armies: it is VAMPIRE Counts book, after all...

Personally, I play von Carstein, but started off with Blood Dragons and the Lahmians.

I hated gaming with Blood Dragons, despite their good fluff. I found myself all too often in situations where I would issue a challenge and end up causing considerably fewer wounds against characters than I would vs. rank and file. As a result, I ended up drawing too many combats that I should be winning. In my experience 'Honour or Death' became a must-have bloodline power, because at least it meant there was a possibility of not becoming bogged down by a challenge.

Then I went on to Lahmians. I chose them because nobody plays them. It soon became evident WHY nobody plays em: No armour, reduced Ws, bloodline powers that rely upon Ld tests and vulnerability of the opponent to psychology tests. Far too weak.

So now I play von Carstein, cos I like the ability to mix magic items and bloodline powers and my S7, M9 Thrall!! I don't think I would have ever chosen a von Carstein list pre-SoC though, cos Warhammer Armies von Carsteins lack any kind of personality. Sylvanian von Carsteins are by far my personal favourite bloodline, although I still believe the Strigoi to be more potent....

@BDRule: You do not have to PROVE your point, just point it across, and don't get offended when people disagree. Every1 is entitiled to their own opinion. A word of advice: don't start a topic and invite aggressive responses

if you are likely to get upset.