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King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 15, 2004 10:54 PM (GMT)
This is an idea I've been toying with, this templar army would be twined with an VC one. This would be part of the fluff to show some of the holy order is tained and the rest must regain their honour by delivering the judgement of sigmar upon their former breathren (this can be found in the VC forum under "Knights Templars". And here it goes:


I just want thoughts and opinions, but this won't happen until I get my HEs all painted first (so could be a while). Also I was thinking of doing this with an VC army and kinda linking them, so the Living KT (Empire) are trying to regain their honour by destroying the tain on their honour led by the Undead KT (VC).

So it would be lots of mounted troops (knightly orders) and some elite foot knights (great swords) with lots of men at arms (swordmen, with a few detactments of halberdiers and spearmen), and maybe a few units of handgunners. But very few as the point is to show how the order distains from black power weapons so maybe one war machine and one BP unit per 1000pts.

The leaders will be mounted so definatly a Grandmaster of the order, captains to show the knightly generals and great heros of the order. Quite often a few mages spotted about, they won't have many but alittle magic support might come in handy. But quite a few warrior priests, this will be because the KT were a very religious order. So being as it's now a holy order of sigmar, lots of WPs will fit nicely.

The colour scheme would need to be the KT which is White cloth, with a red cross (but I may change the crosses colour to show higher ranked knights etc), the knights armour will be white with a red cross and the same on unit shields (well cross depends upon which kind of unit.)

Well these are just a few thoughts of mine, I'd like you feedback. And like I said I'd have to wait until my HEs are painted, and even then I don't know how much this would work. I've never really converted anything except a shield swap or so, and this would be quite fun to do.

PS for more info on the Knights Templars go here

trouble - April 17, 2004 05:47 PM (GMT)
neat, so it would be a lot like the REAL crusades?

Prince Cal - April 18, 2004 11:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (trouble @ Apr 17 2004, 12:47 PM)
neat, so it would be a lot like the REAL crusades?

A bit dim that post. Yea as I said before I think you should go for it but have a lot of skulls to symbolise those of the order that have been redeamed for their sins

King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 18, 2004 07:30 PM (GMT)
Aye they would be like normal templars (well the real ones).

Skulls... I think that wouldn't realy fit with a pious order of Sigmar, they have redeemed themselves in his eyes so they are pure again. But I don't think the skulls would work, but thanks.

One thing I was toying with tho was the inclusion of the Champion Of Sigmar, otherwise a new special character I was thinking to make for them.

I was reading the fluff for a 40k army called The Black Templars, these have one member of their army become a special warrior through visions from their god. He then gets the best armour a nasty sword and must challege enemy characters to one on one combat.

So I was thinking for something along those lines, so he gets a great armour save and a ward with his armour. His sword will be a powerful relic and used in his hands, devastating.

So I was thinking something like:

Armour: 1+ re-rollable save, 4+ ward - to show that his faith is his shield
Sword: Used two handed counts as a GW but ignore save (or doubles S, No save and strikes last) or used one handed +1S, ignore save but strikes first (or I order).

Any thoughts ?

Benedictus - April 18, 2004 10:25 PM (GMT)
I would just get a Warrior Priest and give hima Holy Relic and great weapon to represent that. :)

Fable - April 19, 2004 04:22 AM (GMT)
If you really want them to abolish blackpowder you could use archers instead of the handgunners as that would tie in with the theme of the army more. For the Champion of Sigmar you could have it so that he has to kill at least one hero otherwise his duty failed and he counts as Victory points fot the enemy, also he could gain bonuses in a challenge such as extra strength or the ability to always strike first no matter what. Just some ideas I thought up hope you like them.

trouble - April 20, 2004 06:38 PM (GMT)
never mind about my first post. i was a bit muddled then.

but i can imagine how good the white with red cross will look. sometimes the simplest designs look the best.

King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 22, 2004 12:45 PM (GMT)
This is an idea I've been toying with, this templar army would be twined with an VC one. This would be part of the fluff to show some of the holy order is tained and the rest must regain their honour by delivering the judgement of sigmar upon their former breathren (this can be found in the VC forum under "Knights Templars"). And here it goes:


I just want thoughts and opinions, but this won't happen until I get my HEs all painted first (so could be a while). Also I was thinking of doing this with an VC army and kinda linking them, so the Living KT (Empire) are trying to regain their honour by destroying the tain on their honour led by the Undead KT (VC).

So it would be lots of mounted troops (knightly orders) and some elite foot knights (great swords) with lots of men at arms (swordmen, with a few detactments of halberdiers and spearmen), and maybe a few units of handgunners. But very few as the point is to show how the order distains from black power weapons so maybe one war machine and one BP unit per 1000pts.

The leaders will be mounted so definatly a Grandmaster of the order, captains to show the knightly generals and great heros of the order. Quite often a few mages spotted about, they won't have many but alittle magic support might come in handy. But quite a few warrior priests, this will be because the KT were a very religious order. So being as it's now a holy order of sigmar, lots of WPs will fit nicely.

The colour scheme would need to be the KT which is White cloth, with a red cross (but I may change the crosses colour to show higher ranked knights etc), the knights armour will be white with a red cross and the same on unit shields (well cross depends upon which kind of unit.)

The main units I think would fit are:
    Grand Master
    Wizards
    Captains
    Warrior Priests

    Knights
    Swordmen
    Spearmen
    Halberdiers
    Archers
    Free Company

    Greatswords

    Flagellants

I think keeping main missile and all black powered weapons out will fit the theme, as the real life templars disliked missile weapons. So the archers could fit but crossbows, handguns etc wouldn't neither would any war machines.

But it's been suggested that to link them with my VCs Templars it should be a baron that did the dirty deed and burnt the templars, so I was thinking of having two armies. One would be the knightly order trying to regain it's name and honour by destroying the VC version, and the other being the baron (Elector count) and his army. The VCs want revenge on this baron so they will be going for him, and his army will have lots of newer weapons ie black powder, war machines and probably a small detactment of the living part of the knightly order.

Oh and the colour I might change my mind over, I have been painting an HE army so I'm a bit sick of white. So any colour that is light and would look quite good with maybe a red cross, but also would look good all aged, burnt and muddied on the VC army.

Also the knights would probably look better with a cloth covered steed, so I would probably be using the Bret steeds.

Well these are just a few thoughts of mine, I'd like you feedback. And like I said I'd have to wait until my HEs are painted, and even then I don't know how much this would work. I've never really converted anything except a shield swap or so, and this would be quite fun to do.

PS for more info on the Knights Templars go here

Benedictus - April 23, 2004 05:06 AM (GMT)
Perhaps cream instead of white?

Also, I'd recommend a hammer instead of a cross- the shapes are similar, but in Warhammer the cross has no significance.

HuwtheRelictorSigmarite - April 23, 2004 06:52 AM (GMT)
Hmmmm....

I personally think that you should convert your WP's to ride horses. It ties in with the army, and you've got a rock hard character on horseback!
What Benedictus says is true. Skulls, hammers and a fancy letter S are all "sigil's of Sigmar" so that's good anyway.

Perhaps you might also decide this special rule: You must have one warrior priest per 1000 points of your army, and if your army doesn't include lords, It must be led by one.

The Albino Rat - August 8, 2004 03:06 AM (GMT)
i think its a great idea. i am doing a templar army also (though it does not have that much fluff)

Goblit Skullhelm - August 8, 2004 06:08 PM (GMT)
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HuwtheRelictorSigmarite Posted on Apr 23 2004, 07:52 AM

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XxSKAVENxX Posted on Aug 8 2004, 04:06 AM


Necromancy again. You might wanna check the site rules.




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