Title: The Axes Of Grimnir
Description: Who has them?
King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 1, 2004 12:26 PM (GMT)
Ok well after thinking about this, I realised that there might be three Axes Of Grimnir and not two. And here's who has them:
The High King - Currently Thorgrim Grudgebearer
Well all know that before he left to close the Chaos Gates Grimnir gave one axe to his son, this has then passed down through the ages and generation with the High King always the bearer.
Grombrindal, the White Dwarf
The legendary ancestor has borne this weapon for all time, yet it's unknown as to where he got the axe. And many believe that Grimnir himself gave it to him.
and then there's :
Gotrek Gurinsson, Daemon Slayer
He weilds the Axe of Valek, this he found in the Chaos Wastes. It's also known as the Axe of The Runelords by the people of Karak Dum, but how does this seem to be an Axe Of Grmnir? In the novel "Beastslayer" we see the creation of the axe (due to the twin sorcerers checking Gotrek's past) and we see a powerful dwarf forging the axe but it's unclear whether it's Grimnir or Valek.
So I'm slightly confused now, what do you all think? Three axes or two?
Kingphesphestus - April 1, 2004 03:33 PM (GMT)
thats part of the fun.
The only one that is a confirmed yes is the one used by the High king
Of the other two the one most supported is gotrek's because
And this is pureley conjecture, If you look at the rules for the two axe from the fifth edition rule book they are almost exactly the same( the high kings axe and gotreks axe, except one did d6 wounds against deamons and dragons and the other against trolls and giants, seems to me that they were forged to be used together ^_^
King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 1, 2004 08:52 PM (GMT)
Aye the only true confirmed one is the High King's, but when looking for the answer to your Q KingP I found the rules to the White dwarf and it says he has an axe of Grimnir. So does he wield an axe of the gods or not?
Then as you said there was the rules for Gotrek's axe, and last ed they were axactly like the HKs version except did more damage to bigger monsters. But in the Daemonslayer book it's called the Axe Of Valek (or Axe of the Runelords), and it's unknown as to whether they made it or not.
But personally I think Gotreks is the other Grimnirs axe, I think he went into the wastes and couldn't hold back the tide so he gave his axe to the closest of his kin. They were then swallowed by the wastes and eventually Gotrek found it etc.
Kingphesphestus - April 1, 2004 11:17 PM (GMT)
I think he did hold back the tide untill the vortex stopped it then returned to the heart of the nearest moiuntain leaving his ax behind, where gotrek found it.
But then Im an optimist ^_^
King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 2, 2004 10:13 AM (GMT)
Hehe I'd love for him to have held back the gates, a true dwarf that one ;) But he didn't leave it in some mountain, and Gotrek found his axe in a cave on the edge of the wastes. The bearer was surrounded by 20 dead beastmen, so Gotrek took the axe. This dwarf was the son of Thangrim Firebeard, king of Karak Dum, weilder of the Hammer Of Fate.
But little is known about the WD so maybe he was created one by Grimnir sometime, being as the WD is an ancestor.
Anyone else?
Kingphesphestus - April 2, 2004 10:25 AM (GMT)
I know where the axe was found- assuming of course the slayer novels are counted as official fluff whic I believe they are,
As for the axe I thought the kings son took it and thats why it was in the cave, before that it was in the dwarf hold.
gotta love that visual though of grimnir holding of an entire deamon army.
Prince Cal - April 4, 2004 07:17 AM (GMT)
I think it is three as it is pretty sure that the High King and gortrex have one. But if the white dwarf did not have one it kust would feel wrong that this warrior of the gods did not have a weapon of the gods
Kingphesphestus - April 4, 2004 11:54 AM (GMT)
But it just feels wrong that theres thre axes of grimnir when there is only two made
Prince Cal - April 5, 2004 08:20 AM (GMT)
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| But it just feels wrong that theres thre axes of grimnir when there is only two made |
Note hgow do we know tht three are made King. I believe this as Games Workshop make so many mmistakes so much of the time that they will want to change it now. But I thinkwe will find out with sowrds of Chaos
Kingphesphestus - April 5, 2004 08:37 AM (GMT)
From 5th edition dwarf army book in the history section.
"...He armed grimnir with 2 might axes..."
So you see there is only 2 axes of grimnir.
King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 5, 2004 06:02 PM (GMT)
Ok yes, Grungni created two axes for Grimnir. But my point is the WD is an ancestor, thus he has been to the golden halls and has returned to help the dwarven race back to it's feet. But nowhere does it say when he got his axe, and it suggests he was alive when the gods walked the lands. So maybe after he passed to the golden hall, Grimnir made one for him then? And he was sent back, being as he does wear the rune cape of Valaya. So why not given an axe? Also have you seen the rules for it?
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Kingphesphestus Posted on Apr 2 2004, 11:25 AM I know where the axe was found- assuming of course the slayer novels are counted as official fluff whic I believe they are, As for the axe I thought the kings son took it and thats why it was in the cave, before that it was in the dwarf hold.
gotta love that visual though of grimnir holding of an entire deamon army. |
I think they are, but where does it say it's Grimnirs axe? It's just assumed that it is, never does it say that Grungni made it. Nor is it called the Axe Of Grimnir, instead it's called the Axe Of Valak (the Runelord of Karak Dum). But it's assumed as the power and the fact that the axe links Gotrek to a great and mighty doom, not to meantion it made him as powerful as he is.
But I'm still unsure as too who has one, except that the High King definatly had one. Also me and KingP touched on this subject in a debate over MSN, so maybe you'll all get chance to view this sometime. The topic was "The Fate Of Grimnir".
Prince Cal - April 5, 2004 06:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kingphesphestus @ Apr 5 2004, 03:37 AM) |
From 5th edition dwarf army book in the history section.
"...He armed grimnir with 2 might axes..."
So you see there is only 2 axes of grimnir. |
Okay you are right, but please note i do not have 5th edition dwarfs only 6th
Swedishviking - April 5, 2004 09:02 PM (GMT)
I think that Daemonslayer said that the Axe of Valek was an axe made by the gods, as were the Hammer of Fate.
King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 5, 2004 09:05 PM (GMT)
Actually it says they are fom a time when the ancestors walked the world (well I think it does, I've not read the novel for a while). But that doesn't still answer the question: How many axes of Grimnir is there?
Kingphesphestus - April 6, 2004 12:00 AM (GMT)
theres is two axes of grimnir becuase even if grungni made another for the white dwarf it wiould'nt be an axe of grminir as it wasn't used by him or made for him.
Swedishviking - April 6, 2004 08:22 AM (GMT)
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| Actually it says they are fom a time when the ancestors walked the world |
Yeah, it might say that too..
claymore150uk - April 6, 2004 08:41 AM (GMT)
i think the white dwarf, like many other things in Warhammer is an abandoned idea like the fimir or zoats. He doesn't count for fluff purposes nbow consider that his last appearence was in WD201 which is 7 years ago he's an irrelevant footnote
Kingphesphestus - April 6, 2004 09:15 AM (GMT)
He was released for 6th as well, new model and updated rules.
Swedishviking - April 6, 2004 04:57 PM (GMT)
He was? When?
I had the model a while ago though.
King Ulrik Flamebeard - April 6, 2004 05:21 PM (GMT)
He was re-released for the 100th WD issue in Aussy land, Europe and I believe Canada. Although for some stupid reason GW decided that England don't deserve to get on <_< :angry: :angry: :angry:
Swedishviking - April 6, 2004 08:49 PM (GMT)
BAH! I feel cheated, 1 min ago I was happy that we in Sweden had the english edition of White Dwarf....