Well, in Maelduins post that started this section it was mentioned that we could have summer campaigns. I was thinking we could do a campaign about what's going on while Archaon wages war on the empire. This means that some battle will take place in this war, while others will happen elsewhere, but is still connected. For example, a Dark Elf force raids an Empire town that was left defenseless as their militia went off to war, or an army from Khemri sees a great opportunity to attack the border princes that have been weakened by orcs. Something like that. Would you guys like to do this? If so, would you like to give some tips as to how we should go about doing this campaign?
Input would be great.

Also, please note that this is not a sign up, that will come later.


Thanks in advance for any input.

I think thats a great idea, will the dark elf invasion of ulthuan be included? and what about the lizardmen who battle the skaven (a chaos race, possibly the strongest of them all)

I guess we can include any battles really. I don't know what we could do for a prize, though. Basically it would be a bunch of battle reports here, and I would keep track of everyone's victories and defeats.

This does sound like a good idea. We should make some sort of campaign that has everyone involved.

Grimgor Ironhide and myself were thinking of starting some sort of campaign as well. But it wouldn't exactly be a "campaign", where there's a storyline to go along with it. What we'd do is make a map, and each person you're playing with would claim the territories. Then, you'd have battles, and whoever takes over all the territories wins. Of course, each territory would have certain terrain, and certain deployment zones.

A map could be useful. We could colour code each army and colour in parts of the map for visual representation of who has conquered what.

how ould you do it online?

Ya I live in Tex, how is this going to work?

Well, we wouldn't really be able to do it online. But, we could create the campaign here, with the rules and map and stuff, then we can play the actual game with our friends. Drauthnir, Khrangar, Paco and Luc_Arkhame are friends and they could post their battle reports here. Grimgor, Nambulis and I could post some too.

Think it would be possible to play through e mail like some people play chess and checkers?

I'd play you in that fashion, new aspect.

The idea sounds cool, bit I don't know how we'll be able to incorporate all the players into one campaign...

Can't you play one of the warhammer computer games online? And if so, with which races?

How about if we use a grid square with a limited number of squares each one being equivalent to the smallest base size (20mmx20mm). The map could be drawn up on screen, scenery could easily be placed on as long as the base size adhered to the grid squares. The battlefield could be as big or as small as the individual players require and you could play over this system. The only thing that it requires is some honesty about dice throwing and away you go. The messages might not be all that interesting to anyone not playing in that particular game but bat reps could be posted later. In effect you would have 2 battles going on at once, one in each house. The only thing that you need to represent the enemy are the appropriate bases.
Does anyone see any problems with this system or any shortfalls?

What you can do is get some poster paper and either laminate or cover it in contact paper and than useing a whiteboard marker to add in the details and you could do that idea, as for the dice rolls there would probably be a way arounfd it like a referee or some online system or something.
In responce to maeduin question there is a game but its not this edition

So in theory it is possible to play someone over the net using this system. It may seem basic but the amount of detail that you could go into would be between the two players and how serious they wanted to make it. Charges could easily be measured as you have fixed reference points with 20x20mm increments. The idea of a third party online to make all dice rolls, make judgements etc could be a solution to the problem of dice integrity. All we need are two volunteers to try the system and report back any problems.

I Would be game to try it but i would need to get the poster paper first. Also how will we work out what units we could take just anything or what we have.
Also before we play we should work out some rules prehaps we should create a new topic for them and iron out any problems B)

The scenarios could be worked out previously so giving the respective generals something to work towards. Points allowances would be agreed between the two forces following the normal GW army rules concerning core, special and rare unless it was a special scenario. If anything this system makes for greater variance in the rules as you dont need the specific model to represent the unit, character or whatever you just need the base size so if you wanted to field 200 thunderers you just have to work out the size of their combined bases and place them on the map. :)
Something thats a bit off topic but have you seen the battle report on Bugmansbrewery.com. Its damn good and the dwarves win.

QUOTE (Kingphesphestus @ May 19 2003, 09:14 AM)

Also how will we work out what units we could take just anything or what we have.

We can deal with that by having all the participants post their army lists hey will use at the time they sign up.

If you use whiteboard, would that restrict the campaign to people who have MSN messenger only?

i dont know if im confused or your confused i thought love rocket said it would be like on paper so if you have a contacted pice of poster paper and a whiteboard or overhead marker you could draw your things on withou having to re buy the paper. unless he did mean msn

Don't worry, it's probably me who's confused. I know what you meant be whiteboard now. :)

No I meant good old fashioned bits of paper. If you want to laminate it then go for it. If you wanted to use MSN for the messaging then thats upto the participants involved. I was just on about having a physical representation of the game in each other's homes to see how the battle is progressing that was basic enough for everyone to make a copy of. The basics are a piece of paper and a pen, but you can go the whole hog and model a battlefield if you wanted to as long as you kept to the grid reference system.

Thats what imeant to the only reason to laminate the paper or contact it is so you dont have to redo the grid every time you want to play as all you would have to do is wipe it off with a cloth :D

This all sounds like a great idea. Druchii.net has a grid based map that we could have used if they were still up. I'm sure there are others on the internet that we could find.

Why dont we put up some stats for the paper, board whatever people are using so that they can get the resources ready for a kick off date. If everyone has the same size board then we can get the reference system sorted. What size board do you usually play on for the points system that we are going to use. I propose that we do 1500 or 2000 pts battles so we need some measurements for the board that we agree on. The points totals that I mentioned were chosen as to give a good choice of troops as anything smaller and you dont get as balanced a game.

Regular sized infantry bases are 2cm by2 cm any one know the others id check but its late and dont want to wake my family be going to look for them

Larger infantry (eg saurus, chaos warrior) 25x25mm
cavalry 25x50mm
monster 40x40mm
you'd havae to make sure that warmachines, chariots,stegadons were based up onto appropriate base sizes

all right then average move is 4 inches sohow about square 4 inches

how about 2 squares/inch? You'll want some manoeuvring room, or there will be misunderstandings,and this way it will be a lot clearer.

the size of the board for manouvering room is limited to size of the paper you got not the square size however on that point it may be the squares should be given coordinates

We've got problems already! We might have to go LOTR route and have the distances in cm/inches or just decide 1 way or the other. If we make each square on the grid the smallest base size available we could just use 25x25mm squares. The inches for movement, charges, ranges would still be guessed in inches but converted by the 3rd party gamesmaster into cm and applied to the grid in front of the respective players.
For example, a message may consist of, my dwarven warriors (456,224 556,224) wishes to charge your goblin regiment(456,264 556,264) I would use the two references to describe the edges of the unit ie 1xxxxx2
xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx
This seems a bit complicated as I'm just pulling numbers out of my head but should prove easier with a board in front of me.

Those xxxxxx's were supposed to line up beneath each other to indicate a unit but the formatting was off
1xxxxx2
xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx

theres a program I use to play online dnd that has a built in dice roller for everyone to see, we could use that so that no one cheets

Wow this is getting quite complicated, what are the coodinates representing?

the only problem i can think of now though is guess range weapons and chrges wont be guess because you can see from the squares how far stuff is away, i mean if each square is 1 cm or 1 inch or whatever you just count the squares and convert it. What system do you use where you are imperial or metric

I honestly think that doing games over the internet would be a bit complicated. We could always just have games against our friends. You just post their army, if they aren't a member of this site, as well as yours and play like that and mail in your results onto as topic page that is specifically for the results. Also, I use Imperial measure for this and this alone (Warhammer that is). That is just my opinion.

To be honest, that was my original intention, but if this online playing is possible, I'd love to give it a try. If it turns out that we can't do games online (or people just don't want to), then we'll fall back to the origianl plan of a campaing based on battle reports.

I'll make a sign up post early this week. Most likely Tuesday.

I'm gonna have to agree with Khrangar on this one. It seems very complicated. We can create the different scenarios over these forums, and then play with our friends. Of course, it would be easier for friends like me and Grimgor, or Drauthnir, Khrangar, Paco and Luc_Arkhame. That would be killing two birds with one stone.... 1) We'd be getting people to play the scenarios, post their own, and post input on the campaign. 2) We'd make the Warhammer Palace community even larger, and making the whole site much better.

So, you said that the signups would be this week? That sounds good. :) B)

But I've got no friends :( :( :(
Only joking, I've got one, somewhere, I think.
We can all play with someone and the different scenarios we could post should bring up some variety as well as some nasty taior made ones as well, hehehe ;) But it would be good to play Kingphesphestus in Oz or Maelduin in Belguim whilst sitting in the comfort of my cardboard box in rainy old England.
To get rid of the range and charge measuring of squares we could just use a grid reference scheme. If everyone understood the basics of the reference system then it wouldn't be too bad. To answer Scaly, the first grid reference would be the front left member of a unit and the second would be the front right, if you had posted the unit formation in your army list or on deployment then your opponent could see if you were angling your units, as not everything in this game just moves in backwards and forward. If you meant how do you use the grid references then basically you divide the board edges into squares ( for example cm) then the first number would be the point (using my previous example) 45 cm in the -> axis and 6parts and the second would be 22 cm in the ^ axis and 4 parts enabling you to be pretty accurate when recording where your unit moves to. Sorry if you knew all of this but someone, somewhere wouldn't have had a clue what I was on about.

Whats the average table sizes that you play on so we get an idea of the table sizes most people play on

For 2000 pts I try and use a 6ft by 4ft board. Anything less and 4ft square

I play on a tabletennis table, but you're allowed to set up further forward. And we usually don't use yhe full length because that makes it a bit too big, unless playing really big battles.