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Grandy - May 5, 2007 03:54 AM (GMT)
*COUNTAINS SPOILERS*

Went to see it just now, and frankly, I'm rather disappointed.
The trailers had me all worked up, I mean, 3 villains in one movie? How cool is that?
But really, they messed up big time. 70% of the movie revolves about Peter Parker being either emo or homo, other 20% deal with how the population loves spiderman, and lastly 10% of it is about Spiderman and the villains. There are 3 battles in the movie, one versus Goblin, other vs Sandman, and finnaly one where he teams up with Goblin and go against Sandman and Venom. Venom, who is like, the arch-enemy of Spiderman, didn't get even a solo battle against him. That really disappointed me, as I think Venom (slightly after Shocker) is the best spiderman villain yet.
The battles are also interrupted for no reason other than show some TV reporters go all "Oh no, what is going to happen to spiderman now?" and they all say that like they were reciting Shakspeare, only with much more drama.
Another thing that got me angry is that there was much more effort into Sandman's background than Venom's. Even the simbiosis, which in the original infiltrated into a spaceship, appeared in the oh-so-original "Meteor falls on earth, life form comes out" cliché.
In one of the action scenes Spidey has to save a girl from a building which is falling. Okay, he did it in the first movie, right after saving the people who were below the falling rocks. And I was like "So Spidey, use your web net to save those people below, will you? Yes, yes it's cool to see you dodge the falling rocks and hop into them like a patlaformer game, but now stop them before you hurt someone, yes? Oh, I see you saved the girl who is important to the plot, I suppose you'll save the other people now? ... Hey where are you going?! There are still people over there! Oh, wait no, they all teleported away from the falling rocks which were just above them a second ago. My bad."
But the thing that really blew the movie is that they overdramatized everything. Aunt May keeps being way too moralist, Peter and Mary Jane seem like a soap opera, Harry is an uber villain, but in the end with a dramatic speech he turns into an good guy. You'd think that at least the villains are efil, but no, Sandman is a wuss who keeps crying at the fact he can't be with his daughter. The only one which is not overdramatized in the movie is Venom, and that's something, but still...
To finish, the simbiosis was defeated by a grenade, even though in the comics, and earlier in the movie, it was obvious that it could just melt back togheter as Terminator. Plus, when it blows up, I mean implodes. Normally, if you throw a grenade in something as gelatinous as the simbiosis, it'd splatter all over the place, but here is just misteriously disappears.

I'm not saying the movie is bad, I'm just saying it was a wasted oportunity.

Lesbian StrikerS Lover - May 5, 2007 05:28 AM (GMT)
Honestly, I thought the movie was a damn good time. I watched it for what it is: a movie. I didn't expect anything out of it other than the characters being there. I thought the action was good, if not a little weird due to the awkwardness of the CGI models this go 'round. It's as if the quality of the CGI varied so drastically.

Oh, Stan Lee was awesome XD;

Keeper Takura - May 5, 2007 05:34 AM (GMT)
Gonna go see it tomorrow/today, I'll let you know what I think after I see it :>

V-202 Davva - May 6, 2007 10:05 PM (GMT)
I've seen the movie on Saturday and I thougt it was alright. In some ways, I agree with you Grandy.

Venom's role was small to say the least. Other than that, I think the movie was OK.

DarkHedgehog - May 6, 2007 10:28 PM (GMT)
It was good and all, had it's points I didn't like but what movie doesn't these days. I agree about the grenade thing but I see it this way, Harry only got a scar but Venom disapeared, I'm guessing during the explosion Eddie turned back into Venom and used the explosion to run off. Sure a little peice was left and burned but it couldv'e been a tiny peice that was left behind. Eh that's just wishful thinking I guess. Besides without Venom in a later movie how will Carnage show up if he does?

Hazzardous - May 6, 2007 10:58 PM (GMT)
I watched it last Sunday, and I was glad Pete beat the pulp out of Harry, I was rather tired of Harry's whining attics, so when Pete threw the bomb back, I was like, "serves ya right!"

The idea of the alien coming out of a meteor that fell to Earth, does seem kind of lame, as in Spider-Man 2, it felt as though they were setting up JJJ's son to be in Spider-Man 3 (As many comic or cartoon fans of Spider-Man can recall, JJJ's son brings the alien back with a rock sample, but the bugger gets out and they crashland, eventually getting onto Spider-Man along the way). But I suppose it was the closest they could do...

I actually liked Sandman's origins and how they made him not look completly like a bad guy. He was more like Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man, how they were not truly evil, but tragically flawed. I wonder Sandman is Immortal now, as even if he's put in water, he can still reform himself...

While I'm glad they stayed true to how Venom got the alien (It was in a church in the cartoons), and kept his white eyes and large open maul complete with tongue and teeth, I really didn't think they captured him fully decked out. Sure, Eddie got buffed slightly in this one, but I think fans would have liked the muscled-out Venom from the comics...

Venom's demise is questionable and hard to shallow, but if you looked closely when the bomb went off, you might have noticed the skeleton of Eddie Brock as it blew the flesh off his bones. I'm not saying this is the end for him, as it did seem like the creature melted through a hole in the ground, rather just vaporate into the air, but I don't know how their going to pull of a return without making it look cheesy...you gonna say the alien copied his DNA? Please buddy, who ya trying to fool?

Overall, I did enjoy this movie, but I think they should have toned down the melodrama slightly as to be honest, Tobe Maguire still needs to work on his crying act (I kid you not, most people in the theater I was in, actually laughed at that teary part when MJ leaves him on the bridge). They have already established that a hero has to make sacrifices in Spider-Man 2, so I don't see why MJ is still having this problem with him going off to save the city...

Oh, and seeing Stan Lee in this is always a cool thing...he actually had a longer cameo spot in this than in the last two films...

Gil a.k.a. Jet TH - May 6, 2007 11:06 PM (GMT)
Since i heard all the bad reviews, i went in with low expectations. As such, i enjoyed the movie a lot!

The trick is, dont view it as a Spiderman movie. View it as a comedy. Cause its hilarious.

When Peter hit MJ, the whole theater started clapping.

Also, the whole JJJ Junior thing might be a deleted scene to make the movie shorter.

Hazzardous - May 6, 2007 11:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gil a.k.a. Jet TH @ May 6 2007, 06:06 PM)
When Peter hit MJ, the whole theater started clapping.


Actually, Peter didn't actually slap her, it was more of a push then a physical hit. But seeing him throw around the bouncers was pretty intense...

But you know, I don't understand why she didn't tell Peter after the battle with Harry in the Mansion, that Harry made her say those things...opps I forgot?


Grandy - May 7, 2007 01:23 AM (GMT)
...Stan Lee had a cameo on 1 and 2?

Also, did anyone notice Spidey didn't say one taunt in the entire movie? That's just... not him.

Otaku no M - May 7, 2007 05:54 AM (GMT)
It felt like it didn't really live up to all the hype but it was still a good movie.

The villains could've been better explained.

Venom is in a metiorite that crashes on earth and suddenly just crawls out and latches onto Pete's bike.
Other than what Dr Connors says there's not a whole lot explained about the symbiote.

Sandman had a good backstory and everything about his daughter and uncle Ben but his power could've been explained more.
He climbs over a fence and falls down into a pit where some scientists perform an experiment that is not explained at any point in the movie.

And the black suit was just what it sounded like. A black suit. I would've liked to see some more powers from it. Instead it made Spider-Man angry.

And the grenade was kinda lame.

There were parts I liked though. I liked the twist that Harry lost his memory.
Jonah was still funny in this movie. Medication scene was lulz.

The Jazz-scene was so unexpected I doubt I would believe it even if someone told me about it.

I also kinda liked that when Peter was tearing off the black suit it felt like it was in pain.

Venom actually looked better than I expected.

Overall it wasn't a bad movie. Just didn't fully live up to my expectations.

Hazzardous - May 7, 2007 08:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Grandy @ May 6 2007, 08:23 PM)
...Stan Lee had a cameo on 1 and 2?

Also, did anyone notice Spidey didn't say one taunt in the entire movie? That's just... not him.

Yeah, in the first, he was briefly seen for about one second where he was running along with the crowd when Spider-Man and Green Goblin first fought.

In the second, it was when Spidey was fighting Doc Ock and Aunt May was being held by him and in one scene were debry is falling, Stan Lee looks up and pulls a kid out of harms way.

Oh, and I never thought about the taunting bit....I guess the closest we had as the whole "I'm the sheriff around these parts" *psst and thumbs his thumb down*. I guess they wanted to show him growing up I guess? Wrong, Spidey is known for his one-liners after all, prehaps even more so than his thinking bubbles during a battle...

Grandy - May 7, 2007 03:44 PM (GMT)
Perhaps they could've made it so his voice is heard but his mask doesn't move, so we know what is he thinking? Like J.D. in Scrubs. That'd get a thumbs up from me.

Akuryou Densetsu - May 7, 2007 04:46 PM (GMT)
I enjoyed the movie, but perhaps it would've worked out better if they hadn't try to stuff three villain plots in one movie, Harry's lack of wearing the actuall Goblin costume also dissapointed me somewhat. Cest la vie, it was amusing nontheless.

duskstalker - May 7, 2007 08:40 PM (GMT)
I loved the movie , personally. First of all, I've got two words for those of you nit-picking about Jameson's son not bringing the symbiote to Earth, Secret Wars. The symbiote first appeared on Battleworld when Spidey tried using a machine to fix his tattered costume, but he used the wrong machine and wound up with a strange black goo that attatched itself to him and formed a new costume. Secondly, about the lack of Spidey one-liners, looking back at the major battles of the movie, he's fighting his best friend, he's fighting to avenge his uncle, and he's fighting against Venom, with Mary Jane's life on the line as a kicker.

My biggest problems with the movie are probably the fact that Venom has the least duality of all the villains, really, if not for his intense desire to kill Spider-Man, Venom could be a hero. Also, annihilating Eddie Brock and burning the symbiote, almost certainly meaning no Carnage on the big screen. And finally, they could've played the Spidey Sense much better. I mean, one of the most dangerous things about Venom and Carnage is that they don't trigger Spidey Sense, but right off the bat, here comes Gobby behind Peter Parker a mile away and he still manages to get the jump on the guy.

Side note, does anyone else get the feeling we're going to be seeing the Black Cat in the next movie?

Edit: Forgot to mention, maybe it's just cause I just finished seeing the Gaara series of fights in Naruto, but it was nice to see someone realize how effectivly fire can beat sand.

Hazzardous - May 7, 2007 10:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (duskstalker @ May 7 2007, 03:40 PM)
Edit: Forgot to mention, maybe it's just cause I just finished seeing the Gaara series of fights in Naruto, but it was nice to see someone realize how effectivly fire can beat sand.

That sort of was ok, but fire can only turn sand to glass...I figured that would be a biger problem as rather than a fist of sand, it's an arm of solid glass...well maybe not, regular fire is not effective to turn sand into glass....got to add pressure to the mix as well I think...

Captain BlueScreen - May 13, 2007 06:56 PM (GMT)
I was mildy dissapointed with the film although there were a couple of things that really suprised me.

Such as Topher Grace as Eddy Brock. When I heard he was going to be playing Eddy, I instinctively looked at the images I have of each of them. No matter where I see Topher Grace, He will always be the geeky Eric Foreman from "That 70s Show" and comparing that to the High school Jock I always remember Eddy Brock being, They just didn't fit. But watching him on screen totally changed my opinion.

Bruce Cambell's appearance as the "real" French Guy was absolutely brilliant. It's been so long since I've seen him in anything that it was one of the best moments in the film for me just seeing him.

The Hysterical "Saturday Night Fever" recreation with Emo Peter. I didn't see it at first but when he started doing that stupid little dance outside the clothes shop triggered something in my brain.

And now, the low points. Nowhere near enough of Venom, Sandman's weakness not actually working, the fact that the explaination for Parker's Personality change was done in one scene and over the phone, Emo Parker's god awful hair flap (seriously, It really doesn't suit Toby) and finally, most of the battles being highly anti-climatic

SSBFreak - May 17, 2007 05:38 PM (GMT)
I saw the movie last night and I really liked it. Sure, it seemed like more of a 'fluff' movie, but I really liked the action in it.

Maybe it's because Sandman is my favourite Spidey character and I love how they portrayed him. During the trailers, they said that he was really Uncle Ben's murderer, but when you actually watch the movie, you find that the whole thing was an accident and he didn't want to do it in the first place. Heck, he made amends with Peter in the end, thus making him the first (and so far, only) villain to live through the movie and could potentially have him as an ally in the future.

As far as Venom goes, he could still return. While most of the Symbiote was destroyed, Dr. Conners still has that small piece of it in his lab for studying, doesn't he?

Grandy - May 17, 2007 09:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SSBFreak @ May 17 2007, 12:38 PM)
I saw the movie last night and I really liked it. Sure, it seemed like more of a 'fluff' movie, but I really liked the action in it.

Maybe it's because Sandman is my favourite Spidey character and I love how they portrayed him. During the trailers, they said that he was really Uncle Ben's murderer, but when you actually watch the movie, you find that the whole thing was an accident and he didn't want to do it in the first place. Heck, he made amends with Peter in the end, thus making him the first (and so far, only) villain to live through the movie and could potentially have him as an ally in the future.

As far as Venom goes, he could still return. While most of the Symbiote was destroyed, Dr. Conners still has that small piece of it in his lab for studying, doesn't he?

I hope connor has a small sample of Brock with him as well.

...

wait, no, that sounded disgusting.




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