I had a request for this in another topic, and I figured that this would be a good place to post it. Alright. RNG Methods. It might take a little while to memorize this, but once you do, you'll be glad.

None of the credit for this goes to me. This information was discovered by Diego Gonzalez and all credit goes to him. This is simply a compressed version of his works.

Also note that I will frequently talk of the DarkPanther (DP) Method named after its descoverer. The DP Mehtod involves resetting your game after each battle (the first battle after you turn you turn the game on will always give you an extra turn where the enemies won't attack) and killing the creature with a Djinni of its weakness. If done correctly, and if the creature recieves enough damage from the Djinni to kill it, it will flash a rainbow of colors before it dies. Keep this in mind.

Item Drops are determined by a Random Number Generator (RNG). If the enemy dies on the correct Random Number (RN) it will drop the item it holds. The first thing to teach you is Item Chance. Each creatur that drops an item is in a different Item Chance Class (ICC). A creature's ICC determines which RNs will produce an item drop. There are 9 ICCs with ICC 9 being the most difficult creature to get an item drop from and ICC 1 being the easiest (you will get an item each time). Here is a list of the RNs below 40 that will produce an item drop for the higher classes. Note that there are billions of RNs.

ICC 9: 1
ICC 8: 1
ICC 7: 1, 31
ICC 6: 1, 3, 27, 31
ICC 5: 1, 3, 27, 31
ICC 4: 1, 3, 6, 8, 13, 14, 16, 21, 23, 26, 27, 31

Now, we get to the difficult part. The only way to kill an enemy on an RN of 1 is to kill it with a single non-psynergetic attack. If this fails, there is no way to get the item drop from an ICC 9 or ICC 8 creature. This is where the DP Method comes in. Killing a creature with the DP Method brings its ICC down by 2 levels. Therefore, ICC 9 creatures become ICC 7 and will drop o the RN 31. This is what we will work with. So, the only question is, how do we make sure that the RN is 31 when the creature dies?

There are several things that happen in battle that increase the RN. Here is a list of them.

As I mentioned in the DP Method desctiption, if you restart the game, your first battle wil always result in a turn where the enemy doesn't attack. When you encounter the battle, a message will appear on the bottom of the screen saying, "Felix's Party attacks first." This means that on the first turn, the enemy will not attack. Receiving this message automatically adds 1 to the RN count.

At the beginning of the second turn, the game counts how many enemy actions would take place in that turn. That number is added to the RN at the beginning of that turn. Note that this occurs in each turn except the first in which the enemy didn't attack. Also note that there are only three enemies that take more than one action per turn, Phoenixes, Fire Birds and Wonder Birds. Phoenixes and Fire Birds attack twice per turn (2 RN) and Wonder Birds attack Thrice per turn (3 RN). All other creatures attack once per turn (1 RN)

When an enemy dies, it adds 1 to the RN count. This is the last RN to be added. Remember what i said about an enemy dieing on the correct RN? the RN generated from the enemy dieing must be the 31st RN. If so, the enemy will drop the item after the battle. Keep this in mind.

Next, we get to Psynergy.

Attack Psynergy whic damages enemies consumes 2 RN per target. Therefore, if I cast Grand Gaia on a group of enemies and three enemies are damaged, 6 is added to the RN count (2x3).

Healing Psynergy which heals damage to your party adds 2 to the RN count for each party member affected. Note that even if your party is at full health, if you cast Wish Well on your Party, 8 will be added to the RN count, even thought no one was healed.

Support Psynergy is psynergy that increases the stats of one or more of your party members. Also included in Support Psynergy are things like Cure Poison or Restore. For each part member affected, 1 is added to the RN count. Again, it does not matter if your party's stats are increased by 0, or if the target is not poisoned, etc. the RN will still be increased.

Status Psynergy is much like Support Psynergy, except that it decreses the stats of enemies. Also included in Status Psynergy are things like Sleep and Bind. Staus Psynergy adds 1 to the RN count for each target. Again, even if the Psynergy fails to affect the enemies, the RN will still be increased.

Finally, we come to the Djinni release used to kill the enemy. If the Djinni is of the correct element (the element that the enemy is weak against) it will add 3 to the RN count.

So, let's review. The RN that will be added automatically if you use the DP method are as follows. Also note that I will be continuing for two enemy battles as they are the easiest, and I will not include Phoenixes, Fire Birds, or Wonder Birds.

Beginning of first turn, enemies don't attack---1 RN
Beginning of second turn, one RN for each enemy attacking---2 RN
Djinni unleash of opposite element of enemy---3 RN
Death of Enemy---1 RN

Now, we add this up and it comes to 7 RN. This 7 RN will be consumed each time using this method, which I recommend. Therefore, we take that away from the 31 we want to get and we end up with 24 RN we need to consume. Now i will give a list of RN values for psynergy in a two enemy battle.

Single Atttack Psynergy---2 RN
Area Attack Psynergy---4 RN
Single Healing Psynergy---2 RN
Party Healing Psynergy---8 RN
Single Support Psynergy---1 RN
Party Support Psynergy---4 RN
Single Status Psynergy---1 RN
Area Status Psynergy---2 RN

Now, all we have to do is develop a method for consuming that 24 RN without killing either of the enemies. With 24 RN, all we really need is 6 Area Attack Psynergies (6x4=24). But, the problem we come across is, that we don't want to kill our enemies, and we don't want them to attack. If an enemie gets in an attack, the entire method is trashed. But, we get in 8 attacks before the enemy gets in any, so as long as we consume the 24 RN and unleash the Djinni killing the enemy, we should be fine.

Some important notes, if Area attack Psynergies end up killing your enemy, some good replacements would be Party Support Psynergy which consumes the same ammoun of RN, or Party Healing Psynergy which consumes twice as much.

Also, note that it is usually best if the character who will be releasing the Djinni attacks last. The best way to accomplish this is to equip this person with the Turtle Boots found in the Sea of Time Islet Cave.

Well, this should be sufficient for you all to make your wn RNG Methods and get those item drops you've been ripping your hair out for. For a more in depth version of this information or for examples of RNG methods, visit Game FAQs website and search under Golden Sun.

Note that my next project will be a list of good item drops, where these creatures are located and which Element they are weak against.

Happy hunting!!

BIG NOTE!!!!! If any of your active characters have status problems (poison, sleep, etc.) You will not receive the item drop. Note, that you can have cursed weapons equipped as long as you also have the Cleric's ring equipped.

Wow! complicated... But what are icc 9?

You mean which creatures are ICC 9? Basically, the higher the ICC, the rarer the item. The best thing to do is assume all the creatures are ICC 9.

so say i was fighting cruel dragons what would i do

Simple. Cruel Dragons are Mercury based, so you need a Mars Djinni. First, make sure that Jenna attacks at least third. If not, equip her with Turtle boots like I said before. If you sold them, you can just buy them back. Now, for your 24 RN think of a base of 6 area attack psynergies. I'm gonna make up an RNG Method for an example right now. Here's how it might go.

Beginning of Turn---1 RN

Sheba uses Shine Pasma---4 RN
Felix uses Grand Gaia---4 RN
Piers uses Megacool---4 RN
Jenna uses Searing Beam---4 RN

Beginning of turn---2 RN

Sheba uses Shine Plasma---4 RN
Felix uses Grand Gaia---4 RN
Piers Defends---0 RN
Jenna Unleashes Cannon---3 RN

Cruel Dragon dies---1 RN

Intheory, this would work perfectly and you would get the Tisiphone Edge after you killed the seocond Cruel Dragon. There's just one problem. There's no way the Cruel Dragon would survive all those attacks. Therefore, we make a few changes.

Beginning of Turn---1 RN

Sheba uses Resist---4 RN
Felix uses Grand Gaia---4 RN
Piers uses Megacool---4 RN
Jenna uses Aura---8 RN

Beginning of turn---2 RN

Sheba uses Resist---4 RN
Felix Defends---0 RN
Piers Defends---0 RN
Jenna Unleashes Cannon---3 RN

Cruel Dragon dies---1 RN

As you can see, Sheba's Resists take up the same ammount of RN, but dont do any damage to the enemies. Jenna's Aura does the same, but it takes up twice the RN of her original action, therefore, erasing the need for Felix to attack again. With this method, the Cruel Dragons will most likely survive, but will have taken enough damage to be killed by the Djinni. After the targe Cruel Dragon dies, kill off the other one, and you will receive the Tisiphone Edge.

Note that this may not work for some. You will have to come up with your own RNG Methods to suit your characters.

thanx for the help

woow! next time i are searching for rare items i must ask you (the wise one) :)

yeh good thinkin

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well you are sub mod

So. I wasn't around when all you newbies (well, you're not anymore) joined and I haven't been too active since I came back.

o well ive always though of you as a "regular"along with canti, isaac,anima and all the mods

I never knew Isaac and Anima when I was around. They all joined in my absence.

he was called I loave wind waker then.

so then he changed it to love

I know all that. That was around when I came back.

y did u go away

I told him to ask marlin to change it to love.

no y did jaken go away for a long time

It's a long story, but.....well, I got involved in some other things for a while. I wish I hadn't. I missed so many things. I was disappointed when the site I had been most involved in closed down, but now, I'm glad it did. Otherwise, I would have never had a reason to return here.

Hey, I found a big list of item drops you can get with the RNG.

Tisiphone Edge
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It's dropped by Cruel Dragons in the Islet Cave. You must have Teleport and have completed the item-trading side quest to access this area. Save in the Islet Cave's long hallway, then turn the GBA off and on. If there's an enemy with the Cruel Dragon, success!

Attack order: Sheba, Felix, Jenna, Piers
All spells are targeted at the Cruel Dragon.

Round 1
Sheba casts Shine Plasma.
Felix casts Quake Sphere.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Piers casts Glacier.

Round 2
Sheba casts Shine Plasma.
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna unleashes Fury. The Cruel Dragon should die.
Piers attacks the other enemy. It dies, or you go to round 3, in which you use anything but Djinni to kill it.

You'll get a Tisiphone Edge.

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Lachesis' Rule
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It's dropped by Mad Demons in the Anemos Sanctum. You need 72 Djinni and Teleport. Save on the Anemos Sanctum's second floor, then turn the GBA off and on. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers
All spells are targeted at the Mad Demon.

Round 1
Felix casts Quake Sphere.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Sheba casts Shine Plasma.
Piers casts Glacier.

Round 2
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. The Mad Demon should flash and die.
Piers attacks the other enemy and kills it.

You'll get a Lachesis' Rule!

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Atropos Rod
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It's dropped by Fire Dragons in the Yampi Desert Cave. You need Sand and Teleport to access this. Save deep in the cave, then turn the GBA off and on. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Sheba, Felix, Piers, Jenna
All spells are targeted at the Fire Dragon.

Round 1
Sheba casts Plasma.
Felix casts Earthquake.
Piers casts Tundra.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.

Round 2
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Felix casts Earthquake.
Piers unleashes Serac. The Fire Dragon flashes and dies.
Jenna attacks the other enemy. It dies.

You'll get an Atropos Rod!

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Tartarus Axe
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It's dropped by the Minotaurus in the Ankohl Ruins. Save on the third floor, and then do a hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers
All spells target the Minotaurus

Round 1
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Flare.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Frost.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Flare.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Minotaurus dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. It dies.

You'll get a Tartarus Axe.

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Rising Mace
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Dropped by the Blue Dragons in the Jupiter Lighthouse. Save in the east or west towers, then hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Sheba, Felix, Jenna, Piers
All spells target the Blue Dragon.

Round 1
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Piers casts Frost.

Round 2
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna unleashes Fury. Blue Dragon dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. Other enemy dies.

You'll get a Rising Mace.

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Clothos' Distaff
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Dropped by Minos Warriors in the Mars Lighthouse. Save anywhere inside the building and do a hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers
All spells target the Minos Warrior.

Round 1
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Tundra.

Round 2
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Minos Warrior dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. Other enemy dies.

You'll get a Clotho's Distaff.

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Rune Blade
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Dropped by Lesser Demons in Magma Rock. Save anywhere inside the rock and do a hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers
All spells target the Lesser Demon.

Round 1
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Tundra.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Lesser Demon dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. Other enemy dies.

You'll get a Rune Blade.

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Staff of Anubis
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Dropped by Red Demons in the Gabomba Statue. Save in the statue and hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attacking order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers
All spells target the Red Demon.

Round 1
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Frost.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Red Demon dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. Other enemy dies.

You'll get a Staff of Anubis.

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Aeolian Cassock
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Dropped by Wyverns in the Jupiter Lighthouse. Save after taking the light beam up, then hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers

Round 1
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Flare.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Frost.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Flare.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Wyvern dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. It dies.

You'll get a Aeolian Cassock.

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Gloria Helm
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Dropped by Aka Manahs in Mars Lighthouse. Save outside after going one of the four symbols on the wall and do a hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Sheba, Felix, Jenna, Piers

Round 1
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Piers casts Tundra.

Round 2
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna unleashes Fury. Aka Manah dies.
Piers attack other enemy. It dies.

You'll get a Gloria Helm.

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Hiotoko Mask
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Dropped by Little Deaths in Magma Rock. Save anywhere inside the rock and hard reset. Same party rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers

Round 1
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Frost.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Flare.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Little Death dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. It dies.

You'll get a Hiotoko Mask.

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Otafuku Mask
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Dropped by Grassils in the Izumo Ruins. Save in the second room and hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers
All spells target the other enemy.

Round 1
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Frost.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Grassil dies.
Piers attacks the other enemy. It dies.

You'll get a Otafuku Mask.

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Riot Gloves
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Dropped by Minos Knights in the Yampi Desert Cave. Save early on inside the cave and hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers
All spells target the Minos Knight.

Round 1
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Tundra.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Minos Knight dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. It dies.

You'll get a pair of Riot Gloves.

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Berserker Band
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Dropped by Druj monsters in the Islet Cave. Save in the long hallway and hard reset. Standard rules apply.

Attacking order: Sheba, Felix, Jenna, Piers
All spells target the Druj.

Round 1
Sheba casts Shine Plasma.
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Piers casts Glacier.

Round 2
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna unleashes Fury. Druj dies.
Piers attacks other monster. It dies.

You'll get a Berserker Band.

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Orihalcon
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Dropped by Sky Dragons in Anemos Sanctum. Standard rules apply.

Attack order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers.

Round 1
Felix casts Quake Sphere.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Sheba casts Shine Plasma.
Piers casts Glacier.

Round 2
Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Cycle Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Sky Dragon dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. It dies.

You'll get some Orihalcon.

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Mythril Silver
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Dropped by Soul Armies in the Yampi Desert Cave. Standard rules apply.

Attacking order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers

Round 1
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Tundra.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Soul Army dies.
Piers attacks the other enemy. Other enemy dies.

You'll get some Mythril Silver.

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Dragon Skin
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Dropped by Winged Lizard in Yampi Desert Cave. Standard rules apply.

Attacking order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers

Felix casts Earthquake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba casts Whirlwind.
Piers casts Frost.

Round 2
Felix casts Quake.
Jenna casts Beam.
Sheba unleashes Whorl. Winged Lizard dies.
Piers attacks other enemy. It dies.

You'll get some Dragon Skin.

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Dark Matter
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Dropped by Wonder Birds in the Islet Cave. Standard rules apply.

Attacking order: Felix, Jenna, Sheba, Piers.

Round 1
Felix casts Spire.
Jenna casts Fume.
Sheba casts Storm Ray.
Piers casts Tundra.

Round 2
Felix defends.
Jenna defends.
Sheba defends.
Piers unleashes Serac. Wonder Bird dies.

Round 3
Felix attacks other enemy.
Jenna attacks other enemy. Other enemy dies.

You'll get some Dark Matter.

And that is the RNG in a nutshell, folks.

Wow. Kudos to you Zaber for all that work. But, simply keep it in mind that these may not work for everyone. And, if you read through what I posted, you can make methods for any situation, whether it be that the target enemy is alone, or with two other enemies, or with incredibly weak enemy, it's all possible.

True. But I did them when my party was level fifty or so, and they worked. Anyway, I'm no RNG genious, but I know how to use a few.

:blink: i only just found out...

Yes. Neither am I. I understand a lot, but there is so much more that I do not know.

you know more than i ever will... i think...

Its all too complecated!! :( :( 8|

oh yeah. i feel your pain dude, i feel your pain.

But what does darkpanter method means? and where does i find it?

oh, loo. another thing i see no sense in.

im typing on a keyboard

and it's also called spamming. but wo shouldn't get too complicated here. you might not understand, right inferno?

Ivan, the darkpanther method is a method of defeating the enemy that when doen correctly will lower his ICC or the chance that the enemy will drop the item it holds. The dark panther method involves mostly killing the enemy with an attacking Djinni of the element which that monster is weak against. This means that the enemy must be weak enough that the Djinni attack will be all that is needed to kill it. There is another requirement for it, however. Your characters elemental strength with that element must be a certain number more than the opposing creature's resistance to that same element. I do not remember this number off the top of my head, but the best way to make sure that this is the case, is to have all the characters in their Pure Class (Equip them with only Djinn of thei element) and have all the Djinn equipped. This will ensure that your elemental strength will be greater than your opponents. Also, you will know if the method has succeeded if the enemy flashes a rainbow of colors before it dies.

Another thing to remember, is how to tell what element the creature is weak against. It's simple. You attack the creature with weak psynergies of each element. Pay close attention to the punctuation when the game tells you the damage dealt.

--Enemy takes 300 damage!!! = The three exclaimation points indicate that the creaute is weak against the attack.
--Enemy takes 200 damage! = One Exclaimation point indicates that the creaure is neither weak nor resistant to the attack.
--Enemy takes 100 damage. = A period indicates that the enemy is resistant to the attack.

Enjoy! ^_^

I had no idea about that! Cool :)

It is very cool.

Cool... so can i use summon to in this method?

Okay.....if you meant can you use summons instead of Djinn in the darkpanther method, then no. If you meant will summons have the same effect as psynergy does (weakness and resistance) then yes. I don't know about Multi-elemental summons, thought. I can hazard a guess that it will deal extra damage if the creature is weak to one of the summon's elements, but I don't know. Perhaps I should do some research.

i got a fool proof way to get tisphone edge

first save in da long hallways where u fight sentinal. then turn it off and walk around. if u dunt fight 1 cruel dragon than turn it off n try again
when u do fight 1 cruel dragon, do this

turn 1
issac uses odyssey
mia uses wish
piers uses wish
garet uses guard on himself

turn 2
issac uses earthquake
mia uses prism
piers uses prism
garet uses fury(other mars djinni work too)

u got tisiphone edge

itll always work 4 sure but remember only one cruel dragon