you pump players surely confuse me.....

[Edited by Cargo: You asked for it.]

i made this thread because most semi players wont bother to tell you guys you are making fools out of yourselves, they would rather just laugh and light you up.

please if your going to flame and bash me or someone else... DO NOT POST HERE... keep the replies strictly as your opinion and my thread shouldnt get closed....

MODERATORS PLZ REMOVE ANY POSTS THAT ARE FLAMING OR BASHING OTHERS.... THANK YOU

your very opening statement contradicts the intent of this thread. In another post you said that I was the nicest person you ever met so now I wonder why you come here only to bash what I spend my of time pursuing?

Chem X
state your true intent.

o and i forgot to add... in the other post you guys flamed me for being a semi cuz i supposedly had a bubble on top of my gun(i.e. hopper)...well i run a q pod thats mounted to the top of my tank thank you...

[Cargo: Well, other then you complete lack of engRish, I'd say this post wasn't too bad.]

why are you here to flame us? you know you can point the internet in other directions dont you?

Chem X
I consider this my home on the net so I wonder why you would come into my home only to make fun of it.

if i get banned for my opinion so be it....just cause ig et banned isnt going to change the fact that i think pump players are more obsessed with their own so called "skills" that they are stuck up little bastards.(im aware that sounds like bashing and flaming but its not because im not directing it towards a person....just stock in general) i didnt feel like retyping what i wrote and i dont change what i said.... i just copied/pasted from other post....

[Cargo: So rather than attack someone specifically, you thought it would be better to berate the entire pump community all at once? Brilliant logic.]

and i forgot to mention chem... you are my favorite moderator because your not a nazi who closes people threads because you dont agree with their opinions...I AM IN NO WAY IMPLYING THAT WHOEVER CLOSED MY THREAD IS A NAZI.....

[Cargo: Well, thank god for little favors. You must not know very much of our Forum, because closing threads is a very rare occurence. And until just yesterday (or was it today) no one AFAIK had every been banned. Don't become #2, please]

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Chem

all I want is some non biased fact's

that surely is not too much to ask

this is an opinion thread... i am sorry that i cannot provide you with a non biased fact... but possible in a different thread i will elaborate on my non biased knowledge..but for now i am sticking with my opinion and if noone wants to reply to it then so be it.. we shall see the true cowards and the true pballers....peace love and paintball

[Cargo: So even your facts are biased? Great, I'm sure they will prove just as wasteful and ignorant as your opinions]

if you truly want peace love and paintball I ask that you stop with this posting. we are a certain breed of paintballer's that wish no ill, you just hit a sore spot with the majority of us.

by all means keep posting but I ask personally that you discontinue this thread.

Chem X
just trying to keep it civil here.

Lol, that got me a good laugh. :lol:

I'm sure this guy likes to see team like Fish and Cali-Kings dish it out.





*EDIT* Sorry, Chem...

as a matter of fact I ask that all scp members back down and let this thread die.

Chem X
still trying to keep it civil

Hey vomit fish,
I just wanna know why you have come to the opinion that all pump playors think their better than semi, I'm not saying your wrong but I would just like to know. You also talked anout how pump markers are made by bad machinist etc. etc. but what about the WORR games Sniper. Or the CCM J2. Or the dye Carter Buzzard. What about those? I mean in no way to anger you I just what to know your complete opinion.

Peace,
Deathhimself20

You know what I resend my reply, Chem X is right. I'm not going to bicker with you. I have nothing to prove to you. But vomit fish you need to sit back from your computer and re-evaluate what your going to type before you do. Like Chem X said lets let this die.

Peace,
deathhimself20

i am a machinist myself and i never said they were poorly machined i just said they werent worth how much money they are for the length of machining they have....which is not very much

why let it die?...cant we just have a civilized conversation about two different point of views?....or are we as childish as politicians?...cmon now...

[Cargo: Ohh, look, I was able to skip one of your posts. What a relief. This doesn't appear to be conversation at all. More like a pissing contest for the drunk.]

So your a machinist? Then why are you running around with a sys X?

Are you in my neck of the world perhaps, I mean, there would be alot of Southern Californians who would just love to take you to task, myself included.....Savvy?

Let's leave this off the board, and let's put it on the field....shall we....

I can arrange a private field at SC, Hollywood Sports and probrably other fields, you take the pick and the time.....


Unless this is Mike......

Haha so ironic that you're calling us childish.

I do have a question, why you do care so much about us, that you want to save us from our destructive paintball-conserving ways? Maybe we like having the guns we own and using less paint than you...

I don't think this is mike, unless he's purposely not capitalizing words.

i live near buffalo new york and i work at a machine shop called g and s precision metals.... im nto sure of the building number but its on chicago street in downtown buffalo about 5 blocks from the hsbc arena.. look it up if u please.... and i have a sys x cocker cause i like cockers and the only thing sys x is second too is freeflow...i have had my sys x cocker for 3 years and it has never went down or out of time...unbeleivable rippage too.....that is the kind of civilized talk i want... thank you very very very much... keep em coming

[Cargo: I can imagine the type of civilized talk your have every day at the building you don't even know the address too. Did you just walk buy this place one day and happen to fall into a job. Or were you 'rapping' with a fello bad-arse ripper and he drove you there. (notice how that wasn't a question)]

Civilized you came on to our forum and flamed bashed us all. You say your civilized you don't see me going to some crazy electro forum and bash them so why here and now. This should die. Now. I ask that a moderator remove this post. Immediatly.

Peace,
Deathhimself20

simply put.

why do you want to talk semi on a pump board?

Chem X
I play pump beacuse it isn't boring. iv'e been playing for 14 years now and pump is the one facet I am not bored with. anyone can shoot high volume's of paint like you said and it also requires no skill like you said. so that means to win is no true talent. but to shoot and win against this kind of onslaught with a pump is skill and talent.

Pump play is a discipline and the only reason people discipline themself is to better themself.

now if you want to argue about how a discipline is dumb I ask if you go to any kind of church, a curch is built on discipline. so is the military. so is science.

most disciplines are moral's and most moral's are built on law's so that means that the police by nature are disciplined.

This has become an interesting 2nd time around. Although Chem is not a mod on these forums, I am, and am watching this one a little closer than the last. Opinions are fine, and we each have plenty of them. I will say that starting a 2nd thread on this site with the same post that caused enough ire to have it locked the first time is akin to wearing a wolf costume in a chicken coop. If you have questions as to why players would limit their paint and ROF - then simply ask. It would produce more mature responses. If you don't want posters to flame you back, then perhaps your opening statement should have been a little less caustic. As a rebuttle - I've been playing since 1985, and run the entire course from pump - semi - electro - pump. I rather enjoy the constant challenge of working within the limitations set by my gear, knowing that each elimination was earned by myself, and not by the reliance of a string of paint. The game is big enough to let everyone find their own niche, and not feel the need to "conform" to a specific mode of play. If throwing out more than a case of paint everytime you play makes the game work for you - there's nothing wrong with that. It's not for everyone. Using my Illusion Pro pump w/15rd feed, I've taken out more than my share of "suckers" as well. Play on.

I wouldnt behave any different if I were a mod but I am still trying to understand all this.

Chem X
I wouldnt mind being a mod

*Tries not to laugh*

Yeah yeah I know it was from a different thread.

Anyway, sorry for replying but....I don't get you vomit fish. I could go on with a million reasons why, but...nah. And nazi mods, where?

And we wouldn't mind having you as a mod ;) :D

damn - I actually thought we were a little more forgiving than most boards. Looks like more coal in my stocking this year.

Hey everyone... Let's discuss the American Pit Bull on this thread shall we?

Or how about medical triage techniques on a Stock Class forum....

Buffoon

If you want to discuss it fine but basically saying "I want to have a grown up discussion. You are all stupid backward retard loudmouth morons. Don't flame me, be mature" dosen't really work, man.

But, in the interest of discussion, I counted to ten and I'll be nice.

For me, paintball is all about fun. If its not fun, I dont want to be there. I don't care if my gear looks pro, or if I look good in my jersey, or how many bps I can shoot. Some do, thats fine. Do I brag about my skill and all that other stuff you said all us stock players do? No. I come to play. I dont trash talk, never have. I catch your perticular line of vitiriolic spew from plenty of people who've never fired a pump in their life. Many say what is behind that kind of talk, that they would never try pump. And that's cool. Does it mean they are a wuss in my book, no. Its a preference. Now a guy that is willing to pick up a pump and give it a go will earn extra respect from me any day.

Now saying things like you enjoy bonus-balling a noob who dosen't deserve to be on the feild, that makes me lose all respect for you. That shows a severe lack of integrity.

You say paintball takes no skill. If thats true why arent we all playing with the big boys in the proseries's. I say a skilled player will do well on the field no matter what he shoots weather its a Talon or an Intimidator. Does the Talon make him skilled? Not hardly.

why play pump?

-When you want to play often and have limited funds because of real life it helps dramatically cut the cost of play
-It's more exciting. Yes some pumpers are into fieldcraft and more mundane and stealthy techniques but I personally enjoy an upfront game with a limited ammo capacity. Taking on multiple players at close range with a gun that doesn't have the same ability as my oponents gets me off.
-It does take more skill. I've never seen a player under fire pull off one shot one kills consistantly, but I have seen them use fewer shots to take out a target.
-I have far more variety in what game I'm going to play that day. You can play semi. I can play pump, pistol, or open depending on my mood. This means that odds are I'm going to derive more satisfaction out of a days play more often then you will.
- If you and I both play a rec. or tourny game and play equally well whos going to get the spotlight? Guy with a run of the mill cocker or kid with a custom pistol/pump?
-your gun has one worn out sexual induendo, mine has many.

Responses to your intro

"just because u play pump class doesnt mean your a good player."
Who said that? I've heard it from a few pumpers, most of which have been god awful players. Then again it's no diffrent then the mass of losers with the latest electros spouting off on how their the best players because of gun X. I fail to see how the minority of pump players equals the much larger minority of semi players who consistantly use the same logic.

"you all talk sh*t about people who use semis, yet half of them could own you with a pump or a semi because you guys dont posess the skills to tuck tight and shoot fast."
Little bit less than half could own me there mate. Castle conquest we fell pretty quick but it was still longer than the shortest time a semi team had held it with more than double the odds we had in their favor. I believe the official record of that game was 100 pumps vs. 700+ semis. And we played damn hard.

"you say semi players waste paint?.....thats why god created the jt universal pro paintball harness."
I can lug it so whats the problem? Judging from your grammer and content your in the teenager group, proberly young. Here's why your idea doesn't work out. I have to deal with,
-girlfriend
-bills
-car
-insurance
-items neccesary for acceptable standard of living
-activities other than paintball
-booze
= money not for waisting on overpriced gelitan capsuls

"i dont understand that because in my opinion there is no better joy than putting a string of 20 shots into someone who isnt tucked tight enough."
I can level with this. I love bunkering someone with my pistol in a tourny and unloading a clip into em. What I love more is the faces I get when they see what gun I'm using

"i also enjoy bonus balling noobs who shouldnt be on the field."
pissant

"i dont understand how pump players can think they are better than everyone simply because they have crappy guns that are overpriced. "
Come again? How many parts on your gun are actually handmade and not spit out in some lowquality shop in Asia? And how overpriced is a sys X cocker? please.

"40 year old loser in a crappy shop who needs to get a life."
g and s precision metals? WTF is that? I live in New York and never have heard of that shop. EVERYONE has heard about CCI at some point and most people use Palmer products on their guns. Both of which make high quality pumps.

"this is not a bashing thread so please dont bash others [ME]."
give me a break.

"i made this thread because most semi players wont bother to tell you guys you are making fools out of yourselves, they would rather just laugh and light you up."
yeah, gotten that vibe. Seen semis wipe off only my hits because of that mentality. Fact remains I'm a better player all around then they are.

I live in NY. Not offering to treck to a field just for your fancy but would gladly place you on my e-mail list of people to alert to when I'm going to play somewhere in the area. You wouldn't be the first person to go on for this reason and certainly not the first to ever show up.

here here I fully agree

sorry I couldn't contain myself

pump versus semi.....who shot who??

^what does that have to do with the post?

Chem X

alright im finally gonna say aomething
if your not going to post anything based on the main part of forum which is STOCKCLASS paintball then please dont post at all
we have all decided that we prefer pump and stock class so posting something asking whether we prefer pump to semi or semi to pump is dumb and un wanted
these posts arent wanted on this forum and are really unappreciated

Questions for vomit fish...

-Do you feel worse getting lit-up by a 2000 dollar angel, or do you feel worse being lit-up by a 50 dollar PGP?

-Is it harder to play when you have a limited ball count and a limited amount of co2?

-Is it harder to hit someone with one paintball, or a "rope"?

-What takes more guts, to use the best, or to use something else?

-In golf, does playing with a handicap mean you are a worse player?

-Why do we award aiming contests (skeet shooting, target shooting, ect) instead of full auto heavy machine gun contests?

-Why is "god mode" considered cheating on your video games?

-Why use a rifle when you can use a nuke?

-Why cure an infection when can just amputate?

Think on these things, and one you will see why we play pump, two you will see why pump players are generaly more skilled then semis, and three you will notice why pump players are considered much more sportsman like.

How can you be proud off "owning noobs" and "bonus balling"?

that is a very good question lemming...
Vomitfish care to answer?

Ive been hoping for an explanation on that for awhile.

Chem X

10-shot kid, I am with you on your response.

vomit-fish I don't like being profiled by an ignorant twib with half a brain, just because someone else that happens to be a pump player says something does not mean you need to place us into that supposed stereo type per say. Your so called "opinions" are one sided and unfounded, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

vomit-fish . . . since the first thread got locked I will explain myself here.

I have been playing paintball for longer than you've been alive. In that time I have owned all manner of paintguns, and I still have a sizeable collections. Old regs here will affirm I am a serious gun whore when it comes to collecting. And I own the full gamut of what is made . . . I have semis, pump, stock class . . . I have owned electros and select fire (mechanical at that). I have played both with and against all styles of paintguns. On any given day when I do play I will usually have 6-10 paintguns with me at the field and will change up between them during the day depending on my mood. You see, variety is the spice of life as they say :P

as for why I play stock class / pump, its first for nostalgia. Thats how I started playing back before your time. I find it fun and challenging. The second reason is because I can, and it is just that simple. I am old enough to outsmart kids like you, but still plenty young enough to be as physical as I need be when playing.

If people want to laugh at my style of playing that is their loss, not mine. I play for fun - I am a recball player first and foremost . . . at the end of the day I really don't care who got the most eliminations, I am just out to have a good time. Funny thing . . . when I stopped caring about getting the most eliminations I found they came easier . . . hmmm, must be some weird zen thing . . .

so if I see you on the field, which I doubt will ever happen as you seem the sort afraid to play any sort of airball that doesn't involve lots of hot air inflating barricades, we'll see then who is better. I might be carrying a stock class pump . . . or I might be carrying my LX Mag. Either way, I am sure I can gog you before you realize whats happening

Have a nice day!

B)

think of it this way.

ask yourself this one question.

would you take on any player, one on one, no matter what thier marker is? (assuming you play pump.)

if you say yes, then everything else is just trash talk.

i play pump/stock, and i will take on any player no matter what thier gun is. i will most likely lose a lot of these "battles" but ill have fun while im attempting it........ and that to me is the spirit of stock and pump play.

so look at it like this, this individual (with a name that is reminiscent of a bad lunch,) wants to goad you into explaining to him, or justify to him, why you play the way you play.

simply say, "it's fun." or "i like it."

dont rise to the arguments that your gun is sub-par, dont rise to the argument that you have a holier than thou attitude.

just tell them, "i'm having fun."

if they cant accept that then oh well, at least your having fun.

I agree with what 10 shot kid said as well. I first started playing paintball with a semi, but ended up finding that pumps changed a lot since I had my talon (about 6 years ago), and I decided to try them. I only have gotten to test shoot the only pump I have so far but I had so much fun with it. It was so much lighter. I've had a hard time staying tight in a bunker (being 6'2" and 225lbs) so using a smaller marker helps a lot. It is also much lighter. Even when I play with my semi I use one hopper full of paint for 3-4 games of airball. Not to say I get lots of eliminations with the paint that I use, its just that I never thought using loads of paint was very cost effective. I prefer to get the most play time with the least amount of money. I may have paid a lot for my pump, but I will save more money in the long run with it. I also don't disrespect anyone who uses a high end marker and shoots lots of paint. If that is how someone wants to play then that is fine with me. The main people I don't respect in paintball would be the people who look down upon those that are just starting the game or don't care how good that are as long as they get to play. I also don't respect those who cheat because they don't think they should be out because so and so shouldn't have been able to hit them. And lastly I don't respect anyone who looks down on someone because of the choice of gear they decide to use, because it isn't "The Best". I just thought I would get my two sense out.

I've seen some very skilled pump players. Just imagine, if they were shooting semi they'd own you arse even harder!

But really, Chem makes a valid point. First you call everyone fools, then say you don't want any flaming or bashing. What's up with that?


Oh, and mods,

Why wasn't this post deleted? :evil:

Now I'll get back top reading the rest of the thread.

HA HA HA!!!

Tell me another one!