hey i was thinking about picking up a pgp or a delta 68 probally a pgp as a sidearm to my phantom is it really worth it like how often do you guys actually use yours im not talking about as a primary on the a field either.

Ill put it this way.

In my 18 years of play I have never wished I had a sidearm.

In my 6 years of playing, I have always wanted one. And had quite a few.

I have had
3 Delta .68s
1 Pt Jr.
1 PMI USP
1 Zeus
1 Tac 8.

The Deltas were nice in some respects, and terrible in others. They were quite accurate, and got decent efficiency for a blowback. The 12 grams got stuck a lot though, as they used an Oring around the tip of the 12 gram. When it got cold, it froze around it. The PT sucked, and so did the USP. In the end, the Tac is awesome, with the Zeus right behind.

Why have a sidearm?

1) Cool as hell.
2) Great for bunker runs. Sometimes a SC gun just doesnt have that firepower you need.
3) Back up on the field. If your main goes down, you are still good to go. A lot of times with SC guns Ive wished I had a back up. Double feeds, breaks in the feed tube...
4) Feel like Solid Snake

What more do you need?

i want one as my primary ... but to carry as a backup if your main one goes down?? i dunno ... maybe it makes people feel more secure i'd feel more secure if I had my pgp during a long scenario game ...

I've seen people say that they had one and just never used it

commando kyle ... what sucked about the usp???

if you get a pistol and plan to have it as your secondary, you will never use it...

if you get a pistol and plan to have it as your primary, you will always use it...

I use my Micro Phantom as my primary and I have to say it is the most fun I've had playing with it than any other. I have never carried a sidearm and probably won't. I do carry a holster though, because I like to leave the game empty handed when I am shot.

For the record, I use an 8" barrel and so while it may not be entirely micro, it feels like a pistol, its' worth it. Although I am still interested in buying a 6" barrel for an even smaller appearance.

Nice collection you have there freedom.

buy a pgp. that way when you find out the PGP is more fun than your main, if only it was semi and had kick arse range, you can send it to plamers and join the elite pistol players. yes... yes....

What makes a semi pistol player elite? Don't all paintballs fly the same distance at X fps?(excluding flatlines and the like)

Id say the palmers pistol is elite but ... not the act of playing ... but if it's a club name then ... i wouldn't want to be on just the mediocre pistol players club ... but the elite pistol players club ... maybe ...

Freedom, I have used my back up in scenarios. Back in the day when I was still borrowing guns, but had a pistol, the borrowed E-spyder I had ran out of batteries. It was during the final assault on a base, and I was inside. So I pulled out my pistol, and started walking around barking orders.

Pistols=authority :)

The USP? The feeding gate was slow and awkward to deal with. The tolerances were poor on the feed tube, so I had to be careful how I pulled the spring back to reload, or it would bind up. The grips were horribly un comfortable.

And compared to every other pistol in the world... its just ugly.

USP ugly ... maybe ... bit it reminds me of a big .45 cal hand cannon ...

I use both the sidekick semi and Pump versions as backups ONLY in scenerios where my phantom with a 40 round hopper can turn into a Hoser!

Scenerio #1

I mean when your in one of these big games and you've been playing for over an hour...You brought in 200 rounds on your back and 40+ in your hopper. You're Tired, but the biggest move is comming up and you only have 15 rounds left...what are you going to do...walk to the car? Snipe? or Bust out the Pistol and load her up with what you've got... :angry:

Scenerio #2

Just Bring the Pistol in and play hard...praying that they don't get you while your reloading either your paint or your 12gs. :ph43r:

I wouldnt have time to use a sidearm.

I think it'd be a waste of money FOR ME. But if you feel comofrtable with one, then by all means get one.

I feel that a handgun should be treated as a primary. If you buy one only for secondary status, you will be less likely to use and appreciate it. At least if you use it as a primary until you are sufficient with it, when carried as a sidearm you will know how effective it can actually be, and will use it more.

I personally wouldn't carry one as a backup however, at least, not for any practical application. I might do it to look cool, but I know that it wouldn't see any major use.

As far as I'm concerned, if your gun breaks, just walk off the field and come back next round. ;) Sure their are large scenarios and such that this doesn't quite apply to, but overall, it's still just a game, so you have the freedom to do so. For the opposite reasons, I would always carry a sidearm if I was in an actual conflict, better safe then sorry. Paintball? Make it your primary. Save up to buy a nice one, and actually use it.

-Omega Chief

im the same way,

I'd say to just get a shorter barrel if you have a Phantom. I love my micro it is the most fun to use and I love not lugging a larger gun around. I can slip this into the holster and walk on and off the field no prob.. I wouldn't even consider buying another paintball gun, unless, it were another micro Phantom.

Forget the USP if anyone is interested in using pistols, that thing is an utter pain to reload.

I had a PGP2k1 all modded out with grips, aluminum pump, PPS speedloader, honed barrel but I had to sell it off. It's a great pistol for sure, lots of good memories with it. I'll hopefully find one another day. PGP2K1 is the way to go.

:) Games with just pistols are fun!

Pistols are not for everyone. They are not an "elite" class. IMO they are best suited for very front players or someone trying to stay light. Personally, for most people I do not recommend them for many reasons:

Limited paint (it IS a pistol, however if stuck in a heated firefight, can make the difference)

usually ran on a 12 gram, which are far more pricey than CA, less reliable, and can be a pain in the neck if stuck in a heavy firefight.



Pro's are smaller, more compact firing platform (indoor, bunker runs, flag running, etc)

Players tend to aim more (though this factor is my personal opinion).


Many pistols shoot nice, Thus far my favorites are palmers, though in the lower end bracket I'd look at a Tac 8, or a PGP. The USP is a ok pistol, but is ackward. Personally I wouldn't bother doing pistol without seriously thinking to sink in at least $300 for a used marker.

-Butch

Thank you butch.

If your primary IS a pistol then wearing another pistol as a sidearm is a wise decision.

The old saw 'If my main goes down...' actually applies when your main 'goes down' for co2 change every 20 or 30 shots!
If you're in close contact with your opponents the noise of releasing your co2 is a death sentence, I'll doubt anyone who tries to deny this.
By wearing two I'm able to quietly holster my main, draw my secondary and fight my way out to where I can hopefully reload both without the horrible hissing call that starts a feeding frenzy.

The bottom rig is my usual set up for our 15 minute games. Zeus primary with 12 tubes and 6 co2 and TAG8 with 2 extra mags. light and comfy(I gave away that shoulder holster, just didn't like it and no, I didn't wear all three, that's just too Josey Wales). I have a pack that holds 18 tubes instead of 8 for SPPL play and big games.



I prefer the zeus even over PPS Strokers that I've used, though I had to modify pretty much everything on it before I felt that way.

Rob

First off sorry I posted and never came back to check the thread, I hate when I do that.

"What makes a semi pistol player elite? Don't all paintballs fly the same distance at X fps?(excluding flatlines and the like)" (chem X)

I siad in my post PGP -> palmers. Palmers pistol players are GENERALLY more "elite," as in kick arse at playing, than the JABB pistol players. This is just a personal observation and does not include the recent Tac 8 dealy-o. I still don't think the tac-8 could cut it as a main because of the 8 shot clip. At least for me with how I play, but I've never shot one so Ihaveno idea how it performs.

When I see a kid playing pistol only with a JABB, and they always have to come up and tell me, they usually suck at it. They arn't pistol players, they have no clue how to play with one. Their reload time sucks, theirsnap sucks, they keep extending their arm all the way out all the time, they always hold it up in the air next to their head, etc. They are just doing it to have fun for a little while and save money on paint. What irks me is they tell everyone they're pistol players andhave been so for X years when in fact they arn't.

Their are exceptions,but exceptions don't prove the rule. I may come off as an arse, but whatever, it's pissing me off. It's why I understand why the SC players at this site get pissed when someone says "I play SC" and they arn't. Which brings me to the secound answer to your question of eliteness. Yea, pistol players, as in real "I play pistol 80+% of the time" with a high quality shooter pistol players are elite. There are very few of us and we play a game that is harder than pump but easier than SC.

As for the whole don't all balls go the same distance believe what you will. I know the debate on open v. closed 'is over' just like the debate on ETS so I dare not forray into that arguement as nothing productive will come of it. Once again, sorry for the long gap in reply. I had no clue I had posted something that led to somwhat of a debate. I scincerly hope this doesn't come across as me posting behind your back or something.

Whats wrong with keeping your shooting arm extended? Or if you have a pump pistol, keeping it pointed up by your head (avoiding rollouts)?

Not at all.

Thank you for the reply actually.

Kyle, extending your arm all the way out all the time gives someone a much bigger target to hit. I'm talking in specific about people doing that when they snap or are in a tight spot. As for putting the gun up next to your head I didn't think about the rollout issue, good point.

Heh, I just noticed the newb pistol player toting his squall up by his head so he looks cool. Yeah in your avatar.
:P


Nice rant though. If you don't like my offered beverage in the thread that lead me here I could always up the ante to a guiness, no moonpie though.

I hear you on the extended arm thing then. I just find it gives me a more stable shot than the tucked up speedball style. However, when I must, I can shoot it that way.

medic, :P Posing for pictures is TOTALLY diffrent :) I'll have to take you up for your offer on a guiness.

Well,
I have to put out the same apology as the 10-shot kid for not checking back on this thread sooner, because I certainly would have responded before now!

In my opinion as someone who has been 'playing pistol' (by the definition of 80-90%) since Hell Survivors in Mi got their first Crosman spotmarkers in maybe early 1988, I've seen a handful of pistol players that I would call 'elite'(don't know that I would call myself that, ESPECIALLY if it were true since it sounds so close to elitist), they were usually so busy paying to play the massive amounts of paintball required to be elite that they couldn't afford a Palmer gun.
I played with another fellow's Palmer stroker for a couple of months. Let me stop here and say I've gotten to play with most every fancy pistol because the people who buy them rarely actually use them any more than players with cheap pistols.

It was nice, it shot pretty well and it had the SAME load time as a $75 dollar PTX. The only reason that it was even as fast as a PTX was that it had the quicksilver.

Rearcapped magazine + leverchanger = Rearcapped magazine + leverchanger, sorry.

One thing I would've learned at last years Canadian Paintball Pistol Championships, if I didn't know it already, was that you CAN'T judge a player by his gun. Dirtnap from the A5OG didn't win because he had a TAG8, he won because he'd been quickdrawing on tennis balls hanging from string on a closeline for six months before the competition :lol: . NOW THAT'S ELITE! and maybe a little nuts :D

Myself, I've never had an opportunity to play pistol on pistol really until that tournament and I was surprised at the variety of styles I saw. I've always played against regular guns in outlaw games and in the advanced class and now 'open' class at Hell Survivors.
Would I trade my Armotech zeus and now my Miltec G2 for a squall? Sure if I could order the squall with a forward 'RP' feedport, the rock under the barrel and the ram where the rear feed plug used to be(so it's not three lanes wide and out of balance in onehanded rapid fire!) and a side dropout instead of the bottom dropout which says "I'm new!", making the squall's price about $1200 and making it play nothing like a stock squall.

Would I trade this zeus for a stock squall?

Sure! So I could immediately sell the squall and buy 4 of these guns, several cases of paint and a season pass for the field I play. However if I actually had to play with the stock squall the deals off, NO WAY!

I'd like to have the custom squall I described, but I have it's functional equivalent already so I'm not in any rush.

Extending your arm is not that bad an idea because for the small risk of your narrow arm as a target you increase your sight plane from 'the back of your gun to the front of your gun' to 'your shoulder to the front of your gun', making you more accurate. In a close quarters situation it wouldn't be worth the accuracygain, as 10-Shot noted, but it should help at long range, IMO.

Rob

Smith

"don't know that I would call myself that, ESPECIALLY if it were true since it sounds so close to elitist"

Personally I don't care if I sound elitist I refuse to particibate in the pussification of SCP.


"Let me stop here and say I've gotten to play with most every fancy pistol because the people who buy them rarely actually use them any more than players with cheap pistols."

Absolutly I'd agree with this. A lot of people buy 10-shot guns of all the diffrent price ranges and never use them. I'd actually hazard to guess that far more than 50% of all 250+ dollar pistol owners hardly use their guns and such at pistol play. A lot of them buy them on a whim, toy with them, and then either cerimoniously leave them on their hip or they become wall hangers forever.

But the people I've seen at the field using them are, GENERALLY better than the ones with JABBs. Like, if you go to EMR and get all the pistol players (not owners) together I'd bet you that the ones with tac8's and above are better than the ones with JABBs. Hell I'll go even further and bet that the ones with sydarms and up are better than the JABBs. Are there rarely (at least in the NE) JABB pistol players who are decent or better? Note how I wrote exceptions above, congrats you apear to be one. Honestly it's always cool when their are people like you, I wish all the pistol players where like that.

But they are not and I have yet to play on the field with someone who is toting a cheap pistol and any good at pistol play. The guy who won the pistol comp. didn't only practice he had a faster reload (12 gram only comp. right?) than anyone else. And his gun, unless you've somehow made yours more consistant, would be more so than most anyone elses. That said back when I had a nice big flat back yard I too used to drill a lot and train to do trick shots. I got to the point where I could consistantly hit a trashcan lid full sprint gun cross body with only glancing at the thing. I used to be able to consistantly give some squid bashing cheater a nut shot from behind the back "biaccident!" too. I'm at 50% now :P Drilling is obviously the most important, the gun only keeps up with the player.

But one more thing on that whole elitist dealy-o. It's nice my gun could get 4 of yours and whatnot, all the JABB kids I was talking about above always, always, always bring that up with me. Come to think of it just last weekend someone said "You coulda bought an ion!" and today I'll be someone will say something along those lines. It's sort of the never ending poo you get from people that just know how I don't 'get it.' But just incase ragging on my elitist obviously overpriced pistol gets boring the box of cigars I smoke every month could get 2 JABB pistols.

So whatever on that BS. I am elite, because I play pistol and am always getting the same thing from the majority of people I play with, "that kid is f'in good." If I played with an open class gun and people said that, I'd just be f'in good. I'd be another face among many, and that's why when I go to any field in the NE there is always a bunch of people who reconize me. That's why even when I'm playing way outta my area there is always someone who goes "Your ten shot!"

Not just because I'm good, not just because I'm personable, not just because I post on the internet, but all those things and the fact that I play a good game with a 10-shooter. Look at popular media, what's the main guy always got? A pistol, because everyone wishes they could take 5 guys with machine guns out with one. In the end the diffrence between being good and elite is just that one unique variable, the gun.

That's why when SCers, who are good like me, have given me grief about bassically copying their game and making it easier all I can say is "yea, I just can't play like you." That's why I respect all those elitist sons of bitches (and the nonelitist ones while I'm at it). Because that one unique variable for them is obviously much harder than my setup. I fail to see why they don't have any right to say it.

Well it's good that we understand each other so I can be blunt without worrying whether I hurt your tender feelings.
I mentioned the price of a squall in the context of saying it isn't any more or less effective on the field than a standard JABB for all the extra money, not because I give a rip. You conveniently ignored the fact that your squall reloads just like a cheesy overlord and that anyone with a $60 flexhone kit can have equal or better accuracy to boot, that is according to tests done by Tom Kaye and (guess who) Glenn Palmer!
You feel the way you do about your Palmer because out east and especially at EMR, Palmer guns lay around like pop cans before the refund. Come out here to Hell Survivors and you won't see one for years at a stretch except when Blue's Crew is in town. Plenty of elite players out here too. Next time you see Weltman(who from what I've heard him say prefers the AFT, made from the JABB F2 Illustrator), tell HIM how much better than him you are because you have a Palmer. :lol: :lol: :lol: He's not as polite as me.

I'm just anti-snob not anti-palmer. I'll also take the electronic field against pump snobs, AGD snobs, electro-snobs and all the other snobs you look down on, yet sound just like.
So people remember the 10 shot kid? If this is how you present yourself in person, I'm sure they do! Big deal, I get recognized too. With a JABB.
Are you saying you wouldn't be as good with a JABB? If that's true then you're either understating the quality of your gun(which must be truly magical) or grossly overstating your skill, which is it? You say you'd be f'ing good with an open class gun why not a JABB? Palmer elves? SHENANIGANS!

Dirtnap was using a tag8 which had the same reload time as MY tag8 and the other dozen tag8s in the running, HE was better, certainly better prepared. You keep wanting it to be about the gun but within some pretty broad limits it isn't. For some events I used my zeus but for the quickdraw I preferred the gripheld magazine of the TAG as it puts less stress on the paint than a zeus or a squall.
(ironically the first thing Dirtnap said to me when I opened my guncase was "you've got your zeus done just like AgentSmith's!" We had talked on HaveBlues old SideArmShootingEnthusiasts forum, but never met. I remember you from there I believe, minus the unpleasant attitude.).

I could care less whether you smoke cigars or whether you smuggle them in from cuba in your posterior, but since you revel in being Elite here's a little elitism for you:

BRITANNUS [shocked] Caesar: this is not proper.
THEODOTUS [outraged] How!
CAESAR [recovering his self-possession] Pardon him, Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.

In case you're not elite enough, Britannus in this case, would be you.
The reason I'm anti-elitist is easy to see right here. I've lost respect for you, I've lost respect for your opinions, I've lost the urge to look you up and give you a $50 cigar and kick back and talk about pistol play. Don't worry you won't miss me a bit with your ego to keep you company. You made an incorrect assumption thinking money was important to me, just because it is to you. I just don't need to waste it in some bizarre quest to be retro-L33t. Plus I spend most of my money(since it's UNNECESSARY to spend any more than I do on paintball) on showing, trialing and judging bird dogs.
There's nothing elite about stock class either, what you're missing is that an elite player CAN choose to play stock class in open play(no big deal, I do it all the time), but doesn't automatically HAVE TO to feed his ego. An elite player is also just as elite with an $80 PGP2k he flexhoned himself as he would be with a $400 superstocker(which has been flexhoned for him in Cali).
Elite is about enough confidence, long enough to not have to holler about one's own skill from the rooftops and it's a judgement OTHER PEOPLE make about us, not some pin-on button we buy at a dime store and stick on our lapel.


Rob

not to but in but well said rob

Hey guys. I'm enjoying this conversation and I just wanted to interject one thing.


HS vs. EMR

As I see it, that's the fundamental difference here.

The general HS attitude is very much a utilitarian one. You do whatever is necessary to put paint on target and everything aside from that doesn't matter. You can shoot a $500 marker or a $50 one but if you use it well that's all that matters. Pride comes from effectiveness and not pageantry.

EMR is quite different, IMO. People dress up and carry equipment to define themselves. Everyone is a character and everyone has a reputation to uphold. You can dress up in camo, in bright colors or in a Hawaiian shirt but it's all the same - it's a costume. EMR, on some level at least, is a fashion contest. Not that there's realy a winner but new, different or outrageous styles get noticed. 10-shot mentions that playing with a pistol gets him recognition. That's just how he stands out. Everyone else does something different to get recognition. Doesn't make him "elite" I wouldn't say, or at least not any more elite than any other "character."


EMR is a strange environment. It's a FUN environment which is why I keep going back... but it's a strange one regardless. When you're at EMR you have a different life. I cease to be Ted the engineer and I become TrojanMan the stock class player. I'm defined by what I wear, what I shoot and how I play. I have a "reputation" of sorts and an expectation to uphold. It's a costume. I put on my yellow BDU pants and my SCP t-shirt and I pick up my stock gun. I play a certain way and I laugh and joke with the rest of people who are also dressing up. It's silly, it's fun and it's different. It's different than what I am every other day of the year. It's pageantry and it's all a big joking, jolly time.

10-shot is just playing his character and part of that character is the equipment he uses. I would wager that his esteem for his Palmer's gun and the relative value of it in his mind is largely influenced by the fact that it is part of his character and part of his play style. Whereas the performance may not be superior to another given marker's, its value to him certainly is. I'd take my Phantom over any other stock gun hands-down because it's what I use, it's what I like, it's what I'm good with and it's part of my character.


Not everyone has to play a character and that's fine. Not everyone cares whether their equipment is shiny or has a fancy sticker on it. Some people just want to put paint on target and will take the most efficient means of doing just that. There's certainly no shame there.

But me? I'm a character.
I get to be me every day of my life. Once in a while, I like to be TrojanMan instead.



Oh, and 10-shot - we've had this discussion before but what's the deal with you and pumps? Just not your style I guess. FWIW - I personally find a stock gun MUCH easier to play with than a semi- pistol. Perhaps it's just because that's what I'm used to, I don't know. I find it curious, that's all.

just to say it again so you can't say Im back pedaling,

I am elite, because I play pistol and am always getting the same thing from the majority of people I play with, "that kid is f'in good."

Not just because I'm good, not just because I'm personable, not just because I post on the internet, but all those things and the fact that I play a good game with a 10-shooter.

Never, ever, ever said I was elite because I'm shooting an expensive gun. I'm elitie because I sling a semi 10-shooter and am good with it. It has nothing to do with where that ten shooter is from or how much it costs.

What I was doing was retaliating at your obviously abrasive attitude twoards how I stereotype players up here in the NE. I have no clue how it is elsewhere. The simple fact of how it is up here is that if someone is shooting a tippmann they usually don't have a lot of skill. If people are shooting an ion at a speedball field they usually don't have a lot of skill. If someone is shooting any low end gun they usually suck. Their are exceptions, but their few and far between. So when I hear "your gun could buy five of mine haw haw haw" I immedietly think of the 500+ newbs who have said the same sh*t before I level em.

One again, it has nothing to do with gear just how good you play that makes you elite. I do stereotype based on gear because it's a dang good indicator up here on how bad someone is. Not how good, how bad. If that makes it so you want to snub me feel free, you won't be the first and you won't be the last. Because the fact of the matter is I say what I see and actually think without wussy stepping around the issue.

Well,
I'm not especially famous for wussy stepping either, but I am always mindful that this is not a private conversation, so I'm simply more careful about my choices of words unless someone gives me the weapons free, Golden Rule and all that.

I can definitely understand what Trojanman and you are both saying. I get that EMR has a different atmosphere and I get that your profiling techniques hold valid alot where you play.

But I also get that you should know this is not an exclusive board for EMR players(Which would let me out, since it was the Wolf'sLair last time I was there), that people from all over the country read this and more sign up every day. We're not always going to get inside jokes like:

Heh-heh, that seems so funny now that you've explained it... <_<

As for the rest, if you're smart enough to appreciate a fine cigar, then there's no need for us to argue further, time will take care of it. A couple years from now you'll sound a little more like me and a little more until you realize that the definition of an elite player is someone who gets the job done with the first few paintballs out of his(or her) gun and to someone who can get the job done with the first few balls out of their gun, it starts to matter less and less what gun you carry.

And just so you can't say I'M backpedaling, Palmer guns are functional pieces of art and look and play great, but they are NOT the crest to some jacked-up country club where all the players are above average. Practice makes you better, not nickel plating! In fact, if nickel plating makes you feel you play better, it's a sure thing it's really making you play worse.


I'll stick with my junky sub$250 POSs I guess and hopefully beat the total of 34 days I played paintball last year because one month out of 12 is NOT ENOUGH!.



Rob

Reminds me of the trick US soldiers would pull durring the Korean War (or police action, or whatever you choose to call it) where they learned that the atuomatic ejection of the clip from the Garand made a distinct and loud "i'm reloading" sound that caused the Koreans to rush them. resulting in the more cleaver soldiers to have an empty clip close at hand and would bounce it off the ground to make the sound while they still had several rounds left in their rifle to shoot the Koreans who left cover thinking they were reloading.

*pshhhhhhhh*

"he's reloading his 12g! get him!"

*pulls out second pistol* *poppoppoppop* "gotcha"

I Don't think it makes much of a difference in what pistol you use, personal preference and all, but I agree with 10 Shot in that most players do not use pistols enough to play as effective when the do. :bang:

I have seen people assume that anyone who plays with just a pistol is a noob, this is fun at times. Ecspecially(sp?) when that person gets taken-out by that player with the pistol. :D

I personally have many pistols that I carry in games, of all price ranges. The ones that I carry in a given game depend on what I want to use that day.

As to the question of one style being elite, we all think that our style is the highest form of the game. And to us it is, just that it is different from what others would say. :D

Personally, I swear by my stroker. Shoots nice, holds 13 rds in magazine, incredibly consistant, and I love the grip/frame. I've shot a few, of well just about everything (minus a squall) and for the price, I'd say this wins. Price of my stroker was $225 used. A heckuva deal. Would i buy this or a jabb/tib/sydarm? I'd choose this, provided I got the same price.

If I had to pay the $600 something the original person paid to get it made, tib 8 or sydarm all the way.


On a sidenote, Smith, you'll prolly see me with mine out as HS a few times come warmer weather :D


-Butch

dang ... i should have came back a long time ago ...

So i'm elite cause i play a the game in a more difficult fashion... cool ... but wait ... when i use my automag i'm not elite anymore??

But i'm still thinking about a sidearm as a primary ... there were one or 2 situations yesterday where i would have came out on top ... but at the same time if I had played a little smarter I would have avoided the situation.

I'm totally looking forward to it butch!!!
You've got to admit buying a stroker, especially one made from a P68SC(the only ones that come out 13 shots) for $225 ranks up there with getting struck by lightning! :lol: :lol:


It's not going to be nearly as lonely out there this year! My friend Walt with his tag8, another paintballer, Tom that I've known for a dozen years now has a 12 year old that uses his tag8 most games(if he's not using it his dad does), my friend Bill has my old Warsensor G2+, Zuke, one of the regular refs comes out with his G2+ and SCP member TimmyDaTulip has scored himself a Sydarm.
There's a new tournament series hopefully coming, the OPPL which is basically a five man version of the SPPL and I'm looking into fielding an all pistol and bazooka team :ph43r: .
Last year some of us regulars were going to field a Hell Survivor's home team for the SPPL, just to make sure enough teams were registered to hold the event. The week before the event they made the total of teams they needed and since we were a scratch crew who'd never even played together we folded it up and left the field to the big boys.
I was lucky enough to be asked to join a few different teams and joined my friends on the Great Lakes Rangers. We took third in the qualifier behind Smart Corps and the Tippmann Effect, but I wasn't able to go the finals in Oklahoma with them unfortunately. I'm a full-fledged 'honorary' member this year(the Rangers represent the A-5 Owner's Group, so my pistol packing self is more of a really dangerous, ugly mascot :D , though I prefer 'Indian Scout') and hopefully we'll make the finals again.
The 10 man SPPL format is VERY pistol friendly, since having a holstered weapon lets people carry the many special weapons allowed. As long as you know what to do with that gun when you draw it, because noone is out there fooling around. I only played 2 games and managed 7 eliminations and recovered one of the objectives from a downed and trapped teammate, a canister with 5 'instant resurrection armbands' inside, I must brag a little and say I haven't been eliminated in SPPL play yet, so I didn't get to use any of 'em. My time will come!

I see EMR is having an SPPL qualifier also, further proving that Blue is one of the smartest guys in paintball, you guys are going to love this format and it's focus on good sportsmanship.

Target Practice,
I'd say that's another HS/EMR difference, I don't know how many times I've heard "you 4 guys with the A-5s take out the (insert pump or pistol here) guy, then we'll worry about the rest". Sometimes they're even talking about poor old me! B)
Solo pump or pistol play at HS is like open mike night at the Checkerboard Lounge blues club in Chicago, you had better bring it or they will carry you out. :lol:
My own play is more like SMG, it's routine for me to fire over 100 rounds in a 15 minute game, my 2 pistols burned through a whole case of paint at this year's 2 day Tippmann VS World Challenge game. World lost anyway!
My poor zeus has had over 30,000 paintballs through it in the 3 years I've had it :D .


Turbo Chicken, that's half the fun! If you don't get hit you're not playing hard enough!

Rob