I was thinking that since I do a lot of writing (and am now on the team) and have even completed a book once, unpublished though, that maybe we could rewrite some of the dialogue in CT. I mean, it's good, but it was not only censored in the original version but also a bit exaggerated at times. Also, I think (SPOILER ALERT) that when Crono is ressurrected that it maybe should have had a bigger impact than it really did. Just a suggestion, if you guys wanna do an exact rewrite than that's okay.

If there are to be any changes at all, I recommend you change the storyline in order (and only for) making the story more powerful. There are some rare times when it seems just a tad loose. I agree that when Crono dies, there should be a bit more dialogue on the subject... it would only make sense, afterall.


Anyway... not a bad idea; but its up to the head developers to make that decision. Either way, I wouldn't really mind.

Actually, I've never thought of that before. That's a fantastic idea. I mean, it's not changing the storyline or anything, just improving on the original. And that's what we're all about, right?

-John

I agree, as long as you don't make it sound too "modern." :)

Yes, of course the story itself would be completely untouched. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I just wanna change the way some of it is presented is all.

I can see it now;


Frog: "Sup cracka. Howsith hangin?"
Chrono: "You crazy sob frawg, you wanna go bust up some Lavos?"
Frog: "Werd."

lol no...for some reason I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If you're not, then that would be horrible. If you are, then that is funny as crap! No, really, lol.

I mean just make some of the situations a little more mature...just make them sound better. I don't want to butcher the dialogue.

Well, the orgianl us release of Chrono Triggerwas heavily modded. But if you didn't know this, the PS re-release was the full orginal jap in english. I've played it (i own it) and there is alot in there that was not in the orginal 95 usa release. Although i do think adding alittle to the story line would be cool.

Actually I was referring to the PS version...I thought it was just a direct port of the SNES version (with movies, of course)? Oh, because that's the only version I own. My bad then.

Nope. The PS version is a total upgrade from the orginal usa 1995 release.

:huh: I feel stupid for asking this cause I've played both versions multiple times, but what were the differences between the ps and Snes versions aside from the movies and a few sound effects(and freakish loading time).

Bottom line: Not much, friend.

-John

:huh: Are you talking about giving it more of a romantic feel between Marle and chrono..?

didnt think about that but that may be a good idea...

I suppose it isn't THAT bad of the idea, but if you are going to plan such a change; you must realize that the characters MUST retain their character. There was a "Romance" thing going on between Crono and Marle, but it wasn't really shown that often. If you want to add some detail to that aspect of the relationship, then I recommend you merely make it a little more obvious that they actually like eachother.

If you had never played before, and had started the game around the middle of it; you probably would never know about the relationship between Crono and Marle. Then again, I wouldn't want the game to be turned into a big love story. As mentioned earlier, if you want to make changes... take themes already seen in the game; and make them more powerful. :ph43r:

I just want to make the love story a little less subtle. There are a few hints at it in the game, such as that dream Crono has about them being married, when they are together at the Millenial Fair, and when he is ressurrected.

I have wrote a book before (unpublished) and since I feel I am a fairly good writer I was thinking that since I'm doing some level design for the mod that maybe I could revamp some of the writing too.

You definitely have the right idea, Apoc, in keeping the original spirit of the game. I would like to see you on the team, perhaps...dont you know programming?

:huh: I'd like to see a little more involvement between the too (Chrono and marle.). But I don't know if you should adjust the writing. It would be a little much maybe.

Well Knives, I am quite flattered (for lack of a better word) that you think I should be on the team. At the moment, I am useless... as I am still oblivious when it comes to Unreal. Sure, I do know C++; but Unreal (though similar) still has it's differences...

As I see it, I probably wont be capable of being much help until I have time to learn about Unreal... and I probably wont until summer. I really can't promise anything on that subject though. If I feel that I can be of assistance (after researching Unreal), then you may rest assured that I would like to help the project. B)

I do know alot about Rpg standards... as well as have a multitude of information on Chrono Trigger. In fact, I've also been known for being a great game reviewer as well. For now though, I think i'd be more helpful as a mere... advisor, of sorts. :blink:

That's okay, Apoc. However you have some really good ideas, and maybe we could use you as a Conceptual Designer of sorts. :D

Here's a good question: is the actual dialogue going to still be WRITTEN or will there be some voiceovers? I'm sure some of us (the community) can help out with voices on pedestrians...or you could do this FFX style, having the important stuff voiced out and the other stuff simply read by the player.

If it was me running the mod, I'd have a hard time choosing. What do you guys think?

Hey, got any more room for another think tank? lol.

I think that some changes need to be made to the dialogue. Like Drakken said they shouldnt be too modern. But when they were written they were written a little dry and too few. Ayla's cave woman talk, for example, could use a little bit of revamping. It sounds like a forced hollywood interpretation on how cavemen should talk. Glenn didn't talk with the shakespearian tounge, but when he became frog then he became more proper? Lucca never seems frustrated and almost always figures out the problem quickly. Crono, Marle, And lucca all sound like adults, when we all know theyre still teenagers. And so on and so forth...

Now im not talking about very drastic changes but rather fitting the dialogue to the person. If you guys go and re-play the game you'll see what i mean.

The dialogue is all right, but it could use some minor tweeks.

I think changing a little bit of the dialogue wouldn't hurt. Only where it is very neccesary however. What you pointed out with Glenn talking normal-style and then turning into Frog and picking up an oldschool tounge is a good point.

Change the dialogue to meet the expectations of the character, but while allowing the dialogue to have the same message. I see your point about the dialogue... and it does make some sense. I wouldn't change it TOO drastically, however. Keep in mind, we don't want Robo to make beeping sounds, or for Chrono/Marle/Lucca to be talking slang. <_<

Do it if you feel it needs to be done, but do it cautiously. :unsure:

of course, I think any dialogue changes would be to simply correct discrepancies in the dialogue, not to change the nature of the game.

:huh: more people in the past could talk like frog does... excluding magus a crew though.

:huh: I mean his dialolect not his gribbit sorry

I was wondering, cause your playing crono in the snes version he doesnt say anything except for in one ending. Maybe we could actually give the poor man some dialogue.

Melcoir, and the other gurus could all talk the same way, im not sure if they didnt. But they should talk like the rest of the royalty of Zeal.

NAturally we dont want our teenagers to talk slang. but there is an undeniable fact that the dialogue was written to just get it written fast so they could release it in america.

No I don't want the teens talking in slang, that would totally suck. I just want the dialogue to be a little more natural. I plan on posting some samples soon from some things I write in my free time to show you what I mean by "natural."

As for Chrono not saying anything, I actually felt that this made CT a little more creative because you never know exactly what the main character is thinking, similar to the Zelda series. To me that method is not for making the player feel more immersed, it actually works better for giving a more ambiguous feeling to the game, leaving the player to figure out his thoughts for his or herself.

I agree Knives.
I mean, think of it this way.

When I first played Final Fantasy VIII, I seen there wasnt A single voice in the game. (Exept for that one scene in the Ragnoarok with squall & rinoa...AND IT WAS A SONG)
Well when I was playing it...I could imagine there voices, giving the game more depth.
And more imagination going through your head.

So I think giving crono lines...is like just following instructions.
Because give him lines and he will say stuff like "YAH! lets go to the guardia forest and kiss some ass" But instead you want to go...(this is just for an example) Zeal.

You can go, but you feel your missing out on somthing.






So I vote NO! for Chrono's Lines

Either you wrote that poorly, I'm misinterpreting it, or you have conflicting ideas concerning Crono. I'm not sure whether or not you are supporting the act of giving Crono dialogue, but it's a moot point. Crono was created to be a silent character. Almost every piece of dialogue in the game supports Crono's silence. Therefore, if you were to give Crono lines, much of the dialogue of the game would no longer fit as well as it could, and thus would have to be rewritten. A change of such magnitude would go against the nature of an accurate remake, which is what we have stated we are doing. It is true that in some spots in the game there is an awkward feeling caused by Crono's need to be silent, but if we simply rewrite those parts, we will save ourselves a lot of work, and help preserve the game in its original state.

well it was A combo of both.
I misspelled a few words.

And I meant that I dont think crono should have lines :lol:

You've done that before. Actually, I think almost everyone around here has, so I wouldn't worry about it. As far as Crono's vocal ineptitude goes, I'm glad we're on the same page.