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Title: Human Rights
Description: Is America really the place for it?


TalB - April 17, 2003 10:28 PM (GMT)
It has always been the case about what are the rights yet some people are treated as if they don't even don't even exist. This has been done by denying people who are minorities or mistreated by mobs the right to a fair trial or anything. In autocracies, people are killed or imprisoned for criticizing the government just by using free speach. This is known very much by 3rd world nations. However, modern nations have been known for treating others badly as well. For example, in Europe, Jews were persecuted whether or not they were found guilty by the courts even if they were innocent of all charges. People have always believed if America was the place for human rights and that was found to be misleading at times. When the US Constitution was created it had a law known as the three-fifths compromise, which dissallowed certain people from being counted as citizens. African-Americans were counted only as a fraction of a person, while women didn't even count at all. The main group of America was the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant), who believed that their backgrounds are the true Americans and discriminated against all others who didn't have all of the above. Minority groups too were given unfair trials and arrested whether or not they were guilty. When blacks were slaves, they couldn't go to court against their owners even if they wanted to. The Sacco and Vincetti case was the most nativist case ever known in American history. These two innocent men were not responsible for the crime they committed yet they were still imprisoned, and it was not overturned for nearly 50 years to which they died before then. It didn't matter what proof they had to be innocent, it was that they were Italian and the people didn't like them. When the Jews wanted to escape from Europe when Hitler came to power they were turnned around, and had to go back to Europe as a result of the coast gaurd. In 1868, the 14th ammendment was passed giving everybody equal protection yet there were ways to get around it by using the Jim Cro Laws in the south. Before this amendment was passed, states were seen differently and did not have to follow the US Bill of Rights and even found ways to get around it even after it was passed. Some of the Supreme Court cases in the mid 20th century were able to apply the Bill of Rights to states more usefully. Even today these problems exists. For example, the law says that the defendant can appeal their case yet to some people that is denied. The law does not say who can march in the street and who cannot. Also, there is no rule that says who has to right to one thing and who doesn't. When the constitution was written it was done by white, wealthy, landowners hence the term, "All Men are created Equal" didn't really mean that everybody had that right. Nobody is to be denied the same rights that others can be granted.

TalB - April 27, 2003 11:59 PM (GMT)
Sometimes to ensure human rights the federal government had to take away power from the states and give it to themselves. This way more people would be treated equally. Of course sometimes giving equality means sacrafices to those who already have rights. In Article I at Section 10, the constitution mentions the powers that are denied to the states. Before these things were allowed under the Articles of Confederation. It was found to be unstable, b/c the rules were too broad, only a select group had all the say, the majority of at least 51% usually meant that the minority didn't even exist, one of the governments was overthrown, the New England states wanted to secede to Canada, the Mid-Atlantic states arrested minority groups without taking them to court, and cotton in the Southern states was much more expensive than imported cotton from Britian. This prooved that without having a strong, central government America could have went back into being British again. Even voting was considered unequal. At first, only white men who were at least 21 years of age, owned property, and payed taxes got the right to vote. Then, in the 1820's all white men got to vote and eliminates ownership of property. In 1870, all men were allowed the right despite their race. In 1920, women finally got the right to vote. Finally in 1971, the voting age was reduced from 21 down to 18. Of course what was not mentioned was that residents in DC got to vote after 1961 and any type of barriers to voting was outlawed in 1964. It used to be the case that if you couldn't vote then you didn't have a say in anything.

TalB - May 9, 2003 09:54 PM (GMT)
It was ironic that America fought for freedom in other parts of the world historically but they rarley did it in their own country. Why would they want to end slavery in Africa durring the 1820's when they are still owning slaves in their own country? It just made no sense. America is very well known for even being in a double standard which includes things such as discrimination, imperialism, trade, punishment, etc. It was more like America wanted to tell the world what to do, while they can do whatever they wanted. In 1948, the UN issued out articles on the human rights and what defined them yet only 30 nations actually follow them well while the others including America didn't.

TalB - May 13, 2003 07:09 PM (GMT)
Even recently human rights were being violated in America. One of them was the Rodney King chase, which he was beaten up on a highway in LA by the police for refusing to pull over and the officers were aquitted by an all white jury. Another one was the shooting of Amadou Diallo, who was killed by the police men who though he was looking for a gun when it really was his ID that he was trying to get and was killed by them. Others included the Crown Heights incident were a black man killed a Hasidic Jew who wasn't even convicted until the case went up to the federal level, and the dagger was contaminated by the police to believe that he didn't do it. Finally, there was a time that when a black man got pulled over despite the fact that he wasn't speeding yet got his liscense revoked despite that. Sadly, America's justice system isn't as equal as it was said to be and still has its flaws. The 3 parts go as followed: Minorities commit more crimes. The system is racist. America is a racist society. All this coming the land of the free?

TalB - May 13, 2003 09:55 PM (GMT)
Some songs that I hear seems to protest the way America is like towards others.

Avril Lavine-Complicated
Phil Collins-You will be in my Heart
Holl 'n Oats-Do it for Love
Linkin Park-I Want to Run Away
Roxanne-Listen to Your Heart
Madonna-Frozen
Eminem-Loose Yourself
Bruce Hornesby-That's the Way it is
Shair-Turn Back Time
Soul IV Real-I Believe
Areo Speed Wagon-This Feeling
Backstreet Boys-As Long as You Love Me
Gorillaz-Useless
Don Hennly-End of the Inoncence
POD-Youth of a Nation

TalB - May 14, 2003 02:38 PM (GMT)
Speaking of Amadou Diallo, Wheeler Ave in the Bronx will be nicknamed after him as "Amadou Diallo Place" in honor of his death and why racial profiling was wrong.

savethewtc - May 14, 2003 08:19 PM (GMT)
Tal,

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