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Title: Official Defence Force Pool Creation Thread


Christopholous - June 24, 2003 05:29 PM (GMT)
Good day fellow Canadians,
It is time we form a concrete Regional Defence Army.

Should any nation within Canada be in chaos, the Nation can request regional defence forces to be sent as peace keepers to restore stability.

Should there be an outside threat from another region, or nation, we can have the military forces to defend ourselves.

The Ministry of Defence encourages all nations of Canada to use this thread for the purpose of donating forces for a regional army.

All donated forces will be compiled into a Force Pool that will be published once enough nations have contributed forces.

Donating forces is optional. Any nation that Donates forces to the Force Pool can withdraw them at any time for any reason.

Thank You,
From Defence Minister Christopholous.

bweezy - June 26, 2003 02:21 AM (GMT)
Bweezystan would consider commiting some troops to the proposed Regional Defence Army ("RDA"). However, we would be much more amenable to doing so if the RDA were created at the same time as a Canada Mutual Defence Pact ("CMDP").

It is Bweezystan's understanding that the point of the RDA is to have a small but cohesive army with representatives from many of Canada's nations who would be able to act quickly in time of chaos or emergency. Bweezystan supports the creation of such an army.

However, Bweezystan's greater concern is that the proposed RDA would be unable to address any situaitons which would require a larger force with a longer term committment, such as in a time of invasion or war.

As such, Bweezystan respectfully submits that as a complement to the RDA, that we simultaneously create the CMDP. Simply put, members of the CMDP would commit the forces necessary to come to the defense of a fellow CMDP member nation during a time of war or disaster where the RDA requires increased forces and resources.

Membership in teh CMDP would not require one to donate forces to the RDA, though it would be strongly encouraged that each CMDP nation would donate at least a token amount of forces to the RDA. Likewise, CMDP membership would not be a prerequisite to sending forces to the RDA, though they would be encouraged to join in on the CMDP at the time they donate forces to the RDA.

In making this proposal, Bweezystan hopes to enhance security of the Region, by supporting the RDA which will be equipped to handle short term and smaller situations, and also create security during larger scale epidodes, through the triggering of the Mutual defense provision of the CMDP.

Thoughts?

Christopholous - June 26, 2003 03:00 PM (GMT)
Can you clarify why you think a "CMDP" could handle large scale invasions better?
Are you refering to having multiple nations, that are part of this pact that will work to endorse our delegate incase a bunch of invading nations arrive?

The purpose of the Regional Defence Army, is to be a large army that is commanded and controlled by the Canadian Regional Government.
Nations donate forces for this regional army, when they donate the troops, they are allowing the troops to be used by the government. The troops are sent to the regional "Force Pool" which would be published so Canadians can see the size of the Regional Army. In times of emergency because of a trans-regional war, the government can quickly and easily use the troops from the Regional Defence Army pool.

Correct me if im wrong, but in your proposed CMDP, member nations would all have to be informed first, and asked to send troops, and this could take hours to days to accomplish when little time is available. It would also be much harder to command since the government cannot command them, each nation would.


But an alternate purpose for a CMDP (and i appologise if this idea is what you meant all along about the CMDP), would be great as a league of nations that work as regional fighters meant to keep the delegate in power through endorsements. So in a way I see how that would be a good to use to help ensure no foreign nations can overthrow our delegate. The CMDP would not be a "big army of troops" it would be a league of nations with UN membership.

So then the CMDP which is a league of nations, would work in conjunction with the RDA, which is a regional army of troops.

so is that what you mean?

bweezy - June 27, 2003 03:53 AM (GMT)
I misunderstood the intent of the regional army. I assumed it would be a small integrated unit with representation from many nation states of Canada, that would be deployed on an emergency needs basis for the benefit of such nations that required military assistance.

I do not agree with the RDA as you set it out. I see no need for a large RDA, when each nation also has its own army that is presumably large enough to meet its own needs.

Further, I am leary about giving up Bweezystan's military sovereignty in favour of a larger regional army.

Bweezystan will have to withdraw support for the RDA. However, its support for the concept of a Canadian Mutual Defense Pact stands.

Las Chupacabras - June 27, 2003 05:22 AM (GMT)
Do you mean that we would pledge our nations to support the delegate against invasion, or on offensive regions, or do you mean we would pledge, say, 4,000 troops to such an army?
I always saw the Army as those Canadian nations with UN memberships who would defend this region against invaders and, if necessary, invade hostile regions and depose their delegates. Simply pledging numbers of troops seems a little academic, given the nature of the game.

Las Chupacabras - June 27, 2003 05:24 AM (GMT)
I think the CMDP format, with Canadian nations pledged to support the delegate and invade other regions if necessary, is appropriate, but these forces would all be under the government's command once volunteered.

bweezy - June 27, 2003 01:02 PM (GMT)
Los Chupacabras' interpretation of the CMDP sounds reasonable. Once volunteered, there would have to be a central command in any event in order to coordinate all these forces. Since the government is already in place, it makes sense to put them under government control once an event has triggered the Mutual Defense provisions of the CMDP.

Christopholous - June 27, 2003 11:01 PM (GMT)
CMDP sounds ok
from what i understand its a league of nations peldge to keep the delegate in power? Although I would have assumed that if our delegate was in trouble, people in the region would naturally kick in and endorse him/her. Having to be part of a special club to protect our delegate seems more like it could only serve to isolate our delegate from the endorsment power of the rest of the region.

about the RDA,
being someone experienced in regional wars and internal ones, its good to have "troops" on hand to enhance the game. I was asking for donations of "Troops" from nations.

Its nothing to be warry about and I dont see how it compromises the sovereignty
of a nation.
Nations have the option of donating troops to a regional army commanded by the government, and can withdraw them. Nations can donate any number of troops they want from their army, they're not supposed to donate their entire army if thats what your thinking!



Kandiyohi County - July 20, 2003 01:32 AM (GMT)
Can individuals volunteer for the regional army? KC doesn't have a standing army & we don't really foresee ever needing one (what, someone might really want to take over our buffalo herds? or commandeer our bike-powered blender technology?) but I'm sure there are citizens who would like to dress up in uniforms and march around some foreign country.

sandorski - August 7, 2003 07:53 AM (GMT)
Sandorkia is willing to contribute a modest contingent. However, Sandorskia is more concerned with the integration of forces and feel that War Games and other Multi-National exercises should be pursued, so that if need be, all of the forces in our great region of Canada can function together efficiently, effectively, and safely.

Sandorskia would fully support a Regional Coordination of Advanced Defence Research, thus strengthening our Regions Forces without inefficient duplication.




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