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Title: Voting on UN Resolutions
Description: Try to set up a bit of momentum...


The True Domination - February 18, 2004 01:00 PM (GMT)
It seems like there's more and more poorly constructed UN resolutions being passed lately. I'd like the region to look at ways to stem this growing trend.

I have a few ideas, but I'd just like to put the idea on the table for general discussion for now. If you have any ideas that you think will help, post them here so that we can at least get a discussion going on this matter.

bweezy - February 18, 2004 01:44 PM (GMT)
Long ago, I had posted an idea of creating a council whereby Canada would look at old, flawed resolutions, and propose amendments.

My general idea was as follows:

1. Pick the weak resolutions;
2. Draft a well worded amendment;
3. Propose it; and
4. Message each UN Delegate asking them to support it.

Part 4 would require A LOT of work, as there are over 2000 delegates, hence, my "UN Team" would require many devoted members to help out with that task.

The other option, of course, would be to "ally" with a few other regions who could help out.

This "solution" though does absolutely nothing to stop poorly worded UN Resolutions from getting passed in the first place, which is its fundamental flaw.

DrunkenHosers - February 22, 2004 12:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (bweezy @ Feb 18 2004, 08:44 AM)
Part 4 would require A LOT of work, as there are over 2000 delegates, hence, my "UN Team" would require many devoted members to help out with that task.

I like the general idea, Bweezy, and I'd be interested in getting involved. However, I don't think that step 4 is strictly necessary. If we review the proposals before they get into the queue, we can suggest changes directly to the proponent. That, and some advocacy in the UN forum might be sufficient.

Carbanousa - February 22, 2004 01:29 AM (GMT)
Problem is though, once they get to the approval stage, there is very little that can be done to ammend them saved submitting a resolution proposal to ammend the initial proposal which would couble everybody's work. I think Bweezy's earlier post of 'proof readers' was a corking idea and one definately to be looked into in conjunction with the 4 point action plan. This is defninately something I'd be interested in following up depending on how it develops and I'll stay glued to this forum to watch with baited breath.
On the other hand, if Canada's ally's were used to ease this task it could make for strengthening relations with other Regions. I think that 'weak' proposals are something that are going to be a recurring theme as some proposals are not taken seriously - take 'Green Man' for example. There were a number of seriously daft proposals that should have been filtered out before they even hit the approval stage. It's all a matter of perspective. ;)

The True Domination - February 22, 2004 02:47 PM (GMT)
Bweezy's ideas are great for bringing change to existing UN legislation, so I'd like to expand on what's been proposed so far.

When I was delegate, I endorsed very few proposals. I used to get a ton of TG messages asking for support on this one and that one, which I would read with due dilligence, and in the end, only a handful ever got my approval. The ones that did usually had some sort of humorous twist that made them stand out from the usual "notwithstanding this," or "furthermore that." The problem is that 99% of what gets submitted is pounded out in a few minutes by any wingnut that has a brain fart and thinks its a great idea.

That being said, I think the solution lies somewhere between the submission phase and the resolution phase.

One under-used tool that can be used in a very persuasive and powerful way is the UN forum on NS. You can find it here, and with a bit of co-ordination, we can make a huge difference.

The other idea that I have is to encourage Bweezy (or whatever player holds the delegate spot) to use his/her judgement and vote on a resolution as soon as possible after it's put to a vote with a view that his/her vote can be changed after the region votes on it here. Hopefully, this will set up a bit of momentum from the start.

Micon - February 22, 2004 04:45 PM (GMT)
Thats a great idea TD, vote on the proposal the way the delegate feels and then change based on the views of the nations of Canada if nessesary. That way our delegates could potentially sway the voters in our direction even if it is slightly.

Carbanousa - February 22, 2004 08:19 PM (GMT)
TD raises a number of interesting points. If a delegate were to vote yes, for arguments sake, the momentum caused by discussion may actually mean that those who are overtly opposed or in favour get involved.
I tend to agree that most porposals are pounded out with very little thought.
QUOTE
I think the solution lies somewhere between the submission phase and the resolution phase.

This would be quite tricky to implement: but if enough brainpower was used, not withstanding brain farts (sorry TD - couldn't help it), it should be comparitively simple to put underway. :D

Micon - February 23, 2004 02:57 AM (GMT)
One way to deal with the issue may be to put it in the constitution that the Delegate shall initially vote with the wishes of Canada after the second day of voting of the UN proposal. Followed by an update of the vote cast prior to the closing of the UN poll.

Very roughly worded but may help.

Carbanousa - February 23, 2004 05:01 PM (GMT)
I like the idea Micon, it could definately be the beginnings of something to work on. B)




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