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Title: The Twoslit Experiment
Description: North Pacific delegate "tyrannical"?


Checkers McDog - February 14, 2004 01:24 AM (GMT)
I don't know if anyone else here has come across it, but the following has been posted on several other regions' off-site forums by Midatlantia.

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Ladies and Gentleman, I come to you today with grevious news. It has recently been revealed to me, that the delegate for The North Pacific, The Twoslit Experiment, is, in no uncertain terms, an oppressive dictator. I realize this must sound outrageous, and were I to hear this allegation a week ago, I would of scoffed at it, but this is the only conclusion I can come to, given his recent actions. At first I had undying respect for Twoslit, when I started being active in the forum, he welcomed me graciously. All seemed well, he did not seem tyrannical, he always voted the popular choice, not his beliefs, for U.N. resolutions.

He always made sure to get approval from the regional government before banning, and was busy organizing the North Pacific Army to defend the region from region crashers. It would seem as though he left nothing to be desired. Then it came to my attention that he ejected two nations, Nootroughsis and Domocolees, simply because they were soon to overtake him as delegate. The reason he used is that they were not active in the forum enough.

Last time I checked, democracy meant that whoever had the most votes, won the election, not that whoever was in power ensured that they stayed in power. When a leader ensures that he/she will retain their power through illegal means, they are no longer a democratically elected leader, they are a self appointed leader, otherwise known as a tyrant. But alas, I still accepted Twoslit's explanation, and did not raise any eyebrows. I was active in the forum and becoming involved in the regional government. I was generally enjoying myself. Until I got into a debate with the nation of Sydia, in the U.N. proposal area. We were debating the merits and downsides of a resolution to ban child soldiers.

At first the arguement was enjoyable, and respectful. Until, Sydia, resorted to personal attacks. (S)he implied that I was an inferior being because I was 15, that I had a napoleanic complex, that my actions were "bemusing and erratic", (s)he called me a child, (s)he stated I had a superiority complex, (s)he suggested I retract my statements, (s)he suggested I not reply to her personal attacks, (s)he suggested my arguements "were poor and have no base whatsoever", (s)he stated I had conducted no research whatsoever, (s)he suggested I had no cohesive arguement, that I was making petty quips, that I was a hypocrite, that I was "woefully ignorant", that I was "pathetic" and "immature." When I attempted to defend my self from these malevolent attacks, I was censored, requiring I get "modarator approval" before I make any posts.

But the issue at hand is not Sydia, it is Twoslit. Twoslit is the one who censored me because I made the statement: "Yes, we must retort to personal attacks, our honor demands it." Upon being censored and publically slandered, I typed an impassioned defense, but alas, it did not recieve "moderator approval." The reason for this is obvious, it contained scathing words for Twoslit and his hypocrisy. While he is so quick to criticize francos spain, he in fact mirrors him with many of his policies.

Now I am unable to defend myself, and this public post is being viewed by hundreds of people, all coming away with an unfavorable opinion of me as a result. I will not stand for this tyranny, hypocrisy, slander, libel, and all together lack of morals. This is why I must urge you to defeat Twoslit and his evil regime. I have devoted my life, both digital and real, to fighting oppression, and this is why I must engage in this campaign.

If you have no compassion, and find it acceptable for the North Pacific to languish in dictatorship, then do nothing. If you are one who has no compassion for your fellow humans, and find it acceptable for your brothers and sisters to suffer under tyranny, then do nothing. If you are one, who is, or who has no problem with, evil, then do nothing. But if you are of the chosen few, those who do not stand for oppression, those who devote their lives to freedom and the pursuit of happiness, then this is your time.

This is your time to strike a blow against hatred, greed, and most of all evil. Because there is no other word that accurately describes it. Those who would conspire to take away your liberties, to strip you of your freedom, can only be described as evil. When the purpose of a government is no longer to serve its citizens, and is in instead for the citizens to serve it, it is tyranny.

This is by no means a vanity campaign. This is not so that I can be uncensored, or for Twoslit to apologize, this is a campaign to unseat Twoslit and his "old boys club" that has ruled the North Pacific for months. I have tried to reason with Twoslit, but he cannot be reasoned with. I believe a quote by Thomas Paine is as applicable now,as it was in 1777. "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country, but he who stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and women."

This our duty, this is our curse, we are the free.

Threads referred to above:
http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacif...p?showtopic=450
http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacif...p?showtopic=406
http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacif...p?showtopic=451
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what do you all think of this situation?

hudson bay - February 14, 2004 01:28 AM (GMT)
I'll ask Micon to give us an update on NP...

Blackshear discribed this as:

"However, a perception has arisen among some that only the close friends of the inner circle have a legitimate chance to rise to the top. This was reinforced by an incident of mistaken censure this weekend. In an effort to change this perception, we're in very early discussions to frame our own constitution and set up elections."

hudson bay - February 14, 2004 01:35 AM (GMT)
Micon's report:

Nothing much has been happening in the NP. As of now they have not been doing any thing with unseating FS.

They are trying to have an election but not with a constitution or ministers but with moderators for their offsite forum.

Very disorganized.

Checkers McDog - February 14, 2004 01:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hudson bay @ Feb 13 2004, 08:35 PM)
They are trying to have an election but not with a constitution or ministers but with moderators for their offsite forum.

they're electing moderators? :huh:

Micon - February 14, 2004 02:31 AM (GMT)
Hi eveyone

I gave HB a report based on info I thought he had. I will give you guys an update that you might find interesting. It somewhat supports checkers post.

Stand By.

Micon - February 14, 2004 02:34 AM (GMT)
This is a telegram that was sent to my puppet nation in the NortH Pacific


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Hello North Pacific neighbor! I've telegrammed you because I have grown concerned over the actions of our delegate, The twoslit experiment.

Recently, The twoslit experiment ejected two nations, Nootroughsis and Domocolees, simply because they had a lot of endorsements and were challenging him for the delegates seat. These actions do not seem very democratic to me.

In fact, the only nations that The twoslit experiment deems worthy of challenging him for the delegate seat are his hand-picked best friends.

These very undemocratic actions have caused me to unendorse him, as I would like to have a truly democratic delegate who would let anyone challenge him/her for the delegates seat.

Please consider unendorsing our current delegate, The twoslit experiment, for a truly free and democratic North Pacific. Thank you for your time.


I have sent a reply to several of my contacts but I have not heard back yet.

I look forward to your comments Checkers.

Checkers McDog - February 14, 2004 03:01 AM (GMT)
In any case such as this I guess it's impossible to get the facts completely unbiasedly, so it's not certain that what we hear is actually what's happening.

but I agree with whoever sent you that tg, it's incredibly undemocratic to only allow certain nations challenge his position.

hudson bay - February 14, 2004 03:36 PM (GMT)
Blackshear indicated this was done in error. Micron was there no discussion of the "error" in the region?

Micon - February 14, 2004 07:14 PM (GMT)
I did not see any discussion of the error just nations complaining. Like I said earlier my TG's were not returned.

Give them them the benifit of the doubt. If twostlit is a dictator we will see in time.

I will spend some time checking out the forum and see if there is anything new.

Micon - February 14, 2004 07:24 PM (GMT)
This has been posted by twoslit earlier today.

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I notice that Nootroughsis seems to have no concern for the 600+ nations that he persuaded to endorse him.

He has been welcome to return and regain those endorsements for over a month, yet obviously he feels that he will not be able to do so with everyone knowing his character. Furthermore, he has demonstrated that he has no loyalty to this region.

If he returns and regains his endorsements, then I will certainly not ban him.

If people want him or some other stranger in the delegate's chair fully knowing that he may turn out like Francos Spain, then that shall have to be allowed.

If people in this region endorse others blindly, then we can all learn to live with the consequences.

The people of The Pacific have learned to live with the consequences. Or else they have been banned from the region.

Some people base their decision to endorse someone for delegate on the fact that "he endorsed me, so I'm going to endorse him"

More than once a nation has risen to the delegate's chair in a feeder region by telegramming every nation in the region saying "I have endorsed you, will you please endorse me?"

Recently The Savage Lands used a puppet, The People's Republic of Crusher of Hypocrites, to inform EVERYONE IN THIS REGION
(One of his puppets was deleted for spamming, although I don't have any idea why they only banned the one puppet, and that, too, not the one doing the spamming of this region.)
that I ejected Nootroughsis and Domocolees "merely because they had too many endorsements."
I have received telegrams from many people ready to believe this. They had completely ignored the topics on these two nations, even though the topic on Nootroughsis was begun more than three months ago.

It is time for people to be aware of the power of telegrams.

Telegrams will not be criticisized by everyone in the region. Telegrams will not be questioned by everyone in the region.
Telegrams WILL present ONE POINT OF VIEW.

(In a public forum everyone is able to read an analysis made by anyone else and judge the merits and demerits of that analysis.)

Yet, telegrams are and will always be the main form of communication between nations.

ZeroPostive became delegate about eight months ago. He then ejected Nastic for clearly threatening to overtake him in endorsements. Everyone who was here at the time remembers that the ejection of Nastic was a tyrannical act.

When Nastic was ejected, I and others telegrammed each person in this region informing them of the situation. BECAUSE OF THESE TELEGRAMS ZeroPositive began losing over fifty endorsements per day. ZeroPositive then allowed Nastic back into the region.

Crusher of Hypocrites, a nation of 5 million people at the time (i.e., clearly created for the purpose), and other puppets of The Savage Lands, telegrammed everyone in this region, and continue to telegram everyone in this region, saying that Nootroughsis and Domocolees were ejected for having too many endorsements. However, it is clearly stated in this topic that they were ejected for being untrustworthy and behaving suspiciously. Unfortunately, only those who bother to read these forums are aware of the reasons for their ejection.

The majority of people in this region do not read these forums. WHAT TO DO?

People talk about democracy, but almost no one is participating in this region. Unless people participate, they will not be represented, and no one can claim that the government which leads them is democratic.

This is why I object when fewer than twenty people talk about a "constitution" and "voting."
Francos Spain has a constituion and voting. He even has more than twenty people voicing support for his constitution and his voting. YET HE IS THE MOST OPPRESSIVE TYRANT IN THIS GAME!

I shall summarize by quoting Mohandas Kiramchand Gandhi, known as Mahatma Gandhi because he selflessly worked for the benefit of his people:

“Non- cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good”


Apparently this has been going on for months in their section called Ban list. At the time it did not seem significant, but obviously it does now.

More on this later.

Micon

Micon - February 19, 2004 10:26 PM (GMT)
After Checking in on the North Pacific Offsite Forum I have found that two slit has been replaced as delegate by Wilkshire. They are still both close in endorsements.

There is also a heated discussion about endorsement swapping. The significant nations in the NP are very adament about swapping but it would be very difficult and time consuming to not swap to get 500+ endorsements. -_-



bweezy - February 19, 2004 10:28 PM (GMT)
Has the transfer of power been smooth? Have both sides been cooperating?

Micon - February 19, 2004 11:31 PM (GMT)
It looks as if the transfer was smooth. There have not been any posts from twoslit that I can find. Wilkshire seems to have some significant support. There was some transfer back and forth but it appears as if wilkshire became delegate after Feb 15. I think he may have wanted out.

I keep everyone updated on any new happenings.

Blackshear - February 22, 2004 09:50 PM (GMT)
This thread might help enlighten everyone to the relationship of The North Pacific's last three delegates: http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_North_Pacif...owtopic=542&hl=

On another note, Midatlantia has been deleted from NationStates. No one seems to know why, yet.

Micon - February 23, 2004 02:16 AM (GMT)
Hi Blackshear

Thanks for the info.

Blackshear - February 23, 2004 04:18 AM (GMT)
No problem.

Update: Midatlantia was deleted for having multiple UN nations.

Carbanousa - February 23, 2004 09:21 PM (GMT)
As Checkers said:
In any case such as this I guess it's impossible to get the facts completely unbiasedly, so it's not certain that what we hear is actually what's happening.

Although it certainly seems strange that the Nation that started to let others know the situation disappeared. From two-slits post he certainly seems dedicated, although his methods are unsound.
In my opinion, we should watch and see what happens with Wilkshire. If two-slit becomes Delegate agin and Wilkshire is ejected and banned, something is definately up that's worth further investigation.
I've been MSNing Boardz who's got the lowdown. He said he may have a goosey tomorrow.

Blackshear - February 24, 2004 04:44 AM (GMT)
Twoslit can ban nations. He cannot delete nations. Only mods can do that.

Midatlantia is still active on our boards and there is still some confusion as to why he was deleted. I'm not sure why this is being made into such a big issue. Two publicly apologized to Midatlantia and has recently given him diplomatic status. Does that sound vindictive?

But of course, don't take my word for it. Please visit the boards yourself and PM anyone concerned.

Correction: Two can't ban anyone from the region as he's not the delegate. As a forum moderator, he can ban members from our off-site forum.

Carbanousa - February 24, 2004 01:49 PM (GMT)
That I'm aware of. It's still a concerning thought though. I wouldn't say vindicitive, but definately worth keeping an eye one which is what is being done.

Blackshear - February 24, 2004 04:46 PM (GMT)
In case anyone is interested, according to Cogitation (a NS mod), Midatlantia was deleted due to abusive telegrams.

Carbanousa - February 25, 2004 05:40 PM (GMT)
Fair.




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