bear in mind that i havent finished training my whole team yet, so some of these are future move sets, rather than their current ones:

Charizard
Relaxed nature
Blast Burn
Slash
Flamethrower
Seismic toss

Primape
Bold nature
Cross Chop
Mega Kick
Earthquake
Double Team

Raichu
Quirky nature
Light Screen
Thunder
Slam
Thunder Wave

Pidgeot
Brave nature
Agility
Aerial Ace
Double-Edge
Hyper Beam

Lapras
Lax nature
Ice beam
Surf
Psycic
Body Slam

Muk
Jolly nature
Sludge Bomb
Acid Armour
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?

I need a little help with muk, i dont know many of its moves...
oh and where can i find the move deleter

1 fuschia
two look my twam outlasts yours

first thanx, second whats a "twam" and u neva rated my team

give muk flamethrower, shadowball, sludgebomb, and curse. Some other moves that might work are shadow punch and mean look.

for charizard give it aerial ace, dragon dance, flamethrower, and rockslide

for primape give it earthquake, rockslide, bulk up, and crosschop

for Raichu you could go with a standard thunderdance moveset or a special sweeper. For that you could give it thunderbolt, thunder wave, agility, and hp grass/water/ice.

for pigeot just drop it. Put in a better pokemon. if you really want it, then don't ask me.

Lapras, give it ice beam, surf, psychic, and thunderbolt or a thunderdance moveset, or an annoyer.

There ya go. Ask reaper for even more help, he is way better than me.

Name of pokemon@item held
Nature (EV training)
Attacks

Charizard@leftovers
Lonely (EVs in Att and Spd)
Earthquake
Rockslide
Dragon dance
Overheat

Dragon dance charizard silly and sweep with physical moves. If the enemy sends out skarmory, or any other physical sponge to stop you, overheat n KO them. Be sure to get rid of hazers/phazers first.

Primape
Actually, this pokemon isn't that great. It has very limited moves and its stats aren't that great either. If you want a fighting type, go with medicham.

Medicham@leftovers
Jolly (EVs in Att and Spd)
Bulk up
Recover
Shadowball
Brick break

If you still want to use primeape however, use severest's moveset, although the attacks will be very similar to charizard.

Raichu
Again, it is not the best of the lightning types. Other better lightning type pokemon are jolteon, lanturn and maybe even ampharos.
Nonetheless, you may wanna try this:

Raichu@leftovers
Hasty (EVs in SpAtt and Spd)
Focus punch
Thunderbolt
Agility/Thunderwave
Hp ice

Switch in against a water type. They predict that you are going to use an electric attack and switches in a special sponge, eg blissey. Instead you use focus punch, dealing fatal damage to the special sponge.

Otherwise, go with severest's moveset. HP ice if you feel that they are going to send in a ground type.

Haha pidgeot. Its really one of the worst flying type pokemon out there.
Go with something else. If you want something offensive(you already have 3 offensive pokemon, so it won't be necessary) choose aerodactyl. For a defensive pokemon, skarmory.

And I don't really like lapras. Stats are too dispersed, weak against lightning, grass, fighting. Not very offensive, and not very defensive either. Milotic is much more defensive, and gyarados is alot more offensive (physically though)

Anyway here goes:
Lapras@leftovers
Modest (EVs in HP and SpAtt)
Calm mind
Surf/Ice beam
Toxic
Confuse ray/hail
Milotic is much better at this due to its ability to learn recover.

or

Lapras@leftovers
Modest (EVs in HP and SpAtt)
Calm mind
Surf
Ice beam
Psychic

Get water absorb and switch in against a water attack when low on health. It heals you :).

Muk@leftovers
Adamant (EVs in Hp and Att)
Explosion
Sludge bomb
Shadow punch/Hp ghost
Curse

Use shadow punch/Hp ghost if you predict a ghost switching in. Explode when low on health.

ooooookay...... to quote...er the one who used a dark pokemon team in the G/S/C pokemon league elite 4 "strong pokemon, weak pkemon, that is the selfish perception of people-truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favourites" that is exactly the basis i constructed my team around, a mixture of my favourite pokemon, and those pokemon who were with me from start to finish (pidgeot, primeape and raichu) muk, charizard and lapras being my favourite ones.
i dont want to seem ungrate ful, but i really wanted adive on movesets of the team i have, ill consider dropping primeape and raichu, mmmmmaaaaaayyyyybbbbeeee
pidgeot, but there is no way in HELL i am dropping any of the others. If your pokemon have a decent enough move set, and u choose the right moves in battle then it IS possible to win with any pokemon (with the possible exeptions of zigzagoon and ratatta.
by the way, the pokemon you suggested as alternate guys are all pokemon i have in either my Ruby or Crystal teams! ^_^

Pidgeot is a must drop if you are gonna go PvP...so is primeape. Lapras isn't very good either, but it will do decently if you get lucky.

And....

Hmmm imagine both alakazam and mewtwo had exactly the same moveset, same nmatures and same EV training. Who would win?

Oh and take note of this if you are going to use medicham:
Medicham has a pathetic 60 base Att stat, but it is boosted to 120 with its ability, pure power.
Should you fight a skill swapper, switch out immediately. Fortunately, most pokemon that learn skill swap are not physical attackers/sweepers.

good point, but if the trainer using mewtwo is s*** , then.... and baring in mind Alakazam is faster(i think ?) lead with a light screen and reflect, then follow up with some TM u gave it-Mega Kick or something(don't know if it can learn shodow ball/punch) but a crappy mewtwo trainer would ignore the light screen and the not very effective and just go with psychic ^_^

oh, and ive decided to take your very wise advice and take medicham(partly as i considered taking one any way *no, seriously i did, im not makin it up!* )and ill swap pidgeot..shame i really liked him......but i dont really like Skarmory..so slow!
and i might go with lantern as my electric...but i was going for a more sort of fast, offensive pokemon (as u can tell from my movesets and pokemon i am very much into the "the best defense is offense" philosophy! (with the execption of muk, who i just think is really cool ^_^
and i love lapras, no matter what any one says! :P

Go with magnentric (sp?) or jolteon then for a speedy one.

Manetric is worse than raichu.

Mewtwo is faster.

Its Att really sucks. Shadowball would do less than 100 damage to mewtwo, and megakick would do even less, plus it is less accurate.

Nope. The best defence is.....defence!
It takes Alakazam 6 calm minds followed by 2 psychics to take down a blissey, and skarmory, or worse still, weezing, would laugh at you even if you threw a focus punch at it.

For a good team, you should have at least 2 sponges, aka damage absorbers, 1 physical and 1 special.
The rest is up to you.

Anyway, have you checked the pokemon of the week thread? I hope it will help you. Oh ya...pls post pokemon you want analysed there, unless it has been done already.

give me some credit here i do no SOMETHING about pokemon teams and tactics..... my sponges r gonna be Muk and Lanturn(who insidently is going to know the infamous "Parafuse technique) lets see em shrug THAT off...hehe (and hey, i no muk isn't exactly Blissey, but after 6 Acid Armours it can with stand ANY physical attack without breaking a sweat, and if i lead with toxic, then i can improve defence whilst damaging the enemy pokemon -"the best defence is defense AND offence" :P

Skarmory will be my physical(another of the pkemon U suggested ;) )
Charizard will be my special and Medicham can handle the awkward situations.....so long as those situations dont involve Darks or Bugs........

It is know, not no.

This is spam. <_<

These cannot be sponges....they will go down in 1 STABed choice banded earthquake.
Muk is a good attacker while lanturn is an annoyer(sorta, no mean look though.)

At least you know about this. :P

There. I've given you credit. :rolleyes:

Use it after your skarmory has laid spikes.
It just tells the opponent "switch out"
And after you have paralysed the entire team, blissey comes and use heal bell. :lol:

You won't get to use 6 acid armours.
Wait....maybe you might...

Enemy switched in skarmory.
Muk used Toxic! It doesn't affect skarmory!

Skarmory used spikes.
Muk used acid armour.

Skarmory used spikes.
Muk used acid armour.

Skarmory used spikes.
Muk used acid armour.

Muk used acid armour.
Skarmory used roar! XXX was dragged out.

Ok you can use 4 times, not 6....but thats not the point. Roar just gets rid of all the defence you have gained over the past few turns.

Alternatively, the opponent can switch in a choice banded flygon to deliver a super effective earthquake and OHKO or 2 hit ko muk. Others that can use earthquake are metagross, salamence, tyranitar, charizard, dragonite......All the wonderful sweepers.

It is better as a physical sweeper...just give it a fire move like overheat to get rid of physical sponges.

So far I haven't found any good special sweepers other than alakazam.
Blissey would slaughter them anyways.

Dark can be gotten rid by fighting type attacks, so medicham would be able to handle that. Bug types are rarely used, but rockslide can get rid of them*.

*
The most common bugs used are subpassing ninjask and heracross.

The former uses substitute until it has 1 hp left, leichi berry kicks in, then it baton passes the attack and speed boosts to the next pokemon. You need a multi-hitting attack like rock blast/fire spin etc to get rid of this one.

The latter is part fighting, making it not weak against rock type attacks. In this case use aerial ace. It would most probably use endure, leaving it with 1 hp. Salac berry would kick in, making it faster than you. Use quick attack or extreme speed to finish it off. Alternatively, use tyranitar's sand stream to KO it right after it has endured the hit.

^_^ that post u made was so god damn cool......ok roar is rarely used in PvP situations, despite its obvious advantages particularly (as you pinted out) when used in conjunction*big word!* with spikes and lanturn is just woopass in general, there are something like two situations it has a disadvantage in, and the only pokemon imune to its parafuse technigue, are ground which will go down in OHKO against a STAB surf. besides, I'll teach muk Overheat as you suggest ed taking care of those nasty, wasty steely types (besides, if muk has already killed some one, maybe |I'll leave him in the feild(i wont lose my bonuses then) sure, he'll die quick but will he die quick enough not to chuck a toxic?
Charizard is a new one on me, as i usually go for the water types but I'll give some physicl attacks -suggestions? aerial ace and focus punch or something

Skarmory always has roar. (unless the person you are up against is a total nooblet)
Also, all pseudohazers have roar/whirlwind.

Which of these would go down after 1 surf by lanturn? None.
And these are the most used sweepers.

Errr....even if muk could learn overheat, it wouldn't do much damage. I meant overheat for charizard. Refer to movesets on my post above.

Explosion is better.

Refer to moveset above, as well as the pokemon of the week thread.

this thread is going round in circles......anyway i said a GROUND pokemon could be OHKO'd with a STAB surf eg. Dugtrio

I have never faced a pokemon with roar in a PvP admittedly ive only ever faced 1 skarmory, but still :P

.
I like toxic better than explosion with explosion one move and its over, but with toxic a quick death that leaves you free to acid armour you *** off and laugh when theyre focus punches do 2 damage. HooHa!(Bruno's laugh)

Firstly, dugtrio's speed would allow it to OHKO you first.
Next, I doubt dugtrio would be OHKOed by lanturn's surf.(I'll confirm later)

Edit: OHKOing it with surf is possible only if your IV for SpAtt is near perfect, has maxed EVs in SpAtt, it does not have a hindering nature, and if dugtrio does not have a beneficial nature.

Thridly, other than dugtrio, claydol, flygon, and maybe rhydon or steelix, ground types are rarely used. Same for rock, where only tyranitar is used.

Good for you. :) You have newbies as opponents and you shld be able to get a good record in your profile.

You throw them a toxic and they would switch out and throw you an earthquake.
That would be followed by a heal bell, especially since now blissey is back.
Explosion is still better.

Use toxic only when you want to force a switch, or when you are using an annoyer.

:unsure: man u are mean.......what is it was toxic, acid armour, sludge bomb and explosion. sure this cuts down his effectiveness against a lot of types, but it makes him kick *** against the others......besides, liking toxic more than explosionis a matter of opinion rather than fact.....and besides, i almost always have a rock/ground in my team, cept' this time, ive had in the past a golem, a dugtrio and a tyranitar

How is this so? :huh:

Oh, and whats with you and acid armour? It really is quite useless. Curse is much better...It increases both defence and attack, while lowering muks already ignorable speed.
Toxic is also only good on pokemon that can trap and take damage.
Another use of toxic is to induce a switch.
(I think its the thrid time i said this already.)

There really is no point using toxic on them, then let them OHKO your muk while they take like 30 damage before they switch in blissey and cure themselves of poison.
You rather explode, lose muk and take down 1 pokemon with you.

Muk KOed xxx.
Enemy sent out flygon!

Flygon used earthquake! Its super effective!
Muk used toxic! (Lets assume that flygon doesn't have choice band, otherwise muk would be dead already)
Flygon was badly poisoned!

Flygon used earthquake! Its super effective!
Muk fainted!
...
You sent out alakazam!
Enemy used psychic! Its not very effective...

Enemy sent out blissey!
Alakazam used calm mind. SpAtt and SpDef increased!

Blissey used heal bell! All team pokemon cured of status errors!
You switched in xxx(some physical sweeper)

Enemy switched in skarmory.
.....

In the end, you lost muk for nothing.

If you used explosion instead, you would have KOed flygon, or seriously damaged any resistant pokemon. If you predict a ghost coming in, use shadow punch to seriously damage them.

Go with the standard cursing muk.

It is a fact that their effectiveness depends on the situation. Explosion is DEADLY on a cursing muk, while toxic is far more dangerous when it is used by an annoyer.(eg. umbreon)

And if you plan on using golem, be very careful....Its insanely low speed and low SpDef doesn't help its 4X weakness to water and grass, and its weakness to ice.
Ice beam and surf are very common moves.

golem was my rock pokemon from the red/blue era, not the current one....and i hate to admitt this...its gonna make me sound like such a nOOb but... the reason I have been arguing in favour of acid armour is...I dont know how to give Muk curse!*winces* :( and why do you assume that ALL my opponents will have blissey, i mean sure, its the best sponge imaginable and no one disagrees with that, but its a -This Word is Banned- to evolve a chansey into one, its a -This Word is Banned- to train and lets face it its just not very cool....and besides a machamp with a cross chop could OHKO it....maybe.if he got a critical hit.and where do i get choice band?

To get curse and shadow punch on muk, get a male dusclops and train it to level 37.
Then breed it with a female grimer/muk to get those two moves onto the baby grimer. Breed until you get one with an adamant nature and with the sticky hold ability.

Nah...not all. But most of those who know what they are doing would have it.

And if you find it hard to level chansey/blissey, wait till you try to train a wobuffet.

Here's an easy way to level blissey:
1.) Trade chansey to RuSa.
2.) Breed and hatch egg in RuSa.
3.) Trade desired offspring to FrLg.
4.) Give it EXP share and EV train it with a maxed EV pokemon.
5.) Proceed to leech off EXP from E-4.

Note:
4.) EXP share gives both the fighting pokemon and the pokemon holding it the same amount of EV. Inflict chansey/blissey with pokerus for faster training.
5.) If you are using a very high level pokemon, put blissey as the first member, then switch to your attacker for even more exp.

It would almost KO it if it has choice band....I think.
Anyway thats why some blisseys have counter. Imagine machamp does 400 damage to blissey, and blissey returns 800 damage to machamp....drools....

To get choice band, you need to participate in the battle tower thingy in RuSa. You might get it after completing the 8th round onwards.
You also might be able to obtain it in colloseum.

A Machamp can't OHKO Blissey without a critical? :blink: Do you know the damage equation? It would be nice to figure that kinda stuff out by myself. :D (AND I MUST GET BLISSEY!)

I know of a website with the eqn...but don't have the url now.
I'll put a link on later.

Edit: Blissey will die to a STABed cross chop.
Here's the URL:
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/compendium/battdam.htm

Wait a minute. According to that website, if I Swords Dance 3 times and then critical hit it will actually do less damage? Is this still true? Because it seems to refer only to Red/Blue.

I don't know about that, but anyway, how often do you critical hit?

Rarely, considering that I use level 70+ Pokemon to OHKO the Elite Four Pokemon most of the time (it isn't memorable to critical a Pokemon if it would have fainted anyway). There aren't that many people who are ready to battle yet. I'm not even ready; I need to finish plotting out my team and actually make it.

oooooookkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyyyy.what do you think about a medicham with meditate, cross chop, swords dance and psychic?

BAD.

Meditate raises Att by one level. Takes too long....
Cross chop is inaccurate...not good on a pokemon which cannot afford to miss.
Psychic....have you seen his stats?
Swords dance...now how do you do a swords dance without blades or swords? Not learnable.

Standard medicham moveset:
Shadowball
Brick break
Bulk up (at least you gain Def)
Rockslide/double edge

If you are going to choice band it, forget bulk up.

Oh and regarding blissey, read this:

By Solomon's nightmare from PFU forums.

Ho-ho-ho-hooooly crapes... Did I read it right? 714??? Seven hundred and fourteen??? SEVEN HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN??? Suddenly I really, really want Blissey. I will be so evil with it. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: That's the looks I'll be getting... hehehe... Anyways... my Medicham in Ruby has that exact moveset (Reaper's), except I have HP Rock instead of Rock Slide, and I'll change that first time I get Fire Red, which won't be for some time as I didn't do as well as I'd like on my first quarter grades...

Your font is offensive, and hurtful to my eyes.
Anyway check the power of your HP rock before replacing it. If it is 70, it is better than rockslide (due to superior accuracy). If not, then get rockslide.
BTW the move tutor teaches the move only once, so you might wanna check to see if it can be bred onto medicham instead. (saves your tutor)

but what about a psychic move?, hey i know nothing about medicham, u suggested him for my team......

Hehe. I'll try not to do that again, but 714 HP is whack.

Well now that sucks. I'll save it for a better Pokemon.

Sweepers should focus on only one area of attack. For Medicham, with its Pure Power, it should focus in physical attack. Giving it Psychic means giving up personality bonus and splitting EVs down, cutting its effectiveness.

Not entirely true.
Its just that medichams SpAtt sucks to the core.

thank u! i am naught but a humble.....dude, i mean "physical sweepers should focus on only one area of attack" thats fine, but phrases like medicham's special attack sucks to the core, thats better!

but doesn't that leave medicham very badly weak against a skill swapper?

How many are there?
The only use of skill swap i can find is to remove slaking's truant ability in a 2v2 battle.

It is a waste of a turn, usually. You get a free attack in, even if you lose your Pure Power boost.

I suppose there aren't many.execpt of course that pokemon so few people EVER use.....ALAKAZAM!!!!!!!! when u have a pokemon as widely used as that as a skill swapper, it doesn't matter is there arn't any..... but I guess i'll live with it ^_^ if goes wrong, i can blame reaper, who suggested medicham to me :P
ok then, ill have a standard moveset..but...brick break is kind of sucky.....rockslide is kick ***, so thats fine, shadow ball...sux isn't there any decent move medicham learns naturally?...and bulk up? well there has GOTTA be a better attack and defence raising move that medicham can learn than that! i mean, meditate is better.....wait...can it learn curse? :o you know, breed with a dusclops (if it can?)

Ummm, both have the same base power, and brick break is more accurate. Moreover, brick break gets a 50% damage boost from STAB. So, why does brick break suck while rockslide kick ***?

However you need both on medicham. Rockslide allows you to take care of slower flyers, as well as to do extra damage to bug types and fire types.

Shadowball is a powerful move. Base damage of 80, plus effective against psychic and ghost types. Your brick break will not be able to even inflict damage on a ghost, and is ineffective against psychics. Shadowball makes up for this.

Errrrrr...unless you like weaker moves, I'd suggest bulk up over the two. Lets compare the 3 moves.

Bulk up- increases Att and Def by one level in 1 turn.
Curse- increases Att and Def by one level and decreases Spd in 1 turn.
Meditate- Increases Att by one level in 1 turn.

So if you prefer meditate or curse over bulk up, theres something wrong with you.

And as for a skill swapping alakazam, it wouldn't really matter.

Enemy switched in Alakazam.
Medicham used brick break. Its not very effective.
(Because of Alakazam's low HP and Def, this would take away more than a third of Alakazam's HP already, unless you didn't bother to train medicham properly, or if your IVs are a plain eyesore. If you have used Bulk up before, which you should have, it would do more damage.)

Alakazam used Skill swap!
Medicham used shadowball! Its super effective!
This should finish Alakazam. Switch out and regain your ability. Yay! your opponent just gave you a free kill.

shadow ball has a base damage of 60, not 80.
point taken about bulk up though, i thought it was crapper than that.....so its shadow ball, rockslide, brick break and bulk up.....

It's 80......I think you got mixed up with shadow punch.

Shadowball
Base power:80
Accuracy:100
Effects:May lower SpSef by 1 level.
Hits:1 pokemon
Comes into contact:No

Shadow punch
Base power:60
Accuracy:100
Effects:Hits as long as pokemon is on screen
Hits:1 pokemon
Comes into contact:Yes