We will discuss issues here, from the smallest of things to the largest.

Updated Rules:

1.Bring maturity and intelligence into this thread. Meaning be civil to the debater no matter how much you oppose what they're supporting.

2.You cannot oppose questions or challenges to the opponent(s). This is a popular rule in debates, it avoids jumping around the topic.

3.Absolutely NO FLAMING! Reread tha about 5 times before you begin to post in this thread. Flaming means insulting and putting down. Although you may have seen this in the thread, it isn't ok to do.

4.Prove your information. If your opponent says that the information you've given was either false or not confirmed then you need to prove them wrong or be sure about your sources next time. Give an source for your information when you can to shut-up the opponent. Be sure they are true sources or you'll end up embarassing yourself.

5. If you can't take the heat, get out. I think this is pretty much common sense. Debaters will get blunt with your info, be prepared.

-Try not to use slang abbreviations. If you cannot write like an intelligent person you do not belong in a serious discussion. The same goes for spelling and grammar. Not everyone excels in this area, but keep in mind that if you write like a 2-year-old chances are most people won't take you seriously.

-When you post an opinion, post why you have that opinion. For example: "I hate so-and-so because he's stupid" is not acceptable.

I'm wondering why you chose to make this topic in the Spam forum and not the main discussion forum. This thread does not belong here. Although an actual forum for debate topics is more appropriate, the least you can do is post this thread in The Great Lair.

Oh...and one more thing.

^This makes no sense. You cannot "correct" evidence with opposing evidence, only "counter". If the evidence is untrue, then it would be an "untrue fact" - for lack of a better term - and not be "evidence" at all. So please disregard this nonsense. I think what is trying to be said here is that if someone posts what he or she believes to be a fact and is actually mistaken, correct it with the real fact rather than just telling them that they are wrong.

Well, personally, I don't think this thread will be that popular because this whole board isn't active and the people that come here mostly want to talk about Pokemon, that is why it is a Pokemon board, but if you want it here and you think it might atract more people or make more people active, then go ahead.

Oh well Severest. I am one who tends to talk off topic on most things anyways.

In reply to bunnygirl's message,

First of all, I am not proving a point of any kind. Simply stating the rules of a debate. If a newperson was to read a proctor on the rules of a presidental debate and it said "Try 2 be mature" then they would've read it as if it was "Try to be mature." The same impression would be given to the newperson as if they were reading a properly spell/grammer checked proctor. Chances are if you modify, "2" as a slang for the word "to" then you don't belong online anyhow.

Same as if it was written intelligently. No matter how much pretty grammer and advanced words are in the rules, it will still make out to the simplest form. Which is what I have done for those unable to comprehend that sort of language.

I tried proposing a forum but Stinger disagreed. If this topic proves to be sucessful I will make a Debate forum. (Frankly which is what I wanted to do in the first place.)

The rest of your post will be posted into the rules. The part about one of the rules not making sense.

Using numbers in place of words is called internet slang. Of course, this slang is intended to be used in chatrooms for people who cannot type very fast and for people using text messaging on their cell phones. It does not belong on a board. Thus why I am discouraging it from being used here, especially in an intelligent conversation.

If anyone cannot comprehend posts that are written correctly then they don't belong here. I find it disturbing that you attempt to "simplify" posts for morons.

That still doesn't answer the question of why you made this topic in the spam forum rather than the main discussion one.

2 is simply a cover for to. For people like myself who don't want to spend the millisecond of typing that extra letter. Anywho, this isnt what I had planned on talking about here.

Really? Why should I waste time explaining the clear meaning of being mature. A dummy with a half brain knows "Try 2(to) mature" means exactly that. I wont argue on the usage of slangs and grammer with you.

Fine. A good lengthy post describing your ideas is well worth a post count. Moving --------->

If you can't expect someone to take a "millisecond" to type an extra letter or two, how can you possibly expect them to write a good, "lengthy" post? I've never heard anything so ridiculous.

You said yourself that you don't want to spend an extra "millisecond" typing an extra letter. That is immature, childish and quite frankly, it makes you look quite unintelligent. Listen to yourself. You want to have a topic where people can discuss things of a more mature nature, and yet you are encouraging slang. Why did you even bother making something like this in the first place?

I suggest you follow your own advice.

Hmmm, I guess our topic will be random. Starting with Bunnygirl and I.

(why are you putting millisecond in quotations? Its a unit of time.)

Hello! Do you read? You make an excellent lengthy post with putting a 2 instead of to or two. A post can be just as long if you used slang for other words such as mayB(maybe) or Bcuz(because). A post can be just as long. What I find ridiculous is your strict standard for thorough posts of grammer and spelling usage.

Lol, really? Typing 2 instead of to makes me seem unitelligent? Wow, let me find the thousands of other people who do it. Entering a intelligent or serious dicussion doesn't change a thing. You cannot simply judge one's intelligence by how pretty they talk or how neat they write(types rather, handwriting can be judged to define very specific character aspects of a person.)

I bothered to make something like this because I like debating on issues. Showing others my opinion and proving them wrong or vice versa. I'm not encouraging the use of slang, I just dont want to penalized for using it. It is my typing style, others have different ways of typing. If someone comes into this thread and had slang in their post and it seemed perfectly intelligent to me. It would seem unintelligent if typed like this you say? What if it was in your standard? Would then accept it to be a post of intelligence? Or are you too liberal with your standard to accept that it was this way in the beginning?

You think I'm getting hotheaded? You weren't blunt with my post. Heck you were far from it. I've debated for actual awards, you've shown no kind of intensity that would make me leave KL right now.

Because your exaggeration makes you seem even more pitiful. "I won't take a millisecond of my time to make myself look 10x more intelligent."

If you find structurizing posts correctly ridiculous, you won't get very far in life. And I'm not saying using slang will just make the posts shorter (that really doesn't matter anyway), I'm saying that if you don't have the sense to write legibly then you really can't be expected to participate in a serious discussion without appearing as an idiot. Perhaps you were taught to go by lower standards; that's your problem, not mine. I like to show some class when I post.

Of course it does. The fact that many people do it doesn't change the fact that it makes them look less intelligent. It makes them look less intelligent because they can't (or won't) take the time to write legibly in a place where you can take as much time as you'd like to post. When it comes to a serious discussion, when I see someone who won't even write maturely, how can I expect them to look at issues in a mature manner? Of course there are people who really are intelligent but choose to write that way. In that case, they are just foolish, because they are setting themselves up to appear as morons.

Haha, you know, if you had actually read what I wrote, you would have noticed that I put "Try not to use slang abbreviations." If you want to save your precious milliseconds by typing in slang, go right ahead. I'll just look down on you (which I do anyway).

Of course you are. You got really offended when I commented on your slang. And the advice was to leave the thread, not KL.

As a side note, I do use slang on occasion, but only acronyms. Typing "2" rather than "to" just seems pointless to me.

Lol, so you think I'm a dense dummy not wanted to take the proper time to form a good post. I'll have you know you opinion is meanless to the sucess of my life. You thinking I'm intelligent is a is probably like the smallest thing that'll effect me. Like subatomic small. Go ahead, look down on the people who dont post in your standard. Think that you are above them because of your precious use of grammer and punctuation. It is you whom is unintelligent, judging people by how they post a message. I can see if you judged them by what they post.

Lower standards? :lol: I have been accepted into Thomas Jefferson High School next year. This is one of the best high schools in the nation(2nd from New York's Whitman). SAT scores in the 700s. I can gaurentee you that if you lookup this school under a major search engine you will find results. (put in Fairfax county after it if you actually try this.)

Some of the students here probably can't type well, so you take them for an idiot. This just shows the great amount of ineptitude you've managed to bottle up.

Have you managed to find anyone that is worthy of your idiotic standard? This isn't an English class so I fake as if it was one. I'm not going to go online and try to out do everyone with pretty grammer and long spelled words. You can do it if you like, I just find it pointless.

Wow, this "debate" is pretty heated. I still find this thread pointless as BunnyGirl probably does to seeing your rules.

:lol: Well for someone who doesn't care about my opinion you sure are making a big deal out of it. It's not the people who "don't post to my standard" that I look down on - it's people who I have talked to more than once and have come to the conclusion that they aren't very bright (you being a prime example). And besides, if I did only judge people on how they post it would make me haughty, not unintelligent. And there is yet another example of why I find you to be, shall I say, not quite up to my level.

Sorry to disappoint you, but that means absolutely nothing. While you assuming "lower standards" in my context means what school you qualify for is rather disturbing, I suppose I can use this to point out how conceited you are at the moment. Being accepted into some high-end school doesn't mean you excel at everything, dear. You most likely have one or more subjects other than English that made you stand out in their eyes. Now unless you can show me that it was in fact English that was your ticket into "Thomas Jefferson High School", I laugh at your attempt to undermine me.

Lmao...you completely contradicted yourself. So what are you trying to say anyway? We were on the subject of literacy when I said that maybe you go by lower standards, and you said it was untrue because of the great school you've been accepted to, and yet you say some of the students there can't type well. Either make up your mind or go back to sleep.

Let's see...just about everyone and anyone who has had any type of power in the world. Calling it idiotic is just hilarious, seeing as how it's just the opposite of idiotic. I realize now that I am arguing with a completely backwards fool. English is not only for English class. Look around. Do you think Math is only for Math class? Science is only for Science class? Can someone really be capable of such astounding ignorance? I feel a bit sorry for you. Well...almost.

This is a debate, I have to provide my information with evidence, thus equalling to my post.

Maybe I'm missing an obvious point? Why would I think of myself as not very bright? Intelligence is not formed by theories and facts in books girl. It is made of common knowledge and the ability to make decisions and judge. I'm afraid you lack in a few of these abilities. Oh I'm not up to your level, which is a few steps lower than mine. I won't try to please you or anyone else for me to be accepted into their standard.

Nobody excels at everything, I'm sure you are well aware of this. Now lets try to make sense of the fact here, I have recieved a high standard of education to be accepted into such a school(which I will be attending). A list of 4,000 students apply, then from there students are picked out by test scores. And then the list is narrowed by GPAs and personal acceptance essays. As for literature, I dont have very high standards of composing posts. Usually because I think that people can interpet them easily and won't throw a pity party if they see a little slang.

Some of the students doesn't include me. I mean, if someone doesn't put in the time to compose a post properly(your properly) in a serious discussion you take these people for dummies. When actually you don't know a thing about them.

I dont need your sympathy. Think what you please about my writings and I. Frankly, I dont care. Let me be the backwards fool so we can start debating on serious issues. But you must have the word, go ahead. Satisfy yourself by typing letters to a backwards fool.

Anyways inner topic:
Politics,Rights,Laws, Evolution, Drugs what?

Read, little boy. I said "not the people who "don't post to my standard" that I look down on - it's people who I have talked to more than once and have come to the conclusion that they aren't very bright", in which you replied "Why would I think of myself as not very bright?" LMAO.
Where exactly did I say intelligence is formed by theories and facts in books? Are you just making this up as you go along or what? Oh, and I think I've proved numerous times that I am far above you. You say I lack common knowledge, the ability to make decisions, and judge - but you yourself have proved that you
a) never have any idea what you're talking about (common knowledge)
B) make poor decisions concerning the board (ability to make decisions) and
c) claim that you are above me because I'm too mature for my own good (judge).

One word: sad. (And look, it's short enough for you to understand.)

Now I'm positive you aren't reading my posts. At least make an attempt, then read your reply and rightfully smack yourself.
"Being accepted into some high-end school doesn't mean you excel at everything, dear. You most likely have one or more subjects other than English that made you stand out in their eyes."
I know this is tough for you. Try taking a deep breath and reading one word at a time. And I'd like to point out that you just said you don't have high standards when it comes to composing posts. Hm, didn't you disagree about what I said about you having lower standards?

I never said it did. You don't know what contradict means, do you...how can I put this in a way that won't confuse you? Let's try steps.
1) I say you have lower standards when it comes to literacy.
2) You counter this, saying you in fact do not have lower standards, because you were accepted into a high-end school. So according to you, being accepted into this school means that you mustn't have low standards when it comes to literacy.
3) In the next paragraph, you say that some of the students "probably can't type well", which nullifies your "high-end school" defense.

Did you get all that? Probably not.

Oh don't worry - you don't have it. Notice the "Well...almost" at the end (which, of course, went right over your fragile little head).
Again you claim that you don't care and yet we are still having this conversation. And you're way of backing out of this "debate" is talking to me as if I'm a bully. Damn, I must be good.

(Or, if my opponent has made a complete *** out of me and I want it to stop.)

You said that I was taught by lower standards. Now I countered this by saying that I got into Jefferson, where the learning is far from lower standards.

Lower standards when it comes to being taught, educated.

To show to be wrong. By you saying I contradicted myself, meaning I showed myself to be wrong. These are not enormous words.

WRONG. You said I have lower standards when it comes to being taught. "Perhaps you were taught by lower standards", which in fact I wasn't. This is why I countered with the Jefferson thing. What are reading? Or maybe you mind has rearranged the words to your liking?

Which is why you said I contradicted myself. This is not hard to comprehend you know. I never used this to my defense of having a lower standard for literacy.I'm saying students of the school may have lower standards as well but you take them for idiots. (Yes I read you little definition of the people you consider not very bright)Which is why I posted the make up of intelligence thing. Thinking that you've judged these people for dummies when you dont even know them.

Well don't use the smallest of your sympathy then. All of it is useless. "Well Almost" is still showing sympathy, just not fully. I don't need any of it.

Congratulations, you are making progress! You've got the first part down. Now work on getting the second part.

And I never said that being educated was what I was talking about. The entire conversation is about literacy. And that sentence was no different. How could you have possibly thought otherwise?

If you know what it means, then why didn't you understand me when I used it?

Ohhh, I see where you are getting confused. "Taught by lower standards" does not mean "lower standards about being taught." So it's you, in fact, who is rearranging the words, and in this case rearranging them makes them totally seperate things. What a foolish mistake. You should be embarrassed.

And here is where your mistake screwed everything up. I was on the subject of literacy when I used the term "lower standards", so I assumed you knew what I was talking about (which I have learned by now is a huge mistake). I'll take you for a much slower person next time.

al·most ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôlmst, ôl-mst)
adv.
Slightly short of; not quite; nearly: almost time to go; was almost asleep; had almost finished. See Usage Note at none.
-Dictionary.com

My god. I didn't know you were that bad off.

Wow, is this a debate, or an argument?

ToBG its a matter of having the last word. To make herself seem mature, she has to post as if you knows what she's talkin about when in fact she doesn't. If she truly thought I was the person that she posted about; she would've never continued this. But like I said, she must satisfy herself by posting the last word.

Wasn't this what you said you thought was immature. Why would you simply a post for your so called dummy? Make up your mind already.

By the word for which you implied. 'Taught'. Which is past tense for teach. And what do you think of when you hear teach.... (I know you're frying your brain right now. lol) SCHOOL!

When in fact I'm not. It is you who should be ashamed for the time you've wasting talking with a backwards fool. But its about the last word anyway. Go ahead, your so inept to the real issue anyway.

LOL! She has provided me with a dictionary.com defintion. This word is clearly defined in my mind. It's you who is confused.

Lemme explain.

I almost feel sorry for you. Meaning, I've formed sympathy to your aid. Not quite enough to feel sorry.

Did that help you? Most likey not; the situation is hopeless. Lets see what definition she'll provide next.

Obviously you don't know how a debate works :lol:
And I've made it quite clear that I know what I am talking about. In fact, not only have you not proved once that I don't know what I am talking about at one point, you have proved that you yourself get lost and confused every few posts.

When did I say this was what I thought was immature? If you're talking about how I thought it was disturbing that you would simplify your posts for morons (try looking back at when I posted it), this is quite different. In this case, I am simplifying what had happened because my opponent happens to be, simple. If you have to write like a child to make sure everyone can understand what you are saying then you are setting up a serious conversation to fail. Really though, I'm glad you pointed out that you're not cut out for a serious discussion.

And, like I said, the way I used that term made what I was saying completely different than from what you got from it. I said you were taught to go by lower standards. This does not mean that you go by lower standards when it comes to education. I find it scary that you think of them as the same thing, I really do. I'll try to simplify this as best I can (which, by the way, is really sad).
I could have said, "you were taught to go by lower standards when it comes to literacy." Now that would have made it more clear. But since I was already on the subject of literacy, I just said "you were taught to go by lower standards" - in fact, I even wrote "I like to post with class" after it which essentially tied it up as the subject of literacy. The average fool would never mistake it for something else; but you're no ordinary fool.

See? I prove you wrong time after time and you can never admit it. Let's not forget that you are an equal part of this debate. And I'm definitely not ashamed to have wasted time arguing with a fool. I find it rather enjoyable. In fact, my goal is to make them realize what a fool they've been, and I'm not satisfied until I do.

Actually, if you had known what it meant (or if you had actually tried reading the definition), then you would have known it meant that I most certainly do not feel sorry for you, but almost. I really can't believe I have found someone who doesn't understand what the word "almost" means. Examples, dear:
Let's use the phrase "I'm almost ready". Using the term in this context in particular means that this person has made some progress, but isn't at the location specified.
"I almost feel sorry for you." In this context, the person would like to feel sorry for you, but doesn't - in my case, it's because you are a person I don't particularly care for.

I cannot believe I am arguging with a silly, inept girl. Your efforts are useless mam. Please, by all means think of me as the backwards fool. This isn't a debate. Unlike you, we are people who have lives and must use our time wisely.

Are you even analyzing the facts here(heh, what facts?)? Obviously not. You keep rambling to yourself in your own little mind, truth is, nobody's listening. But keep it up, it is kinda amusing.

ACTUAL Debates:

-Kerry or Bush?
-Evolution
-Legalizing drugs
-Religion
-Laws and rights.

I want to debate on Kerry or Bush.

bunnygirl: 1
Unown Albus: 0

Awesome.

Lol, maybe this thread is worth keeping. Watching you two "debate" is so entertaining. I don't really want to debate because I usually get into an argument saying I'm right and your wrong. You two can keep on going at it to your heart's consent.

Nah, Unown Albus already wimped out of that one. That always seems to happen when I'm debating with someone. Well, except for maybe my mom.
:lol:

Lol, moms, the root of all evil. j/k

Ok BG, believe you won. I'm finally glad you've gottten over this. It wasn't a debate and your purpose to make me realize what a so called fool I supposedily am.

Obviously your satisfied that you got the last word. IF not, you would've countined your pointless efforts. I was right after all.

So, post your last word(because you cannot do w/out it) and we can begin the real debates.

Topics:
-Stem cell reasearch
-Kerry or Bush?
-Evolution
-The influence of violent video games
-Witchcraft
-Drugs (lol, this one girl actually tried to debate me on legalizing weed.)

As I already said I wanna debate on Kerry or Bush. I support for Kerry/Edwards.

I support Kerry/Edwards too. No offence though, you both seem to want the last word...

Dunno. It looked like you got owned to me.

:lol:

At least I admit that I wanted the last word.

But anyway, about you're "real" debate:

It's a shame I am going to miss the elections by a hair, because I would have voted for Kerry when I turned 18. I will be honest, politics is definitely not my strong point; but my mother and father are pitted against each other when it comes to Bush and Kerry, and I have been watching the debates.

Me too, but I didn't watch last nights...

How about we debate on the upcoming handhelds, Nintendo DS & PSP? There has already been much talk that Nintendo has finally met it's match and vice versa. I think more people would join if we debated on this. I dunno.

Personally, I think PSP will come out on top.

The DS. So many gaming companies are jumping at the chance to develop new games for it. And it's no wonder - everyone wants to test out it's technology.

I don't know anything about the PSP though, so I'm not fit to debate against it.

I say they DS will come out on top because the PSP is just the same as a PS2, but handheld and the battery life on that thing is very, very short. It costs more and games probably will cost more too. Nintendo has a better history of handheld consoles too, so that should help them sell more. People might want to buy the PSP because it is new, but it's price will turn away a lot of customers. Also, in my opinion, the DS looks more flashy than the PSP, the PSP looks dumb, that is in my opinion though...

Severest, Nintendo has a history for excelling handheld games. Now what other handheld games have you seen besides N-Gage? Gizmondo? The most ugly electronic device I've ever seen. The fact is that Nintendo has never had much competetion in handhelds. Until now.

Remember old SEGA consoles? They were on top until they met there match, Nintendo. And now SEGA is struggle to produce Sonic games to keep it's existance. This is the future for Nintendo.

I think we can say Silent Hill will be on the DS. And another Sonic. Anyways, what technology!? We've seen the N64(which has the about the same graphics. Except for the DSes feature to show fog and smokescreens.) and we've seen palm pilots. Not to mention that Nintendo says that you have buy additional pointers if you dont want the screen scratched up.

The price cost of the PSP has not been confirmed yet. What your seeing are only figures that the media put out. Now, the UMD discs and the ability to play music. Yeah the battery life is not so reliable, but think about the amount that PSP can do already! It'll be the new walkman. Look how many PS2s were sold. Those prices had skyrocketed, but people still waited overnight for stores to open so they could buy the PS2.

Are you serious? What the hell are you doing trying to start a debate concerning the DS when you don't know the first thing about it? Who's talking about graphics?

Straight from Nintendo.com:

Dual Screens: Two LCD screens offer one of the most groundbreaking game-play advances ever developed: experiencing a game from two perspectives at once. Imagine the possibilities. In a racing game, drivers might see their own vehicle's perspective on one screen and an overall track view on the other. In a role-playing game, the action could take place on the first screen while the second provides a reference for a player's tools inventory. Game play also could use both screens at once, offering a giant boss for heroes to defeat. In the future, games could be created allowing users to play games on one screen while text messaging other DS users on the other. Each 3-inch screen can reproduce a true 3-D view and is backlit to assure comfortable play in any lighting condition.

Touch Screen: The lower screen will offer something never before provided by any game device: PDA-like touch capabilities. Players no longer have to rely on just buttons to move characters or shift perspectives. They can navigate menus or access inventory items simply by touching the screen with stylus or fingertip. A software-based keyboard might even allow the screen to be used as an input center for games and messaging. The possibilities are limited only by developers' imaginations. The screen will have a tougher film cover for durability, and will come with a stylus.

Microphone: An available microphone port means that in the future, players might need only to tell their games what to do. DS software could identify everything from voice commands to hand-clapping. Players might be able to move their characters simply by telling them which way to go. The voice capabilities also could allow gamers to chat with one another over the Internet while playing.

Wireless: DS users will be able to connect with a local wireless network of up to 16 players. Nintendo's wireless range is 30 to 100 feet, depending on circumstances; multiple users can play multiplayer games using just one DS Game Card. It assures high response rates required for real time game play, and will make use of both IEEE 802.11 and Nintendo's proprietary communication protocol, which provides low battery consumption. Players will be able to chat and play games without any connecting cords, completely untethered. The DS technology also provides for a wireless LAN connection, which could allow a theoretically infinite number of players to connect at a hot spot and compete at a central game hub on the Internet, even if they're thousands of miles apart.

Wireless Game Sharing: If software developers desire, multiple players can compete in wireless games, even if only one person has a game card inserted. Players could also test-play games for themselves as long as they stayed connected.

3-D: With the newly developed graphics engine, DS can reproduce impressive 3-D renderings that can surpass images displayed on the Nintendo® 64. Games will run at 60 frames per second, and allow details like fog effects and cel shading. (The ONLY thing you knew about it.)

Controls: Touch screen, embedded microphone for voice recognition, A/B/X/Y face buttons, plus control pad, L/R shoulder buttons, Start and Select buttons.

Sound: The 16-channel sound allows for greatly expanded use of voices and music, and a richer, more immersive game experience. Stereo speakers allow for virtual surround sound and a plug for headphones transmits stereo sound.

Battery & Power Management: Lithium ion battery delivering 6 to 10 hours of play on a four-hour charge, depending on use. The battery is rechargeable and the unit features a low-energy-consumption design. The DS also has Power Management functions of Sleep mode and Standby mode. In Sleep mode, players can stop and resume game play whenever they like. AC adapter.

Processing: The unit will run on two processors, one ARM9 one ARM7.

New Media: For its compact cards, the unit uses newly developed semiconductor memory, which allows for lower cost, shorter manufacturing time and memory capacity of more than one gigabit of information.

Dual Slots: Nintendo DS makes a vast library of Game Boy® Advance games readily available in single-player mode. Developers could find ways to make new connections between GBA games and DS games. The GBA port could be used for new hardware, enormously expanding the functional expandability of the DS.

Languages: English, Japanese, Spanish, French, German, Italian.

Other Features: Embedded Pictochat software that allows up to 16 users to chat at once; embedded real-time clock; date, time and alarm; touch-screen calibration.

And by the way, there are over 120 games in development for the DS as of now. The latest issue of NP Magazine has an page of samples. Would you like me to post them, dear?

Thankyou bunnygirl for seeing my point.

Well, with all the features of the PSP, the lowest cost will be about $300. That is a lot for a handheld. Straight from nintendo the price of the DS will be around $150. So, the PSP is double the price of the DS. I wouldn't want to pay that much and many other people wouldn't either when there is a better handheld out there. Also, the Pokemon games are very popular so people will want to buy the DS just because of that. That is the main reason I want to buy it.

Wow, two against one.

Yes, the PSP's price is double the amount of the DS. Lets not talk about why Nintendo is still making cart-based games. Two screens, how creative. When all I have to do is press start to go my invetory(which is basically the purpose of the extra screen.) And UMD playing ability. This includes movies and music.

How about a quote from IGN:

DS-1Gb(128 megabytes)
PSP-1.8GB(1843.2 megabytes)

UMD can hold more than a dozen times the size of the cartridge. And Discs make you look cool. lol.

And PSP can use the memory card slot as a cartrige slot too. That makes PSP have both cartrige and disc usage. :D

(AHH MAN SHE HIT ME WITH THE 'DEAR')

I know the whole list you just posted. I said I wasn't impressed with what you so called technology. Am afraid once again your efforts were useless.

Lets clear something up, the wireless feature will not be acessible without going to a certain location. I think like one of them is Starbucks, not to mention you have to pay a fee to use the DSes so called technology.

A hundred games... LOL. The DS is new console and there are just little kiddie games. Like picto chat, and ballon fighters(I think its called that.) Game devolpers are so unsure of how to use this technology they have to come up with these kid of games. (I am looking forward to Animal Crossin though.)

DS Games

Nintendo
Animal Crossing DS
Mario Kart DS
Metroid Prime: Hunters
NEW Super Mario Bros. DS
Nintendogs
PictoChat
Super Mario 64X4
WarioWare Inc. DS
DEMO: Baloon Trip
DEMO: Carving
DEMO: Mario's Face
DEMO: DS Pikachu
DEMO: Special Effects
DEMO: Submarine
DEMO: Table Hockey

Activision:
Spider-Man 2

Atari:
Title TBD

Bandai:
ONE PIECE
MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM SEED
Several Titles

Banpresto:
DRAGONBALL Z

Capcom:
Mega Man Battle Network (New Game)
Viewtiful Joe (New Game)
Gyakuten Saiban (New Game)

Electronic Arts:
Need for Speed (New Game)

FromSoftware:
Several Titles

Hudson Soft:
BOMBERMAN
Several Titles

Koei:
Dynasty Warriors

Konami Corporation:
FROGGER 2005
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Several Titles

Majesco:
Title TBD

Namco Limited:
Pac-Pix
Pac'n Roll
Mr. Driller
RPG Title (New Game, TBD)

Sega Corporation:
Sonic E3 Demo
Project Rub

Square Enix:
Egg Monster Heroes
FINAL FANTASY: Crystal Chronicles (New Game)
Dragon Quest Monsters (New Game)

Tecmo:
Monster Rancher
Team Ninja Title (New Game)

THQ:
SpongeBob SquarePants

Ubisoft:
Rayman TBD

Out all of these games I'm only looking foward to four of them. You see how many Demos Nintendo has put out. They don't have a clue how they'll handle the extra screen. They're just trying to stuff some things on the shelf to say they produced the DS before the PSP.

PSP SPECS

PSP CPU Core

MIPS R4000 32-bit core
128-bit bus
1-333MHz (1.2V)
32MB main memory
4MB embedded DRAM (2MB for the Media Engine, 2MB for the Graphics Core)
2.6Gbps bus bandwidth
FPU, VFPU (2.6 billion flops)
3D graphics extended instructions
I Cache, D Cache

PSP Media Engine

MIPS R4000 32-bit core
128-bit bus
1-333MHz (1.2V)
2MB eDRAM submemory
I-Cache, D-Cache
90nm CMOS

PSP Graphics Core

1-166MHz (1.2V)
256-bit bus
2MB eDRAM (VRAM)
5.3Gbps bus bandwidth
664 million pixels per second pizel fill rate
3D curved surface and 3D polygon engine
Support for compressed textures, hardware clipping, morphing, bone, tessellation, bezier, b-spline (NURBS)
Maximum of 33 million polygons per second
24-bit full color (RGBA)

Sound Core
VME (Virtual Mobile Engine)
Reconfigurable DSP
166MHz (1.2 V)
128-bit bus
5 giga operations per second
CODEC capabilities
3D sound, 7.1 channels
Synthesizer, effecter, and other abilities
ATRAC3 plus, AAC, MP3 for audio
Built in stereo speakers

Media

UMD (Universal Media Disc)
60mm-diameter disc
660nm laser diode
1.8GB capacity (dual-layered disc)
11Mbps transfer rate
AES 128bit encryption
Unique disc ID
Shock proof
Regional code system
Parental lock system
Repeat ordering system
Playback only

Format

Available UMD Formats: PSP Game, UMD Audio, UMD Video
ATRAC3plus, PCM, MPEG4 AVC audio codecs
MPEG4 AVC, ATRAC3plus, Caption PNG video codecs

Input

Directional butons
Analog pad
PlayStation buttons (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square)
Two triggers
Start, Select, Home
Power On/Hold/Off Switch
Brightness & Volume Control
Wireless LAN on/off
UMD Eject

Size Details

Weight: Approx. 260g
Dimensions: 170mm wide x 74mm long x 23mm deep
UMD Weight: Approx. 10g
UMD Dimensions: approx. 65mm x 64mm x 4.2mm

Other Specifications

16:9-format widescreen TFT LCD (4.3", 480x272 pixels, 24-bit full color)
MPEG4 AVC decoder
Wireless LAN (802.11b)
IrDA (Infrared Data Association)
IR Remote (SIRCS)
USB 2.0 (Target)
Memory Stick PRO Duo
AV in/out
Stereo headphone out
Microphone/Control connector
Lithium ion battery
Expansion port
DC Out 5V
Terminals for charging built-in battery

Now what where you saying about the DSes technology? Nothing compared to this obviously. An alarm clock? Yeah, I'm sure people are looking forward to that. And like I said, we've seen touch screens before. The only thing the DS has that the PSP doesn't.

If you honestly believe that's all it can be used for, you are a fool (which was made clear in the last debate). You really now no idea what a technological leap Nintendo has made in the gaming experience. And with the touch screen feature, Nintendo didn't just make a new console - they changed the gaming experience.
By the way, who cares if we've seen touch screens before? The point is that we've never seen it being used like this.

Yes, it would need that anyway since the PSP has much better graphics.

What a stupid logic. Let's try to keep this mature.

...Your point?

I've been wondering from the last time you posted something like this. Who are you talking to?

You knew the list, but you haven't actually read it. And, "my efforts were useless"? This isn't a case of me trying to prove you wrong, dear, this is a debate about two consoles. So stop acting as if your opinion is factual. Lighten up.

I haven't heard anything about that, and I doubt it's true. But if it is, hey - you can spend that extra money that you saved by purchasing the DS rather than the PSP :lol:

Actually I said over 120. And if you are seriously using the words "kiddie games", this debate ends here. That is just foolish beyond reason, and look around. You are on a Pokemon board.

Funny, it doesn't look like the whole list to me. And who cares what you're looking forward to, you already stated that you didn't like games that you deemed "childish". At this point no one should give a rat's *** about your opinion, but I'm trying to be polite.

Well it's quite a new concept. Of course they aren't going to come up with the perfect idea instantly. Developers do have ideas though, and are testing them out.

That developers are jumping at the chance to develop new games for it. Sure, the PSP has a much more powerful engine, but it's not anything new. They could make the same games for the PS2. Developers can make games that were never possible to make before on the DS. It's in that sense that the DS has better technology.

Exactly, its your kind that Nintendo has fooled. They paint themselves as a creative company because they have such creative inventions. You think that this technology is so great and new but it's not.

Some quotes from your last post for example,

Do you know how much Sony technologized our society? Not just gaming, they've proven to us that they can actually make innovative inventions.

Now BG, you say we never used touch screens for gaming before? Have you ever played a game on a palm pilot? Now whats the difference? Better graphics? We've used touch screens in this manner before.

Now look what innovation the Sony's offered. UMD disc player on a handheld. We've never seen this technology before. We've never had the analog feature for handheld gaming. We've never had movie and music playing on a handheld gaming system. These are the things I'm impressed with(so what if your not.) because these are things that we have never had on a handheld gaming system.

Now how bout a quote from one of Nintendo's spokesmen,

Heh. One extra screen. This is not an advance in handheld gaming. Yet you've managed to fool a couple million people.

The DS is just another step up from the gameboy. Yet they deny it. Let me tell you how they created the grand idea. They looked back into a 1981 Game & Watch handheld. Then they took the design of the SP into it, added a another backlit touch screen, some extra technology and we have the DS. Not much of an creation, looking back into old 1981 models. Now it looks like a big silver maxipad. :lol:

You were showing me a list of what the DS offered. Yet the whole post was useless because I was already informed with that info. Now it may be useful to the rest of the people that visit this topic.

You've sided with the DS and you don't know much about it. Do you know what Wifi Internet connection is. Lemme explain, the Wireless Internet basically means when you go to 'hitspots', Starbucks for example, you'll be able to access the internet from within that area. It won't be free, though. Now, Nintendo hasn't told the media how much this will cost. Yet again a prime example that they just want holiday sales.


DS SPECS(well over what Nintendo.com has released)

CPU Core

Main Processor - ARM946E-S (Running at 67 MHz)
Cache: 8 KB Instruction Cache, 4KB Data Cache
TCM: 8KB Instruction, 4KB Data
Sub Processor - ARM7TDMI (Running at 33 MHz)

Memory

Main Memory - 4 MB (Debug version has 8 MB)
ARM9/ARM7 Shared - 32KB (16KB x 2)
ARM7 Internal RAM - 64 KB
VRAM - 656 KB

LCD

Display Size - 256 x 192 RGB Screens x 2
Display Colors - 262,144 colors

2D Graphics Engine

Background - Maximum 4 layers
Objects - Maximum of 128

3D Graphics Engine

Geometric Transformation - Max 4 million vertex/sec
Polygon Rate - Max 120,000 polys/sec
Pixel Fillrate - Max 30 million pixels/sec

Sound

16 channel ADPCM/PCM (Max 8 channels can be set to PSG)
Microphone input
Wireless Communication - 802.11 Protocol

Input Device
Touch Panel
Direction Pad, A, B, L, R buttons, Start, Select (X, Y buttons being considered)

Power Save
Sleep mode (WakeUp possible at set times or by wireless communication)
Power save for 2D engine, rendering engine, geometry engine, LCD screen possible.

Dual Screens: Two LCD screens offer one of the most groundbreaking game-play advances ever developed: experiencing a game from two perspectives at once. Imagine the possibilities. In a racing game, drivers might see their own vehicle's perspective on one screen and an overall track view on the other. In a role-playing game, the action could take place on the first screen while the second provides a reference for a player's tools inventory. Game play also could use both screens at once, offering a giant boss for heroes to defeat. In the future, games could be created allowing users to play games on one screen while text messaging other DS users on the other. Each 3-inch screen can reproduce a true 3-D view and is backlit to assure comfortable play in any lighting condition.

Touch Screen: The lower screen will offer something never before provided by any game device: PDA-like touch capabilities. Players no longer have to rely on just buttons to move characters or shift perspectives. They can navigate menus or access inventory items simply by touching the screen with stylus or fingertip. A software-based keyboard might even allow the screen to be used as an input center for games and messaging. The possibilities are limited only by developers' imaginations. The screen will have a tougher film cover for durability, and will come with a stylus.

Microphone: An available microphone port means that in the future, players might need only to tell their games what to do. DS software could identify everything from voice commands to hand-clapping. Players might be able to move their characters simply by telling them which way to go. The voice capabilities also could allow gamers to chat with one another over the Internet while playing.

Wireless: DS users will be able to connect with a local wireless network of up to 16 players. Nintendo's guaranteed range is 30 feet, but will extend far beyond that depending on circumstances. It assures high response rates required for real time game play, and will make use of both IEEE 802.11 and Nintendo's proprietary communication protocol, which provides low battery consumption. Players will be able to chat and play games without any connecting cords, completely untethered. The DS technology also provides for a wireless LAN connection, which could allow a theoretically infinite number of players to connect at a (READ THIS-------->hot spot<-------- and compete at a central game hub on the Internet, even if they're thousands of miles apart.
Wireless Game Sharing: If software developers desire, multiple players can compete in wireless games, even if only one person has a game card inserted. Players could also test-play games for themselves as long as they stayed connected.

3-D: With the newly developed graphics engine, DS can reproduce impressive 3-D renderings that can surpass images displayed on the Nintendo® 64. Games will run at 60 frames per second, and allow details like fog effects and cel shading.
Sound: The 16-channel sound allows for greatly expanded use of voices and music, and a richer, more immersive game experience. A plug for headphones transmits stereo sound.

Battery & Power Management: The battery is rechargeable and the unit features a low-energy-consumption design. The DS also has Power Management functions of Sleep mode and Standby mode. In Sleep mode, players can stop and resume game play whenever they like. If the user receives a message from a friend or user nearby, DS activates itself from Standby mode.

Processing: The unit will run on two processors, one ARM9 one ARM7.

New Media: For its compact cards, the unit uses newly developed semiconductor memory, which allows for lower cost, shorter manufacturing time and memory capacity of more than one gigabit of information.

Dual Slots: Nintendo DS makes a vast library of Game Boy® Advance games readily available. Developers could find ways to make new connections between GBA games and DS games. The GBA port could be used for new hardware, enormously expanding the functional expandability of the DS.

DS Games

Nintendo
Animal Crossing DS
Mario Kart DS
Metroid Prime: Hunters
NEW Super Mario Bros. DS
Nintendogs
PictoChat
Super Mario 64X4
WarioWare Inc. DS
DEMO: Baloon Trip
DEMO: Carving
DEMO: Mario's Face
DEMO: DS Pikachu
DEMO: Special Effects
DEMO: Submarine
DEMO: Table Hockey

Activision:
Spider-Man 2

Atari:
Title TBD

Bandai:
ONE PIECE
MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM SEED
Several Titles

Banpresto:
DRAGONBALL Z

Capcom:
Mega Man Battle Network (New Game)
Viewtiful Joe (New Game)
Gyakuten Saiban (New Game)

Electronic Arts:
Need for Speed (New Game)

FromSoftware:
Several Titles

Hudson Soft:
BOMBERMAN
Several Titles

Koei:
Dynasty Warriors

Konami Corporation:
FROGGER 2005
Yu-Gi-Oh!
Several Titles

Majesco:
Title TBD

Namco Limited:
Pac-Pix
Pac'n Roll
Mr. Driller
RPG Title (New Game, TBD)

Sega Corporation:
Sonic E3 Demo
Project Rub

Square Enix:
Egg Monster Heroes
FINAL FANTASY: Crystal Chronicles (New Game)
Dragon Quest Monsters (New Game)

Tecmo:
Monster Rancher
Team Ninja Title (New Game)

THQ:
SpongeBob SquarePants

Ubisoft:
Rayman TBD

OF course it's not the whole list. These are the games that have been confirmed to release during the release of the DS. Maybe I should've mentioned that, although I was sure someone like you could've figured it out. No need for politeness here, come on give it your all to support the DS.

You are talking about the prices of the extras for the DS, but have not yet mentioned the prices of the extras for the PSP. It already will be $300 and the extras won't be free either. It will be even more than the DS's extras.

"My kind"? Seriously, if you do not stop talking to Severest and I as if we are inferior then this debate needs to end. I know it is difficult for you to be mature about this (especially in a debate), but at least make an attempt.
It's not the actual technology that makes the DS so appealing, it's how innovative it is. The fact is that the DS took gaming companies by storm and their support is overwhelming.

You can describe the PSP with a quote from John Kerry: "More of the same." Although having a portable version of the PS2 is a nice idea, it's nothing new. You can make the same games for the PS2 as you can for the PSP. THe DS has the ability to play games that were never possible to make before. This is something that I don't think you really understand.

Yes, that's true. But it has nothing to do with this debate. It seems as if you are only backing the PSP because it's made by Sony.

How you can compare a Palm Pilot to the DS is just baffling. I have never played a game on a Palm Pilot before, but I guarantee that they are not "console-type" games and are just cheap games you can download.

Yes these are impressive features. However, they don't change the way you actually play a game whereas the DS made that it's mission.

After all of this you still believe the DS is all about it's extra screen? I mean do you aknowledge anything about the DS at all?
And what this person said is absolutely right. Notice that he used the term game play. You can play a game on the PSP the same way you can play on a DS. But the DS can also play games in ways that the PSP cannot.

You can't be serious.

I find it funny and disturbing at the same time that you still take the DS' features as small extras. And by the way, it's design has no bearing on the debate, so you can call it's design anything you like. After all, it's the only thing you aknowledge about the DS.

Cut the crap, UA. You said my efforts were useless, meaning that no matter what I said it didn't waver your opinion. You even made a similar remark at the very beginning of your post.

Notice I said "I haven't heard anything about that" and not "that's not true". Seriously, stop just reading what you want to see and read what I actually post.
This has not been confirmed, and like I said, I doubt it's true. You don't know yourself if it's actually true. But if it is, it's not really a big deal. Since the DS and it's games are going to be sold at such a low price this really isn't a big issue and I doubt anyone will mind.

Just because I am supporting the DS, it doesn't mean that I have to be rude. You, on the other hand, have been rude throughout the debate. I am trying to keep this as civil as possible but all you want to do is act childish. It's a shame that someone like you is representing the PSP in this debate, because if it were someone more mature they would be taken so much more seriously.

Oh, and I know you have fun copying and pasting all of that information from websites but the least you can do is provide the source, it's a decent thing to do.