This is a post where Pokémon breeders can ask for help in raising their Pokémon, or offer help to those in need.

Why? Because breeding for moves is one of the hardest parts of the game! (IMHO) Well, I suppose raising the guys you breed can be a pain.... <_<

Getting certain moves on certain Pokemon can be quite puzzling. Here's hoping this topic takes off and helps many Breeders to come! :lol:

heh..id sticky this but i dont have that power. :D

Aaaaaand, for my first real post......

I need help! :blink: Yeah, on my own topic. Sheesh.....

Anyways, I was looking at Skarmory's new set of moves, and I couldn't help noticing that he learns Spikes naturally. It makes for an interesting lead Pokémon....

I was planning to get him to learn Drill Peck and Steel Wing to take advantage of STAB. So, I've got a Dodrio for the Drill Peck.

Here's the problem.... In GSC, Curse was a TM. And Cursing Skarmory was quite a threat. Here's the complete Poké:

Skarmory with Leftovers
Steel Wing
Drill Peck
Spikes
Curse

So, how do you get Curse on Skarmory? The first solution I came up with was to get a Shuppet to learn Curse. (he can, right?) Then, I'd breed the male Shuppet with a Female Castform. I'd put the Castform with Curse together with a Marril, whose baby can then breed with Wingull, whose baby can then breed with a Doduo. I remember that Doduo and Skarmory can both learn Curse from GSC, so they should both be able to learn it through breeding. But, what about everyone else? Is this breeding chain feasible? :blink:

Sticky? What's Sticky?

sticky is like a thumb-tac. it's when the mod or admin makes the post thread always first on the board(on this board they go in the important topics section of any board)

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Breeding in Ru/Sa depends on the pokemon type since you can't have a ditto. You have about a 50% chance that your egg will hatch into a skarmory and there's still no guarentee. Also, what attacks the hatched egg has all depends on what order the parents' attacks are in.

Actually, I've been doing a bit of breeding already, and the egg's species has been consistently the same as the mother's. Specific egg moves the child can learn will be learned only if the father knows them. I've already got an elemental-punching Kadabra from a female Abra and a Male Medicham with Fire Ice and Thunder punches. It also seems like the baby is always male. :huh: I think it's fairly consistent, but there might be a few exceptions. Until then, I'll believe it works.

My question still is, "Do all those Pokémon learn Curse by egg moves?"
eg. Shuppet, Castform, Marril, Wingull, Doduo, and Skarmory


For those that are confused, you get an egg if you put a male and a female Pokémon in the day care west of Mauville. It takes a lot of time, and the two Pokémon have to be in the same egg group. (maybe? Can someone varify that it only works this way?) The egg slowly hatches if it stays in your party and you take enough steps. This doesn't work if "the two would rather nplay with other Pokémon", as the grampa will tell you.

You can get really cool moves on certain Pokémon species that don't normally learn the move, like Drill Peck on a Skarmory. Skarmory doesn't learn it by himself, nor is there a TM to teach it with. Try putting a Dodua/Dodrio male that knows Drill Peck with a female Skarmory in the daycare and see what happens! Be patient, be very patient.... the grampa will step outside of the fence if he's got an egg.

er...Shuppet, Castform, Wingull, Marril, Doduo, and Skarmory...none of them learn Curse by Egg moves.

now let me clear things up...
when you pair up two of the same Pokemon, you will either get an egg with the same kind of Pokemon, or a pre-evolved form of that Pokemon.
when you pair up two different Pokemon but have the same egg type (e.i., Amorphous), then the result Pokemon is less predictable, but i think most of the time it will be of the female. it inherits its Ability from the female, keep this in mind! also, with the moves. there is a way to control which moves the baby will inherit somewhat. first of all, level-up moves that both parents know could be passed onto the baby. second, if the father knows a TM or HM, it could pass onto the baby. and third, baby Pokemon can learn Egg moves automatically from their father, not their mother.

i hope ive been of some help..

Hehe,uh, this is kinda getting off the original topic. :unsure:

Does that mean that I can't get a cursing Skarmory? Aww....
It was soooo helpful for taking the bite out of losing.... :rolleyes:

:lol: Just kidding.....

dammit. i tried every possible way, but there just isnt a way to have Skarmory learn Curse. the problem is that EVERY SINGLE Pokemon in the Flying Egg type class cant learn it. none of them. god, i really tried everything though, i listed every Pokemon that learned Curse on its own and the owns that learned it through breeding, but no luck. youll have to resort to the GameShark if you really want it..

yeah, sounds like gameshark's the only way, if you want to spend about $40... :unsure:

Oh well. I guess I'll have to wait until Nintendo makes it possible to send old Pokémon to the RuSa packs... then I could send a Skarmory with curse already and pick up Spikes by level up!

Thanks for the help anyways. I really appreciate the effort.

Can't you just teach another pokemon curse? :huh:

QUOTE (Latios 007 @ Apr 24 2003, 06:28 PM)

Can't you just teach another pokemon curse? :huh:

hm yeah..and if you do, here are all the Pokemon that can learn it..i wrote all this down when i was trying to figure out a way to have Skarmory learn it.

Learn it by leveling up:
Torkoal <Field>
Shuppet/Banette <Amorphous>
Duskull/Dusclops <Amorphous>

Learned by Egg Moves
Mudkip <Monster/Water 1>
Slakoth <Field>
Electrike <Field>
Wailmer <Field/Water 1>
Grimer <Amorphous>
Zangoose <Field>
Chimecho <Amorphous>
Absol <Amorphous>
Rhyhorn <Monster/Field>
Spheal <Field/Water 1>

Wow! You really did put a lot of effort into this!

I got the idea of putting Curse on Skarmory because it was listed as one of his egg moves in a Pokedex website elsewhere. The web site was great! Maybe Skarmory really could learn Curse, if he had someone who knew it and was breeding compatible. (that someone obviously doesn't exist)

My second thought was Bulk-Up. That would have been a great replacement for Curse, and happens to be a TM. :rolleyes: Sadly, Skarmory can''t learn that one, either.

I guess we can consider this mystery solved. Er, at least we can say that it's impossible for now. Thanks for all the help! :lol:


Next question, please! ;)

hey wait a sec, if it was listed as one of his Egg Moves, perhaps he can learn it in the G/S/C versions...? i mean its very possible, the problem is the lack of Flying Egg-Types that have dual types that are compatible with Pokemon that can learn Curse. this may only be the case though because of the lack of old Pokemon...

Maybe it was just a mistake that the person on that website made. It's is possible you know. :huh:

i was right. Skarmory can learn Curse in G/S/C. its a TM move in those versions, and Skarmory is compatible with it.

Yup! My very own Cursing Skarmory has been sitting in my Silver Ver. for months. I'm very proud of him! At least, he's not as cheap as a Cursing Lugia. :malicious smile: Now THAT's fun!

Lugia with Leftovers
Curse
Recover
Aeroblast
Earthquake

Heh heh..... but he is Legendary, so he doesn't see battle often. Unlike my brother, I will hold back on using Legendaries when requested to. (stupid Kyogre..... would've beaten my brother's if not for that power switch... grrr!)


New question! I've caught a Latios! Yay! Well, a set of moves for him would be nice..... Anyways, my Latios is a boy. Um.... legendaries aren't suppsed to have genders, and mine does. Glitch? Or can someone else varify this? The question then would be, "Can he breed?" I'm just curious...

like ive said in another thread, Latios and Latias both have genders, but they cant breed. they dont have an Egg Group.

Aww.... oh well. At least he can participate in the Battle Tower, like you said. Great!

What curse are you trying to get? ( You know cause curse functions differently for ghosts)

I don't expect to get the ghost-Curse for Skarmory. My moveset revolves around boosting his attack and making his defense impenetrable. (Yeah, who in their right mind would use a physical attack against a Skarmory?!? Oh well.....) With two strong physical moves that receive STAB, Skarmory could use all the attack boost he can get. Ah well. He's for novelty, anyways. It won't work for now.

Well, Here's the summary for basic Pokémon Breeding, in case anyone needs a summary to understand the Breeding Suggestions Post.


The Requirements:

For one, you need to put a male Pokémon and a female Pokémon in the daycare west/left of Mauville. If there's two males, two females, one of either, or none at all, you won't get an egg. Guaranteed.

Secondly, the two Pokémon have to be from the same egg group. If you're not sure which egg group your particular Pokémon is in, ask. And yes, a Pokémon in the Bug/Flying egg groups will yield an egg if placed with another from the Bug egg group or the Flying egg group. That's ok, providing everything else is met.

Thirdly, these things take TIME. I believe time, in this case, is measured by the steps you take. Talk to the old man just outside the daycare garden. If he says your Pokémon get along, it'll take less time. If he says they don't get along, it'll take more time. If he says they prefer to play with others, your two love-birds won't produce an egg.


The Results:

If all goes well, the old man outside the daycare garden will step out of the garden. Talk to him then. He'll have an egg (or more, depending on how long you've walked for,) for you. Take the egg and run around. The more steps you take, the closer it'll be to hatching. I suggest taking the Mach Bike to some long, unobstructed trail and cycle back and forth. It's *slightly* faster that way, because you won't stop "walking" by battling the Elite 4 or doing something else.

When your egg hatches, it'll be either male or female. It's species will be the lowest stage of the same line it's mom is part of. For example, a Raichu mother will yield a Pichu kid, providing it made an egg, providing the father was from the same egg group. A Rhyhorn mother will yield a baby Rhyhorn. (I'll never understand why a female Kanghaskhan yields an "adult" Kanghaskhan with a "baby" in the "newborn's" pouch. Weird game designers....)

Every baby will be born (hatched?!?) with certain moves, based on its species. If the mother or father knew any TMs the baby could otherwise learn, the baby will be born with knowledge of them as well. If the father knows any special "egg moves" for the child's species, the child will also learn them.

However, common sense will tell you that a baby can only learn at most 4 of these moves when it hatches. I'm not sure which ones take priority....


Anyways, teaching a Pokémon egg moves is one of the best ways of getting great Pokes with great moves. It's all about unlocking hidden potential.

Now go and read the "Breeding Suggestions" Topic. It's chock-filled with tons of useful Breeding Examples/Instructions for raising the ultimate Team. Bwa ha ha. <end of advertisement>

When your egg hatches, it'll be either male or female. It's species will be the lowest stage of the same line it's mom is part of. For example, a Raichu mother will yield a Pichu kid, providing it made an egg, providing the father was from the same egg group. A Rhyhorn mother will yield a baby Rhyhorn. (I'll never understand why a female Kanghaskhan yields an "adult" Kanghaskhan with a "baby" in the "newborn's" pouch. Weird game designers....)

actually thats not entirely true. if you breed two Azumarrill, you will get a Marril, not an Azurill.

Yeah? Well, I forgot to mention that Marrill and Wobbuffet are exceptions. I was thinking about it, but I forgot to write it down. So sue me. (I'll sue back.... ;) )

Marrills need to hold a Sea Incense to have baby Azurill, and Wobbuffets neet to hold a Lax Incense to have baby Wynauts. So, you could pair a female Marril (holding a Sea Incense) with a male from the same egg group, and get an Azuril. I'm not sure if Azumarill will also yield the same results, but I'd never use Azumarill in any serious battles, so I wouldn't do any extensive breeding with them.

no one was being rude Zephyrion. theres no need to get all defensive.

I am? Oops. Must be my split personality.

*gotta get that checked*

Anyways, the summary holds true for any Pokémon you'd seriously battle with or seriously pass moves to. (Who'd battle with a Wynaut?!?) I rest my case.

*For the insatiably curious, and for my personal reference,
here's the colour match-ups for the Breeding Suggestions Topic.

Titles:

Attack/Move Names

the words
Level ,
Egg ,
TM ,
and HM .

Pokémon Natures

Special Abilities