I think they should leave because they have lost to Nastya (Anastasia Myskina) & Vera Zvonareva in the doubles match at the critical moment when they tired 2-2 with Russia at the final of FED Cup 2004, as the result they can't defend their championships & their team leader Guy Forget was resigned!! :( :cry:

Thus, I think they should receive the suitable punishment - leave this team to make a self-examination at least one year!! -_- <_<

What do you think? :huh: :unsure: :wacko:

Without knowing the full story on the situation, I still think that your wish of 'punishing' them for one loss is unwarranted.

Myskina and Zvonareva are both excellent singles players (I don't know much about their pairing in doubles) and their form in 2004 has been quite impressive. So it is hardly surprising that they played well for their country.

I don't see any reason for the removal of Loit and Bartoli from the French Fed Cup team, UNLESS France has two better female players to step up to the plate.

This is of course only MHO.

I don't think people should be kicked out of a team just because they lost one match... That's just not fair at all.

LoL. We posted at the same time, Trace!

yours counts more cause it was longer and better :P Muahahaha

:unsure:

everybody can lose a match, it's ridiculous to kick them out of the team. if every player who loses a Fed Cup/Davis Cup match must leave the team, you probably won't have many players left, eh.

don't be foolish..

If that was the way it works, what would be the spanish davis cup team, I'm asking myself..

So NO, definitly not because of only one loss.
(But I don't know the full story, just not because of that)

No of course not !
The Fed Cup had team had a big problem because Amélie wasn't here to help them... yeah, that's true, but we had also other good players ! And if you look @ the score... 3/2 isn't a severe punishment !
And moreover, seeing how good the russian girls have been all year long (3 of them winning a GS tournament whereas the french girls, except Amélie... :blink: ), so it's just normal that they won !
Emilie and Marion are single players before being double players... that's all I have to say ! (but it's quite long already lololol)

yeah its not as if they commited a cardinal sin or anything. sure if u say just because someone loses a rubber in any dc or fed cup tie they should be kicked off the team, very few, if any, would still be playing.

Yeah, who has never lost a match ? :blink: Even, Feds had already lost one... FEDS !!!!

my god how could feds do such a thing?????

thats it he should be punished and forced to leave the swiss dc team.

im sure switzerland would love that, ok maybe not them but def their opponents!

I'm still wondering... *scratching head*

Amelie Maursemo should leave, with y'know deciding not to play in the semis/final, so she shouldn't be allowed to play for France again.

And Mary Pierce should leave if she's going to get injured. How can she do that to the squad? I mean, getting injured. Tut, tut.

Oh yes, and both Tatiana Golovin and Nathalie Dechy should leave too coz they also each lost a match.

And Svetlana Kuznetsova should doubly leave the Russian side becasue she lost, like, twice.

</sarcasm>

u know what, i never wud've guessed ruth.

;) :P

Smartie, can you tell me why Mary Pierce should leave the FED Cup team of France please? :huh: :unsure: :wacko:

(She has nothing mistake in the team.)

PierceCheng, notice the </sarcasm> bit on the end? It means that Ruth (Smartie) was being sarcastic.

:omg: Feds lose a match?!?!?!? Never! lol

As Tracey said, I was being sarcastic. You can't say a player (or players) should leave the team simply for losing one match. And you can't put the all blame on the two girls who fought their hardest to try and win that doubles match. If the doubles hadn't been the deciding rubber, would you reaction have been the same?!

Perhaps if the team hadn't been left in the lurch by their more experienced players not playing, they might have fared better, but they all tried their hardest and were just been by the better team on the day (two days).

Sorry for the delayed reply, but I've been busy with exams.

I post this poll because I want to tell you - Guy Forget has resigned & his compatriot Georges Goven has replaced him to became the new leader of the FED Cup team for France. -_-

Also, it is the one of Accountability System (this means are if someone make the most serious mistake, they must resign their positions or fired by their boss to response this metter in the Hong Kong Government). -_-

If you disagree that, can you give me any good suggestion please? :huh: :unsure: :wacko:

Advice?

Ok...

You win some, you lose some. If you quit after you lose, you're a loser. No two ways about it. Thinking that someone should quit the team because they lost, they're just mentally wrong. People lose. It's a human thing. You can't be expected to win all the time.

Resigning from your seat in Government is a whole different matter to resigning from a sporting team because you lost. Being in Government means that you often have the fates (overgeneralisation here perhaps, but I'm making a point) of millions of people on your hands. If you make a serious mistake as a Government member, then it's up to you to decide what the correct choice of action is for the entire country, not just for yourself. If resigning is the correct choice, for the benefit of the people of that country, then that's what should be done.

A sporting team may often come to symbolise an entire country, but a win or a loss in the Fed Cup will not destroy or seriously alter the lives of millions people. Can resigning from the Fed Cup really make France a better country? Will the resignation fo Bartoli and Loit make the world a better place? Has their loss impacted on anyone to such a degree that their lives have been ruined? No. A mistake by a Government can do that. You can't compare the two. They're incomparable.


And hasn't this 'discussion' (I use the word lightly) gone on long enough?

Thanks for your opinion, Miztreated. :)

But I need your suggestion instead advice. <_<

Otherwise, I don't think some peoples are loser when they quit their lost. <_<

Okay, so suggestion instead of advice then.

Get over it.



Am I being blunt enough now? Does it MATTER now? Did it matter THEN?

Well I don't really know what to expect of "blunt enough", but I reckon it would satisfy for today :)

Does Amélie compete on the Fed Cup team? I agree that it's not fair to remove Loit and Bartoli! IS Tathiana Golovin on the team - she's pretty good, isn't she?

FYI, now that you've seen the first of PierceCheng, you're never going to see the last of him. He's been banned from the hingis.org forums twice because he's always posting nonsense polls (such as this one), and constantly annoying people with his lists of players he doesn't like because they've beaten Mary Pierce and Anna Kournikova. :rolleyes:

Argenteuil, I have been banned by the administrator of Hingis.org once only. <_<

At the same times, I post this poll because I just want to express my discontent at them when they have lost to Russia in this event. <_<

If you don't like that, can you tell me how should I do to improve it please? :huh: :unsure: :wacko:

:mellow: TO IMPROVE:


JCFO Guideline no.3:

From the results of this "poll", I would say that the majority of posters here think this poll is pointless.


JCFO Guideline no.4:

I would say that in saying that you 'hate' a player because they beat your favourite player, or saying that they should quit a team because they lost one game, could be counted as hateful and ignorant.


Centre Court Rule no.2:

I reckon saying that you hate a player or saying that two people are wholly and entirely responsible for a Fed Cup loss in which FOUR players took part, I reckon that could be counted as dissing a player.


Centre Court Rule no.3:

Obviously that's already happened.



Is that enough information on how to improve for you now?



Besides, being banned from one site already would kind of prove that there's obviously something wrong, so why repeat what you did there again? Isn't that basically purposely inviting another ban?

Miztreated, thank for your suggestion. :)

But I don't want get ban in every forum (include this). <_<

I post this topic because I just just want to express my feeling. <_<

Otherwise, you says that Marion Bartoli & Emilie Loit should leave team is not fair, can you give me any reason & document to certificate it please? :huh: :unsure: :wacko:

sorry is that not what everyones been posting about in this topic already?

:rolleyes:

For God's sake, this is a Juan Carlos Ferrero forum,
we don't want polls about EVERY little argument in the tennis world,
let alone every argument in the ATP world.

If you want to "express your feelings", please express them on a WTA forum or a forum about French tennis players or wherever ppl or willing to discuss it with you.
Go bother ppl who don't experience it as bothering, express your feelings to the walls if necessary. (Poor walls)

What are you even doing here, actually? I bet you don't care for JCF.
He probably already talked to many WTA-players who beat Pierce & Kournikova before, is that not a valuable reason to dislike him?

Whoooooaaaaa, Carole, that was harsh. If you guys are getting annoyed, which is pushing you to do things against the rules then I suggest you ignore the topic and anything else that annoys you.

Marionette, if you think this that I'm annoying, I will try to stop post this problem topic now. <_< -_-

I think you misunderstood me, I was saying that if anyone is finding this topic a little... trivial (that's definitely not the right word, but I can't think of another) or annoying then they should simply ignore it. Anyway, the Fed Cup fiinal was three months ago, let it go, the past is the past and a silly forum poll isn't going to change anything.

Maybe someone could close definitely this topic ?! *Lily* ^_^

*clears throat* I tried to let this topic slide under the radar - since it really can't be counted as a 'hate' topic - and although I don't like squashing debates, I think this particular one is getting rather heated between Forum members.

For future reference, I'd encourage those of you that have commented on this topic to consider what Tracey has said in her latest post. Basically, if you think a certain topic is not worth your time, then let it go. You're not forced to comment on every forum topic, so if there are some that you don't have anything productive to contribute to, then just leave it alone. :)