First off I apologize for this topic as I know the subject of homosexuality and bisexuality is a bit touchy and I try to keep this forum free from too many sexual and highly controversial subjects, more so sexual, but there’s a rather dumb question that has been nagging me for a bit so I’ve decided I will finally ask it.

For those of you who don’t know what the difference is homosexuality, with the prefix homo meaning same, means a person who is attracted to the same sex; i.e. Girl x girl, guy x guy. Bisexual is being attracted to both sexes as a bicycle has two wheels (not counting training wheels but that takes this whole sentence into a whole ‘nother sexual innuendo and I don’t even want to go there).

Anyway last night I was watching A Shot At Love II with Tila Tequila. This is basically your typical bachelor or in this case bachelorette reality TV teen oriented MTV crap show (don’t judge me I was really bored ok). The catch is it’s a competition between 15 guys AND 15 girls to see who will basically win Tila’s heart. I could totally go off on the irony of the whole show and how it’s really lust versus love, but I think I ramble on about enough random shit as it is. So watching this once again has made me realize that bisexuality and/or homosexual is becoming ever more common and seems like it is more common in females. I could be wrong, but this is just my interpretation based on what I see and personally I think this could be mostly due to the fact that women are more open and emotional than men and as such bond with each other in different ways that are becoming ever more sexual now days.

My question is more directed at the ladies here, but I was wondering if this whole bisexuality or homosexuality is as odd for you as it is me? Basically I was wondering what your perspective on this whole issue is as it seems to me like lesbianism is not only more common, but more socially accepted. Is this just me?

Now I will admit for me personally there is something oddly arousing about seeing two women together. Looking at in different terms its like guitar and video games, they are good alone, but when paired together make quite a nice trio. Basically its two things I like come together which is even better. It’d be like taking different band members from different bands you like and putting them together to make one super band that is even more awesome. I try to put myself in those girl’s shoes to get the other perspective and personally the concept of kissing another guy just freaks me the F out. In fact I’m slightly repulsed by it. “No way not gonna happen, not for money, not for anything”. I’m wondering if you women feel the same way when you see two females making out. Do you also find it arousing when two guys kiss? I know yaoi is pretty popular among a number of female cosplay fans. Personally I never saw the appeal in it, but really it’s just the opposite of my perspective.

I suppose the more broad less sexist question I want is ask is lesbianism or even just bisexuality among women more common than men? And does this seem to be more socially accepted or are both male and female parties more or less subjected to the same amount of criticism?

Well being the dane who isnt afraid to answer any questions, or whom it takes alot to feel offended by questions, i will give my thoughts about it, since youve appearently been giving it some thoughts, and it would be a shame for you if noone answered imo.

Generally, from my experience from alot of nights in town, bisexuality among girls is more seen then among boys, but actually the degree og bisexuality you see at night clubs really, is from my experience, not much more then fun and teasing. Basicly, girls know the power they got when they go to nigth clubs, and if they are hot looking, and for some odd reason, most of us guys find it hot to watch to hot looking girls kissing each other and pretending that they are bisexual, while teasing the audience. I know alot of girl friends of mine who do this, but who isnt really interested in girls in that way, since they always end up with a boyfriend instead of a girlfriend.
I think its more the fact that they know that they get attention for it, and thus do it, with suprisingly, their best female friend, who they know so well anyways that they aint bothered about it..

A boy kissing another guy does not have this effect at night clubs really.. so when you see this from a guy who is normally straight.. its mostly because that they are too drunk to think about it, and that they will regret it the morning afterwards when they see the pictures taken xD..

A real Bi-/homosexual person, who actually switch between both female and male partners, and not just for fun nights.. is not something that i see that often really, it happens from time to time.. but i havnt seen an increasement.

About what is most accepted?.. well where i come from, we are pretty open minded, and i dont involve myself in these, things.. if thats what they want, fine with me.. Its just not something i would like to try..
I cant really speak from how girls react on a lesbian or a gay, so i can only give it from the male/my point of view.

What ive experienced, is that as i said earlier, that seeing to girls doing hot stuff that shouldnt be gone into details here, has often a catching effect on the male mind, as they think about how they would like to join in as well xD..

Gays are becomming more and more accepted i think, but being guys as we are, there will always be this kinda "tough guy" feeling and attitude when we speak to each other.. thats just how we are. So if you go into a night club, and if you see two guys kissing, there will most likely be a "omg check out those two gays!.. damn nasty.. well more girls for us then". But it will be kept to ourselfs really, as it isnt like we are getting angry about it, and gonna tell them that they are going to hell or something.. its their life.

And well ive been rambling a bit now.. so think ill just and it here, and see if i need to add something laters..

Hmm thats a very interesting thought STOWA that hadn't occured to me. Cheers on the reply by the way.

I know two of my female college friends ended up kissing one night at a frat party, eventually having a three-some kiss with my old roommate (that lucky bastige). I know neither one of them is bi as they both have boyfriends now and were quite interested in men to begin with. As far as I know this wasnt an attempt to get attention it was just a "well we were both drunk, our judgement was impared so don't judge us" kind of story. My old roommate on the other hand, well he's still straight as an arrow and lovin' women =P

I do think that as a whole society has made lesbianism seem more open if you will while gay's are usually shunned a bit more. I'm sure there is just as much bisexual stuff happening between men as there is women only its more socially acceptable for women to make a public display of it. Once again this is partially due to cultural pressures as you mentioned STOWA in that guys are taughted to be "tough" while women are taught to be "sexy" and it just so happens that now days sexy includes kissing another girl.

As I mentioned in my other post yaoi/general guy x guy stuff seems to be rather popular among (usually) cosplay girls, but I still don't think two guys could really pull off kissing each other to attract women even if they were beating the shit out each other at the same time to retain that same "tough guy" charisma. Besides that as you mentioned STOWA it just really doesnt work the other way because a girl could see two guys kissing and instantly assume they are homosexual rather than bisexual and even if she finds them both attractive probably has a stigma that they wouldn't be interested in her.

Of course this begs another question are guys normally just fullblown homosexuals because of the cultural pressures which make bisexuality either uncomon or just all together not possible for men?

But hey I'm just thinking out loud here and besides the fact that I have nothing else to ramble on about at the moment I will let someone else reply.

Interesting topic.

I was brought up in Brighton which has been dubbed the Gay Capital of England. So I've grown up with as an open perspective in regards to homosexuality (at least I would like to think that). I've had a few gay friends too (men and women). I really don't think there are more female homosexual/bi couples coming out over here. I would say it's fairly even. In fact I seem to remember there being more homosexual men than women when we used to go out to gay bars and clubs in Brighton. From my experience though I can see why there might be more homosexual women coming out then men.

For example we used to have a gay guy working in our store, he moved here from another one. He was really lovely and a little bit camp. Most of the guys here though treated him like shit just because of his sexual preference. It wasn't even nasty things they would say it was more because they were afraid of him and because he was gay that meant he automatically fancied them. So they avoided talking to him and talked about him behind his back. In the end he left because he couldn't take the nasty vibes that they gave him. We came really close and he told me that when he was younger he got beaten up badly because of his sexual preference.

This kind of behavior though, in my eyes, is why more women would come out then men. Some men just act like total morons, like the guys in my store. They make life horrible for someone with a different sexual preference to them because they are scared or for what ever reason they do it (to feel more manly maybe?). Where as if a woman came over to them and said hey I'm homosexual they would love it because like you said for most guys there's something about seeing two women doing sexual stuff together. So maybe less guys come out because they get more aggro with admitting that they are gay.

As for me well the thought of kissing another woman has never crossed my mind not even while I've been drunk. I'm just not attracted to other women. As for yaoi I used to read bits and bobs but mainly because one of my online friends was in love with it. I can kind of see the appeal being a woman. It would be like a guy reading lesbian porn or yuri. I imagine there are a few gay guys out there that read yaoi too...

Anyway I have to go and do some work but I might come back and elaborate more later :D

Wow very interesting topic indeed.

Okay first off I would have to say that STOWA I know what you are talking about. Girls here do that kind of shit all the time. In Gladstone we are a mining town so that means like 2 guys to every girl. So every time the girls go out they try and make a big impression and have pash and whatnot, makes themselves seem sexy but I don't think any of them are actually bi.

I have only had one bi friend who I think turned lesbian. But yeah she just used to talk to me about it all the time, just random stuff about their relationship and I didn't really want to hear but it's not that I didn't except it but I just didn't want to hear a whole bunch of crap. But I see alot of lesbians have just a lot of girl friends in general even though they may not be lesbians they stick like to hang around her like leeches.

We have a gay guy working at my work and he is a really nice lad, we kind of forced him to come out which was pretty funny but working in a place where he is the only boy it never matters because we don't care, we used to ask him how is boyfriend was and stuff and talk to him about issues and whatnot. But there are a lot of gay guys where I live now and no one cares. As long as they don't go standing around the mall and making out then thats fine. Because I know that straight guys hate seeing guys kiss.

Okay, it's not a turnon for me to see two girls kiss, I don't know why men think it is awesome but they do. I don't really care, I have almost done something like that when a couple that were friends with me and my boyfriend asked me to do some stuff with his girlfriend and they would watch but I thought it would ruin the friendship. So know and I don't think my boyfriend could handle seeing another guy watching me do that stuff.

So anyway I think that covers everything so far...

ok, well I cant say I dont like it when 2 girls kiss...I used to have two chick freinds who used to fight over me. And I asked them to kiss and they did...it was pretty cool lol.

BUUUT back on the subject.
Im not going to talk alot about it, because of what I believe is just simple.
LEAVE EM BE, if gay ppl marry, then let them. It's after all a "free country" + whats the big deal? it pisses me off when ppl say they hate em just because their gay. I know lots of gay ppl, there all cool. Plus if you tell them that your not gay, chances are they'll leave you alone. So...get over it america.

Well Kingtard to be quite fair, i dont think that America is the only country you should say should get over it.. since homophobia and intolerance is many other places in the world as well ;)..

Also i think the topic is more about if homo/bisexuality has increased in our eyes recently, or if its just in the media and television shows it has become more of a focus as TMC had begun to ponder.. So its not a question about if we aprove or not :)

BiSeXuAlItY:

I know about 3 right now, and they all agree that though they like girls, they still like boys a lot more. One even said kissing a girl is just like "kissing a person" but he doesnt get the same tingly feeling he gets when he kisses a boy. Bisexuality, is it all just an act?

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I would say that bi/homosexuality is becoming more acceptable. Media plays a huge role in this frontier as even family shows like the simpsons and family guy are beginning to explore this realm. non-homosexual men are beginning to be okay with light homosexual acts, though unlike girls, they mean it in a more joking way than to attract, then dismiss the act by saying that oh so famous line:
"No Homo."

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[gays v lesbians= oh the numbers] =from observations at skool=

open lesbians:
that one girl in band
her twin
The Hewitt Girl
Her girlfriend
Kasey
Her girlfriend
that one girl in my science class

open gays:
Kenneth
his boyfriend
Devin [ though i think he's a self-proclaimed bi ]

Tally 'em up, girls are the winner. Why I think so:
You go into a toy shop, its okay to let your little girl play with the yellow truck, or the basketball if she wants. tell her to grow up to be an astronaut, a lawyer--
However, when you go to the toyshop with your little boy, he strictly must stay in the sports and action figure section, heaven forbid he picks up a high school musical barbie or princess muffin cooking set.

America's culture, and many others, is just so imbed that men MUST be manly. And that's just how it is [and always will be?]. thus men are more pressured to stick to their roles and codes of conduct, even if they must restrict their own desires

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God v Gays v America?

Homosexuality in christian terms is a challenge sent by God that Christians must overcome. Very much like the desire of pre-marital sex, lying, and doing other bad deeds. Christians insist homosexuals change their ways for their own good.
However atheism, individualism, and liberty has weakened/modified God. Thus homos tend not to change their ways and some Christians are OKAY with homosexuals.[btw, i don't see those liberal Christians as TRUE Christians, for as D Shaw said:"There is one god and one interpretation and people change God because they don't want to change themselves"] Christians cannot leave gays alone because it is their duty to spread the good word of God. By ignoring these acts, they are being unfaithful to God.

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=Perspectives=
Boy on boy action:

is hot.
I can tolerate girl on girl action, but that doesnt necessarily mean I enjoy viewing the act.

I don't understand why any male find girl-on-girl hot, chances are they 100% lesbian. (True "Bisexualism" in reality is actually rare) You is not getting any so why would you care? Now what I would find hot is two girls with me.

As for some hetersexual women puting on "bisexual acts", that is usually to gain some guy's attention (well, the ones that find that type of stuff interesting) and is used for a tease.

Well i must admit, that if two atractive women were in some hot action together, well then i would find it hot.. I mean i can with no problem look at beautifull woman and find her hot, without getting anything at all.. so why couldnt i find two beautifull women doing girl-on-girl hot as well?... *shrugs

And aye as alot of us has said then i almost agree with that "hetersexual women puting on "bisexual acts"" is for getting some guys attention.. since actually with my experience, i find it more to get not just a certain guys attention, but peoples attention, the cameras attention, actually just to get attention and popularity that night on the nightclub.. I mean ive known alot of girls whos been watching photos on the websites next days giggling over them just for the fun of it and showing them to their other girl friends etc etc.. Its part of the game, its part of the youth and culture when going to nightclubs really.. to be wild, become loose.. enjoy yourself.. and do what you can to become popular for the night..

When God created Earth he made Adam and Eve.

Not Adam and Steve

I have a friend that likes girl-on-girl who gave me a similar answer. I love to look at beautiful women too, but I never found girl-on-girl hot. I guess it depends on the person. I prefer the ladies give me some action instead of me just looking at it being done.

What about Adriana and Eve, K_D?

(It's actaully kinda hard to find a females name that rhymes with Adam and no Madame does not cut it)

Good points everyone and Kingtard this topic isn't about pointing the finger about those who differ in thier sexual preference its just to discuss whether lesbianism is more common than gays or if that is just something the media has created. Its also to discuss why that may be so which we seem have summed as 1) For the attention/popularity it nabs the ladies and 2) Because as a society men are classically conditioned to be "manly" in other words men are more stigmatized for publicly displays homosexuality wheras its acceptable (even hot in some cases) for women to do so.

You made a good point Omega, but personally I think you kind of contradicted yourself. I don't think all men see two girls kissing and automatically think they are full blown lesbians and not interested in men, because there is a high possibility (as discussed) that they are bisexual and either doing it for attention or perhaps just because they really do like both sexes.

I will admit that is usually the first thought that comes to mind for me, but naturally I have to contradict myself later in an attempt to over analyze the situation and realize they could be bisexual.
Its really kind of funny how people can view an event or situation and automatically make assumptions and jump to conclusions completely missing the real story. For example (albeit a bit off topic), last month we had our parkinglot redone at work and the cardboard dumpster was completely full. Unfortunately there was no place to put the extra cardboard so I had to throw it in the regular dumpster. Well as I was doing so some old hippie droving by honked at me engraged that I was throwing it away rather than recycling. In his mind I'm sure I appeared as an apathetic person who doesn't care about the environment when in fact the oposite it true. I try to do my part to save resources and recycle, I don't go as out of my way as some people, but I still make the attempt. Of course for all I know he might not have been honking at me at all he could've been honking at another driver who had cut him off. There's so many variables that its just a shame when people only look at one side of things. Now I'm not talking about anyone here I'm just saying in general there is more than meets the eye, there's a whole world of knowledge out there beside just a black and white way to look at things, kind of interesting to think about.

Twas just a quote from a film that tickled a funnybone.

In all reality us humans are limited to the mind set of our own so can never understand truly what another persons though train is. To some people it is to love someone of the same sex as it is for me to love someone of the opposite sex.

It's similar in many ways to heterosexuality that there's a time and a place for it and even though not my cup of tea it would never change my opinion or the way I would treat a person.

Another thing is. Is that most chicks that are in girl on girl movie's, They arn't really lesbian. Maybe bi...but I dont think they are fully lesbians. They do what ever they can for a pay check.

But thats off topic...SRY =o

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