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Title: Strength in Good Vs Evil


Red Fox - December 17, 2007 05:26 AM (GMT)
Have you ever thought of; how much stronger the evil dudes are compared to the good ones?

Take FF. You have a group of 3 (4 in IX) and you NEED those high level warriors to be able to take down a single evil human warrior.

Why are the good so weak?

Comparing.
The Seifer battle in FFVII, on disk2

He was one of you, but he turned "evil" and turned on you.
You needed all your 3 characters to kill him, AND he took down Odin, if you had him.


Other games.
Every boss character, always evil, since the gamer is good.
Why do they have so myth strength, and HP.
Why are they so much stronger then you.

Yes, I know it is so that you can get a challenge in the game.
bit COMMON!. Keep it real.

Back to FFVII, The ultimecia battle. that is ok, since she is a powerful sorceress.
But that's about it.




Why are the Evil so much stronger then good, Even comparing that they where just your team mate.

Vaskal - December 17, 2007 05:36 AM (GMT)
As you said, it's to make the game challenging. Though the bad guys being far stronger than the good seems to be more in RPG's than other games. Otherwise, it's one good character slaughtering thousands of bad ones. Where's the fairness there? It's just about making the game work, plain and simple.

If you really want to ask about stuff like that, take game sequels. Most of the time, even if you're using the same character(s), they're far weaker at the beginning of the sequel than they were at the end of the original game.

The Omega Weapon - December 17, 2007 05:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Red Fox @ Dec 16 2007, 10:26 PM)

Why are the Evil so much stronger then good, Even comparing that they where just your team mate.

I don't think the evil dudes are necessary always stronger, so here is my theory: The evil guys are often willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish their goal. If you get a good guy with same ambitions without anyone/anything holding him back, then he would be just as equally strong.

If you look at the parties of the good guys, there is usually always someone who is scared or lacks talent, or is in a disagreement with the group. That person/s stall time and energy and hold everyone back.

I personally don't see why the group always have to bring that person. Now I don't mean you should not be friends with him/her, but don't bring such a person with you on a life threatening adventure!

Red Fox - December 17, 2007 05:51 AM (GMT)
All this is good, and true. but I find it annoying, that it is like that.
like Vaskal mentioned:

QUOTE
If you really want to ask about stuff like that, take game sequels. Most of the time, even if you're using the same character(s), they're far weaker at the beginning of the sequel than they were at the end of the original game.


Take FFX -> FFX-2
I know why Yuna lost her Summoning powers, But. Why did she loose her magic powers?
Same with Rikku. she lost it as well.

Off course, this is to balance the game, and make room for the Dress Sphere system But Comon.

same in a lot of games, after you complete the first game, your character is a god, and you are back to newb in the sequel. Again, this is for balance, and game play. Strive for new, and better, skills and all that.

But I for one, find it rather annoying about these things.
Why is evil stronger. yes, some ideas here have been supplied from you guys.
But as I stated. I still find it somewhat Irritating.

Stephanie - December 18, 2007 12:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Omega Weapon @ Dec 17 2007, 03:08 PM)
I don't think the evil dudes are necessary always stronger, so here is my theory: The evil guys are often willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish their goal.

Hey I so totally agree, evil guys are more willing to do the hard yards to get stronger and get more power. Actually from what I know about evil guys is thats all they try to do is get more power and become more evil thus becoming stronger.

Where as good guys spend all their time helping other and so on and so forth so they arent devoting as much of their time to becoming stronger.

Stephen Griffiths - December 18, 2007 01:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Red Fox @ Dec 17 2007, 06:51 AM)
All this is good, and true. but I find it annoying, that it is like that.
like Vaskal mentioned:

QUOTE
If you really want to ask about stuff like that, take game sequels. Most of the time, even if you're using the same character(s), they're far weaker at the beginning of the sequel than they were at the end of the original game.


Take FFX -> FFX-2
I know why Yuna lost her Summoning powers, But. Why did she loose her magic powers?
Same with Rikku. she lost it as well.

Off course, this is to balance the game, and make room for the Dress Sphere system But Comon.

same in a lot of games, after you complete the first game, your character is a god, and you are back to newb in the sequel. Again, this is for balance, and game play. Strive for new, and better, skills and all that.

But I for one, find it rather annoying about these things.
Why is evil stronger. yes, some ideas here have been supplied from you guys.
But as I stated. I still find it somewhat Irritating.

This is the reason FF games, and RPG's in general shouldnt have sequels, Yes its all fine and good, but it makes no sense at all.

Take the zelda series, in each game you're using Link, but as the story goes its Link's decendants, so it does make sense in the long run. When RPG's try to create sequels its only for money spinning purposes.

TheMissingCloud - December 18, 2007 06:51 AM (GMT)
Change your perspective and it wont seem so.
QUOTE (Squall @ some point in FFVIII)
There's no good or bad side. Just two sides holding different views.)


On a different note the "evil" side typically values power and strength and craves it, hence the reason they appear and usually are so much stronger.

Red Fox - December 18, 2007 12:45 PM (GMT)
I think that the quote goes:

QUOTE (Squall @ FFVIII)
There is no good, there is no evil. It's just perspective and opinion


though, it means the same.

Aztec Triogal - December 18, 2007 04:32 PM (GMT)
Alright then, now tell me why people get stronger if they're only being perceived differently in games? Does that mean that Seifer is only more powerful because Squall perceived him differently? lol

Vaskal - December 18, 2007 04:36 PM (GMT)
I'm sure there's something to that, despite your joking intention ;-P Ever notice how the "bad guys" usually look way cooler and more intimidating than the "good guys"? Psychology is a huge part of warfare, and if you can make your opponent think you're stronger than you are, it really does give you an advantage.

Aztec Triogal - December 18, 2007 07:50 PM (GMT)
I'd prefer to think of it that when you're on your own you have to be stronger individually than when you can rely on group strength. That being said, a team that works well together is always stronger than the individual. That is why the bad guy is always stronger than the main character... but the team always triumphs over the bad guy. If bad guys ever got a union we'd be fucked.




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