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Kageryu - February 21, 2008 05:10 AM (GMT)
So, the talk of repinning and establishing threads anew to better represent the Anima Mundi along with other clan essentials(like the MIA thread we've been talking about for awhile) has been buzzing about. Chase and I were just discussing what other kind of threads we thought would be beneficial to the clan, and MIA thread aside, we thought the clan could use a "history" synposis, along with a "Golden Book" thread (as Chase put it, haha), which is basically like a revamped Readme(sort of anyways) to better convey the Anima.

We also want suggestions from you guys as well~ What kind of things do you think could be applied that would be beneficial? Initially we're talking about pinning threads for organizations sake, however, if you have anything else pressing your mind feel free to mention it.

Like, I personally just thought of a thread (which could probably tie into the History synopsis idea) that explained the FR/AM plot, and kept tabs on the plot progression, since Xantos asked a question for confirmation about where we stood not too long ago.

So -- feel free to discuss~

Chasey-Ryu-edits--
QUOTE (What happened on the Geothermal Blabla Viva quest?)
Right now we're going with... something crapped out while we were in the river. We know everything that Viva said, and when we logged back in after the river, we were in Mac Anu. Nobody has seen Viva since, but we're going to take to being careful around administrators and head-honcho people. :'DI think this is pretty much decided, but if anybody wants to change something bring it up.


QUOTE (What's the clan's general purpose?)
Well, this is still under discussion. (GUESS WHAT? YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT HERE! : D) but from what Art, Ryuu and I have talked about, we're a group of friends and we're working together to keep other Anima in the city out of trouble. Cause, technically, we're all illegal characters, right? We gotta look out for each other. :"D we help people who aren't in the clan, too, and we enlist other people to help us. In The World, the clan has "broken up" as far as people who aren't involved with the clan know, and it's a secret. ;O Only the members/honorary members/people we tell will know it's real. It's kind of like a rumor, but it's true and nobody knows.Talk about this!


QUOTE (When will the recruitment start?)
It will start when Kageryu, Artemis and I finish our "sort-things-out-IC" quest thing and when we decide what the recruitment is. :< It will start in a day or so, whenever Centrus is able to sort out is IRL problems. Right now we've come to the decision of Centrus running recruitment, with other members (such as me) working with other recruits, who want to, through the dueling process.
We need to talk about this as a clan. Discuss here.

People interested in being recruited can PM probably anybody in the clan, cause if they can't help you they'll refer you to someone who can. -This still applies-. The clan is open to anyone interested.


QUOTE (What are the requirements for joining the Anima Mundi?)
We need to talk about this as a clan. What are we going to expect from our members? Discuss here. :'D


QUOTE (What about honorary memberships?)
We are still going to let people join the clan under honorary memberships, but we need to talk as a clan about what we are going to expect of these honorary members. Again, let's discuss it here. (:


QUOTE (What shall the symbolic item representing the AM be?)
A few minutes ago though Chase and I were talking about means of identification for the AM. In the IC sense. The hacks of 'course pose as the most obvious way of differentiating between an AM member and a regular player, but like the FR's goggles, we're trying to think of a new little item that symbolizes our little entourage. I think I might've mentioned this once or a couple of times before. Kaz and I talked earlier about wristbands/armbands being that means of identification. I mentioned it to Chase as well and she thinks it sounds alright too.

What does everyone else think?
As Chase would say, DISCUSS IT. Since it still isn't decided, and not many members have commented.


QUOTE (The current hacks?)
Because there was some curiosity.
(as compiled by Centrus <3)
Current
I. AM Members:
Artemis: Peregrine Falcon
Chase: Ram
Jeri: Fox
Kageryu: Black Dragon
Xantos: Grey Wolf

II. AM Members in Limbo (inactive??)
H4X: Gargoyle
Hero: Lion
Viva: Raven

III. Honorary Members
Arcion: White Tiger
Dien: Human
Raquar: Arctic Fox
Kiwi: Kiwi
Cent: Thunderbird

Deceased/Missing/whatever.
I. Members
Asgard: Bear
Demmers: Duck
Duo: Iguana
Gillion: Wolf
Kamina: Wolf
Kiara: Dragon
Rayo: Dragon
Reinier: Platypus
Saeko: Fox
Sione: Panther
Taro: Kimodo Dragon
Vahn: Gryphon

II. Honorary Members
Cypher: White Tiger

LMAO DID ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE CYPHER WAS ON HERE 3 TIMES???

Should anything be changed?
Also if you're in limbo/dead and want to come back, let someone in the clan know.

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 05:16 AM (GMT)
That's also why we have no pinned threads right now. :3

So don't be scared. They're all still here, just unpinned.

Xantos - February 21, 2008 05:16 AM (GMT)
Well, the reason I wasn't sure was that the quest died mid, well, quest. And it's at times like that that it starts getting fuzzy how much of that is canon and how much isn't. I don't have anything constructive to add right now, as I'm only half concious, but I'll take a more awake look at things tomorrow, and see if I come up with anything.

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 05:23 AM (GMT)
Right now we're going with... something crapped out while we were in the river. We know everything that Viva said, and when we logged back in after the river, we were in Mac Anu. Nobody has seen Viva since, but we're going to take to being careful around administrators and head-honcho people. :'D

Correct me if I'm wrong, everybody else.

mrkaz - February 21, 2008 05:36 AM (GMT)
what chase said sounds about right. :'D
now we're finding each other and new members~ and waiting for either viva to come back or the courage/knowledge to try again by ourselves?

for the golden book, i think putting viva's anima mundi creed thing would be good :'> as part of the explanation of who/what we are. other than a big happi zoo family.

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 05:40 AM (GMT)
also, to the foxes--
jer and i want to make a little "history" thing, and maybe i could get one of you to help me with that? with the early history of the FR. :3

Kageryu - February 21, 2008 05:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (mrkaz @ Feb 21 2008, 05:36 AM)
what chase said sounds about right. :'D
now we're finding each other and new members~ and waiting for either viva to come back or the courage/knowledge to try again by ourselves?

for the golden book, i think putting viva's anima mundi creed thing would be good :'> as part of the explanation of who/what we are. other than a big happi zoo family.

Yeah. Same here. That could be thrown under history.

Both the Anima Mundi Creed as well as the FR Guidlines. Since it's what the clan used to stand for. I think the AM Creed could accurately describe what we are, sure, but I think it'd be better if we conjured up something from our own noggins y'know? She did a good job with that explanation, so we could definitely use it as foundation of making our own if we decide to.

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 05:48 AM (GMT)
I'm actually kind of re-doing it right now.. :x

I'll post it when I'm done? you guys can critique it/trash it. : D

Kageryu - February 21, 2008 05:51 AM (GMT)
Aha, will do Ali. I'm sure whatever you come up with 'll be more than substantial enough though.

Centrus - February 21, 2008 06:08 AM (GMT)
The obligatory Closet and such, if you aren't going to be using the one that Arc has been keeping up. A how to join, as well the creed and all that good stuff.

Chase will know what I mean when I say "Anything the Great D8 deems necessary should be."

Oh, and hiya all!

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 06:09 AM (GMT)
things we need to talk about have been edited into ryu's first post. I'll change the things in the quotes boxes when we decide stuff.

jer and i both agreed that the clan should be a democracy and everybody gets a say in what's happening~

edit: yaaay and hi Cent!

KamiKazeKiwi3 - February 21, 2008 06:11 AM (GMT)
Behold, I bring forth such thoughts as those that gave birth to the Great D8.

Recommended honorary member selection process:
Kiwi: They'll need to complete a task as chosen by the great D8.
Kiwi: The great D8, besides being named to resemble an emoticon and mess people up, is a large tetrahedral die.
Chase: Is it?
Chase: How do we enlist the great D8 to help us??
Kiwi: Yes. Its one of the Figment Raider artifacts, still slumbering at the bottom of the Mac Anu port.
Chase: we will have to dig it up.
Kiwi: Actually, it's underwater... it went with the ship.
Chase: they burned the ship. D:
Kiwi: But depending on how it sank, it may be slightly burried.
Kiwi: Yeah, but remains tend to... remain... and sink.
Kiwi: The great D8 is fire-proof. How else could it survive long, anyway?
Chase: True, with Xantos around...
Kiwi: The great D8 must be rolled, somehow, maybe by shoving it off a building.
Chase: how big is it?
Kiwi: ...Big. Like... large than a soccer ball big.
Chase: That's not too big.
Kiwi: Maybe like a TV. It should be a little hefty, but not too heavy.
Chase: It'll be easy to roll it off a building.
Chase: Since the roof is our new hideout
Kiwi: Upon its surfaces are inscribed various symbols detailing possible mythical undertakings. When the die lands, a designated die reader from the clan, educated in the arts of interpreting the inscriptions (sort of like reading oracle bones), approaches the die and determines the task that the potential honorary member must complete to be allowed in.
Chase: xDD
Kiwi: Strangely, the great D8 never seems to say the same options twice.
Chase: it's part of the mystery
Kiwi: *nod nod nod*
Chase: uggh. so much to type @_@
Kiwi: There are the truly difficult ones, such as defeating the Parasite Dragon. Then I've heard of quests for rare items: a learning curve, a light bulb repair kit, a bucket of grinder sparks, a left-handed screwdriver...
Chase: all my screwdrivers are ambidextrous. ;x
Chase: Does that count?
Kiwi: Hmmm... if the great D8 approves, then so it shall be.
Chase: Does the great D8 give out a signal if it approves?
Kiwi: I think it just needs to be rerolled.
Kiwi: And the checked.
Chase: I see.

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 06:20 AM (GMT)
I'm going to bed now but I want to see what you guys think about each of the uh.. discussion questions?

So yeah. post! >: D

Centrus - February 21, 2008 06:35 AM (GMT)
We have an Anima list as well.

List of current Anima:
Chase: Ram
Kageryu: Dragon
Xantos: Grey Wolf
Jeri: Fox
Artemis: Peregrine Falcon
Hero: Lion
Viva: Raven
H4X: Gargoyle
Sione: Panther
Saeko: Fox
Gillion: Wolf
Kiara: Dragon
Vahn: Gryphon
Taro: Kimodo Dragon
Rayo: Dragon
Kamina: Wolf
Duo: Iguana
Reinier: Platypus
Demmers: Duck
Asgard: Bear

Honorary Members
Arcion: White Tiger
Dien: Human
Cypher: White Tiger
Raquar: Working on it?
Kiwi: Kiwi
Cent: Working on it?

This is what Chase and I had. Mostly Chase, but I had four or five. xD

If anyone has any others, lemme know and I’ll update it.

mrkaz - February 21, 2008 06:56 AM (GMT)
hi cent and kiwi :'D

WE MUST FIND THE GREAT D8. who here can swim and dig at the same time?

yeii, this clan is a zoo family democracy~

for the anima list, try using the banner topic. it has almost every member there used to be and their animal.

Kageryu - February 21, 2008 07:14 AM (GMT)
Haha, Zoo Family democracy. Has a nice ring. Anyways. The D8 idea is interesting. Surprised I haven't heard of it 'till now. Think after recruitment we should have a little quest-a-did going scavenging for FR artifacts? Or does anyone mind going on a quest(with a clan member or just a plain solo, doesn't matter to me) to search for it? For the sake of actually retrieving it in IC.

We need a walrus anima D8'(the emote my friens). They'd be able to sink to the depths of Mac Anu and retrieve it no problem x':.

With what Centrus mentioned. Perhaps we could stick like. A clan animal kingdom in the book? Just for the hell of it. With a list of specific animal groups and the corresponding members who fit that kingdom.

Jpec07 - February 21, 2008 10:14 AM (GMT)
*exists*

A whale would be good, too, or some kind of fish...

Xantos - February 21, 2008 02:43 PM (GMT)
Okay, well, I've noticed a lot of people getting my hack wrong lately (especially Viva, you'd think the clan leader could be bothered to get it right >.>), and so it's time for correction-chan. Xantos is visually a gray Wolf. Ears 'n tail. The right ear is missing about an inch off the top, from a fight. The tail is gray, as mentioned, except for a white patch at the end, and is a mix of wolf and fox, shape-wise. He's also part fox, though those traits show more through his actions than his body. Being crafty, crazy, etc. Only minor physical influence, mostly on shapes.

I've noticed a handful of people going 'lul xan am f0xx plzkthx' description-wise, and it kinda irritates me since there's a link to my profile in my sig, which has a description in it. Though I'm being rather leniant since I have been doing some minor changes to hacks to show the fox side a bit more.

For all intents and purposes though, Xan is a wolf physical-wise, and that's how I describe him.

O:< Get it right.

[/rant]

(input later :( )

Arcion - February 21, 2008 04:45 PM (GMT)
While the animal for me is correct (White Tiger), I do have an issue with being listed as an Anima, I chose to leave this clan when it became the AM. I'm a Figment Raider, not part of the Anima Mundi clan, and I'll actually fight about that now that I've had a couple moments to step back and take a look from the outside.

The FR is not the AM and the AM is not the FR, I'll accept being an honorary AM because of my friendships here, but I will not accept being an official part of Anima Mundi any longer.

Centrus - February 21, 2008 05:06 PM (GMT)
Sorry about that Arc. I didn't mean to imply that the clans were the same, and, when you read what Art, Kage and Chase have said, neither do they. We all know the clan isn't the FR. Chase and I were merely talking about a comprehensive list of the animal hacks that have existed. I only used the word Anima because it was shorter than "Animal Hack." I meant no offense to anyone. My apologies.

Oh, and Art, that's what we used. =D Thanks.

And edited the list for the Captain Specific Bardock. =P

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 05:18 PM (GMT)
Aricon, I... well, I guess I don't really understand how you feel, because I'm not you. But I know what you mean. The AM is not the FR, and it never will be. We aren't trying to make it the FR, because it can't.

And in my mind, at least, the FR died when Lyra left, even if we continued operating under that name for awhile after she was gone.

So... yeah. That's all.

Arcion - February 21, 2008 05:28 PM (GMT)
Eh, well, at least in the beginning, the clan that Viva and Hax were running I think they specifically said that they were trying to recreate what the FR was, that's where we got the FRAM idea from, and what really aggrivated me and pushed me even further away.

And, in my mind at least, the FR isn't dead, even when Ly disbanded us as a clan, I still chose to list myself as a FR for a while, and even now I think of myself as a member of the (non-clan) FR.

Xantos - February 21, 2008 05:37 PM (GMT)
So it sounds like we're looking at Recruitment Requirements, Purpose, and Honorary duties at the moment. As far as Recruitment, I'm rather partial to 'you have to know us' since it gives the clan a more tight-knit feel, but on the other hand it can make growth slow sometimes. I much prefer a smaller group of people that I know most/all of than a large community. I find I tend to feel 'out of place' in larger guild/clan type settings.

Purpose? I really couldn't say. I expect 'having fun' is a given, so I'm going to skip over that, although I'm not coming up with much else in the way of purpose. Do we really need one?

As far as Honoraries go, what are we looking at having them do? I can't think of anything that should be required per se... Might have to get back to you on this one.

EDIT: One minor note. I did the FRAM banners(the ones I did, anyway), because I noticed it was close to farm, which if you think about it, we kinda are. Just in the large group of animals way. Not any correlation between the clans. They're two separate entities. Though I totally agree in your mindset that the FR are still alive, and they always will be. To be entirely honest, I still consider myself a FR before an AM.

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 05:40 PM (GMT)
Well, for purpose... kaz and I were thinking we could protect other people with hacks from getting their chars nerfed. but yeah, having fun and loving each other is number one obviously. :"D

Honoraries, I'm thinking, should be required to be in on all the lovin' and... well.. talk to us? : D

Xantos - February 21, 2008 05:55 PM (GMT)
Oh, and one other thing. I expect you've probably noticed by now, but I made us an RO thread to keep track of things on. I know you've found it Chase, and I got your stuff updated. For everyone else though, heads up that it's there.

Kageryu - February 21, 2008 07:37 PM (GMT)
Well. In regards to the Purpose. I'm sort of wondering where the entire concept of our own visual hacks came from. Is it just for mere representation of the clan? If so, then alright then. Since hacks, even as slight as visual alterations that aren't originally in the game are looked down upon, I guess IC the clan purpose would be to protect that ideal, and despite the World's officials being hack nazis, we continue to exemplify that ideology. Which also would connect with protecting 'other' hacked characters from getting their characters nerfed. If we're talking IC of course.

I think Xan probably meant 'do we need a purpose', in regards to the clan's out of character self.

Chase Raven - February 21, 2008 09:32 PM (GMT)
yay! jer got what i meant. i meant an IC purpose.

i think jer's description is really good. because if they rest of you are like me, i like to have a story that's there when i want/need it, and that i can throw to the side when i don't really want to use it at that moment. something that's there for you to follow, but you aren't chained down to. and i think that jer's description works for that.

Jpec07 - February 22, 2008 06:40 AM (GMT)
That kind of purpose, Kageryu, would work pretty well, especially with some of the modifications Dien has on himself (thank you very much, Twilight, for making my character a freaking Arrancar <_<). It would give him an IC reason to quest with you all, in any case. Thing is, with a mission statement like that, you can design any number of quests and stories to go along with it.

*takes a step outside to go do something human*

mrkaz - February 23, 2008 04:39 PM (GMT)
:'D yei, that works~
and we should have the honoraries WASH OUR TOES do what chase said.

Centrus - February 23, 2008 10:54 PM (GMT)
*grabs bowl of water and prepares*

And what does Chase bid?

Chase Raven - February 23, 2008 11:33 PM (GMT)
I think they should be our personal caterors (spelling???) and make us cakes and other food all day long >D

Chase Raven - March 12, 2008 07:01 PM (GMT)
I say we ditch the "no double posty" rule from now on. : DD

Uhh so yeah, we need to talk about requirements for membership cause we have to deal with the new members sooner or later. haha.

QUOTE (Chase's two cents!)

Members
1. GOTTA GO ON CLAN QUESTS WHEN WE DECIDE TO HAVE AN IMPORTANT ONE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPY TIME. (Also we all have to know each other IC. : DD)
2. Have to be active, which doesn't necessarily mean quest-wise but coming in to say hi either in the forum or through PMs or AIM or RO or something. Somehow, keep in touch. ):
3. I'm gonna say that members should be required to have a hack because. Just because they should.
4. Also, before joining I think they should have to meet like.. at least 3 or 4 current members and have a chat with them? Via PM or AIM or whatever is fine, but just say hello and strike up a conversation and whatever. To keep with the "you have to know us" rule that was a part of the FR, cuz it's a good rule.

Honoraries
1. Allowed to go on clan quests, but not REQUIRED.
2. However, they should know at least a few of the characters in the clan IC. Doesn't make sense for them to be here if they don't know anybody, I guess.
3. Should post at least occasionally in our forum, and should also be happyhappyfriendly with us outside of the forum, too.
4. I think the "you have to know us" thing applies to honoraries, too.
5. I guess honoraries don't have to be required to have a hack, cuz technically the story with honoraries IC would be that they want to help our cause of not being mean to people with visual hacks yadda yadda.

I probably forgot some things.


Also, as a suggestion, I think we should have a thread dedicated to just casual IC stuff. : D I believe we had "The Ship" as a thread for this once, but since there's no ship anymore ( D"": ) we can maybe make "The Rooftop" as one? XD I onno. Just a place for fun.

Kageryu - March 13, 2008 01:36 AM (GMT)
Yes. The Rooftops. It'd be like the designated AM Delta Quick chat, haha. It would be fun~. I also plan to have the duel(s) taking place on the rooftops, so recognizing it's existence so the members/recruits/nosypeoplewhojustwanttoknowwhattherooftopsareallabout know about our new home and what it looks like IC would be. Helpful. For lack of a better description.

I'm kind of tired so I can't really give substantial ideas of my own. For the most part though, I think your member requirements are pretty on the spot. Loyalty and willing to help should also be a requirement though. Thinking back toward when the FR crumbled, to me, it seemed issues came about because of that lack of loyalty(members wanting to drop and form their own clan, yadda yadda). That's all I really got D:'

Chase Raven - March 13, 2008 01:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
(9:44:43 PM) HalfmoonNinja: Hey, I just had a thought *gasp*
(9:44:55 PM) Ali is in a Cult: ??
(9:45:20 PM) HalfmoonNinja: We could possibly have any recruiting members as honoraries, so we could post our ideas and such in the AM thread, to provide insight without having to toss it past you or the others.
(9:46:13 PM) Ali is in a Cult: I had that thought before, but what if you don't get in?
(9:46:21 PM) Ali is in a Cult: Do we snatch the honorary membership away from you?
(9:46:25 PM) Ali is in a Cult: That seems mean to me.
(9:46:51 PM) HalfmoonNinja: Why not call it the "Recruitment Membership" that's temporary, only until the results of the Recruitment comes in.
(9:47:11 PM) HalfmoonNinja: Make it clear at the beginning, so that no one feels like you're being mean when they don't make it.
(9:47:46 PM) Ali is in a Cult: I dunno. :/
(9:47:53 PM) Ali is in a Cult: Would be a pain for the admins, I also think.
(9:48:06 PM) Ali is in a Cult: Plus, this makes you guys have to talk to us. :"D Cause that's a requirement.
(9:48:06 PM) HalfmoonNinja: Point. I forgot about that.


I think no, but what do you guys think? x:

Xantos - March 13, 2008 03:48 AM (GMT)
Kinda with chase on that :O It would seem kinda mean :( Besides, we don't really bite. That hard. I dunno, I've seen some bruises occasionally, and you're gonna hear a lot of things from people, but as we all know, people tend to have a major flaw. They're completely raving. Besides who would you trust, them or me? ...Yeah I wouldn't trust me either. It's probably for the best. :(

Kageryu - March 16, 2008 05:46 AM (GMT)
mmm. Chase already knows where I stand on this since I spoke to her about it.

A few minutes ago though Chase and I were talking about means of identification for the AM. In the IC sense. The hacks of 'course pose as the most obvious way of differentiating between an AM member and a regular player, but like the FR's goggles, we're trying to think of a new little item that symbolizes our little entourage. I think I might've mentioned this once or a couple of times before. Kaz and I talked earlier about wristbands/armbands being that means of identification. I mentioned it to Chase as well and she thinks it sounds alright too.

What does everyone else think? Of 'course former FRs can keep their goggles(since I plan on keeping mine), but it's just a way of separating the old from the new.

Centrus - March 16, 2008 05:51 AM (GMT)
Dunno if I count in this, as an honorary, but I like the idea of a wristband or a necklace. I have loved the idea of clan items since I first joined, but we SBs have nothing. *cries* So yes!
[x]Clan Item
[x]Wristband/necklace
[ ]Recruits posting in the section
[ ]Sword in the nether regions

Chase Raven - March 16, 2008 05:49 PM (GMT)
Dx

*prods Cent*

Whenya gonna post??

OH YEAH AND I SUPPORT WRISTBANDS!

Kageryu - May 4, 2008 08:20 PM (GMT)
Anymore opinions on wrist bands x': ? If not than I guess it's pretty much set in stone that they're item of representation for the Anima Mundi, haha. IC that is. Regardless, I'm posting to ask opinions about the Golden Book. Chase and I finished the What we Are Now section for the most part...but we want opinions from you guys. Anything else you think should be stuck in that section? (and I didn't think she'd put it up so quickly so there are some typos in there, haha). What should be put in the history tab is a given. I've just been racking my brain about 'The Future' and coming up with blanks.

In general though; what should be slapped in the book? And. I haven't checked this thread in awhile.

Sword in the Nether regions? Hahaha.

Centrus - May 4, 2008 10:00 PM (GMT)
What should be in the future?

The future is entirely unknown, my dear friend. What I will say though is this.

WE ARE HERE TO STAY.


I'll get back to you on the rest, so long as no sword goes anywhere ear my Netherlands.




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