Title: How desperate is Disney
Malach - September 24, 2004 07:08 PM (GMT)
They have jumped on the Anime bandwagon:
WITCH
Crystal Velvet - September 24, 2004 07:14 PM (GMT)
Well, they do own the distribution to Miyazaki's films here in the US already. With Disney losing Pixar soon, I suppose it's reasonable to expect this...
Tri Clown Ball - September 24, 2004 07:17 PM (GMT)
well that seems like one of the weirdest animes i've ever seen... i don't think disney can make anime cuz this one looks terrible
xaviersxmen - September 24, 2004 08:31 PM (GMT)
Disney has always been greedy. Not counding the pixar movies Disney always charged 20 bucks or more for their movies. Oh and as for the theme park, I dont think charging 50 or more bucks to get kids in is right.
Crystal Velvet - September 24, 2004 09:34 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tri Clown Ball @ Sep 24 2004, 03:17 PM) |
| well that seems like one of the weirdest animes i've ever seen... i don't think disney can make anime cuz this one looks terrible |
I totally agree!
Actually it looks a lot like that Winx thing - if they were going to be unoriginal why would they copy something like that? Why not copy an real anime, one that's more graphically appealing?
TOYI1SOCCER - September 24, 2004 09:53 PM (GMT)
my personal opinion is that no matter how close Disney get to anime, it can't be anime
Anime has to be born in Japan to be called anime. :P
Enigma Zero - September 25, 2004 05:06 AM (GMT)
And once again it falls to Enigma to play Devil's Advocate. ;)
Disney can make anime for one reason. They half invented anime.
One of the 1st anime created was Astroboy. It was written by Yoshiyuki Tomino, who later went on to write all of the Gundam Series, and Osamu Tezuka, who is considered by most to be "The Godfather of Anime". Both admit that anime was created because of Disney. Bambi was released and had such an amazing impact on the world that the two wanted to make something of that scale and power while incorperating a strong Japanese influence into it as well. Their 1st work came in 1963 with Astroboy and followed in 1965 with Kimba The White Lion.
Astroboy was a direct attempt to copy much of what was seen in Bambi. This also answers one of Anime's most commonly asked questions partially. "Why do anime characters have such large eyes?" Part of this answer is that large eyes are considered an attractive feature in Japanese culture. The other part is that Tezuka wanted to capture the effect that Disney had in Bambi because as he put it,"The characters could speak and show a large amount of emotion without having to say a word in many cases." So they tried to do this with people in Astroboy.
Kimba The White Lion was a much more deliberate attempt to copy the Disney style because it used actual animals to tell it's story.
Actually, most of what we consider both Animation and Anime comes from the battle against Disney and a small group of Japanese Animators. They would constantly look at the other's works and then steal portsions of it to improve on in their next project. Disney and Japan would go almost tirelessly back anf fourth doing this and the result is the fact that animation, as a whole, is as good as it is today.
So, to answer the question of whether or not Disney can do Anime....well, they half created it so I believe there is a chance they would do it if they put their minds to it. The major thing that would prevent this is the cultural differences between the US and Japan. Disney, as of the last 20 years or so, has been notorious for backing down from any form of controversy that their works have encountered. So much as to change things in their movies(anyone ever hear the original opening song to Aladin? I rest my case). Japan, on the other hand, has a far wider range of what is acceptable in their movies when it comes to animation. If Disney can get past this major hurdle then I see no reason as to why they could not make the project work. Course Disney has fallen greately since Walt died and Michael Eisner came to power....course he's not in power now is he? ;)
So, it CAN happen. The potential is definately there, but the question is WILL it happen? It's something to think about definately. Personally, I have not been a huge fan of Disney since shortly after Aladin...so I am a tad skeptical, but I'll keep my fingers crossed anyways. :angel:
Oplasma45 - September 25, 2004 05:25 AM (GMT)
My god, is that true? After all these years Disney had something to do with the creation of anime?!?!
All I can think of is this horrible image in my head!!!!
Enigma Zero - September 25, 2004 06:41 AM (GMT)
:lol: LoL :lol:
Yup, it's true. ;)
Crystal Velvet - September 25, 2004 10:09 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Enigma Zero @ Sep 25 2004, 01:06 AM) |
And once again it falls to Enigma to play Devil's Advocate. ;)
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... and you do it so well ;)
You're right on so many levels, and I think Disney seriously needs to read your above post.
Returning to the present day, and Disney's latest endeavor (link above), we can see that they have chosen not to fulfill their potential. Even though Disney may be responsible for inspiring the creation of anime back in the day, it doesn't mean that Disney today is comparable to the current anime of Japan. And you mentioned a lot of the reasons why.
Regarding Disney's decision to back off of controversial topics, it totally makes sense - if you're a business that cares 100% about the bottom dollar. They've positioned themselves as the friendly network that will always provide "safe" entertainment. Somehow their definition of "safe" encompasses "slow, boring, and brain-rotting". It's so frustrating, because it doesn't have to be that way. Controversial doesn't have to equal inappropriate for younger viewers.
Disney hasn't had a branded non-pixar animated film enter theaters since... *thinking* ... Treasure Planet? That was some time ago. All of their current releases are direct-to-video short animated films or re-releases of films that are designed to rack in DVD/video sales. The Disney Channel has become a 24 hour commercial for their DVD/Video and CD sales (Does anyone remember when it was commercial free? I used to love Avonlea... anyway...). From the looks of things, they probably figure that they won't try something drastic until their animation dept. really starts to tank - until then they're sticking with what brings in the annual revenue.
Hercule Nappa - September 25, 2004 01:36 PM (GMT)
Controversy in cartoons is funny because in this day and age by the time we reach 13 or 14 we have herd, seen, or expirience thing that are way worse than what any cartoon could ever show.
Voltei - September 30, 2004 04:30 AM (GMT)
Hold it hold it.
I recognize this series.
I think that this one first aired in Europe and only now is it being brought to the US.
I also vaguely remember seeing a novelization of some episodes of this series at my library. :lol:
Pilaf - September 30, 2004 05:11 AM (GMT)
Interesting...
though the style is, I must say, NOT animé. As with other shows that attempt to copy the style but end up being more americanized, it thinks it's something i's not (like voltei's drawings).
Also, crystal. Disney was never commercial free. they had a few minutes of ads (mostly for what was coming up later in the day) between shows and movies.
But that was it.
Voltei - September 30, 2004 05:43 AM (GMT)
You just had to sneak in a random jab at my drawing style, didn't ya? :P
After going through some more resources, the series WITCH originally aired in Italy, but expanded since it seemed popular there.
So I'm guessing Disney is trying their luck here?
Malach - October 1, 2004 02:02 PM (GMT)
Disney's has hand no Pixar films recently, Home on the Range (bad), Tigger's Big Movie (Worse), and Brother Bear (eh). They are releasing another Pooh Movie (The Heffallump Movie) and Pixar's last (The Incredibles)
Gone are the days of the recent spat of good Disneay anitmated films, especially since Pixar left.
Think about this:
The Little Mermaid
Beauty and the Beast
Alladin
The Lion King
Toy Story.
Were all released within 8 years of each other, but the people who did those works are dead, or gone on to other things.
TOYI1SOCCER - October 1, 2004 02:38 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| Gone are the days of the recent spat of good Disneay anitmated films, especially since Pixar left |
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I think pixar was abandoned by Disney malach..
Malach - October 1, 2004 02:42 PM (GMT)
Pixar left Disney 3 months ago after their distribution contract ended with them, why? Pixar films were making HUGE money (Nemo: the most porfitable animated film of all time), and Disney was getting a 70 - 75% cut.
Eisner did not want to renegotiate the contract years ago, so waited it out an refused to sign the new one.
TOYI1SOCCER - October 1, 2004 02:54 PM (GMT)
Crystal Velvet - October 2, 2004 08:28 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Malach @ Oct 1 2004, 10:42 AM) |
Pixar left Disney 3 months ago after their distribution contract ended with them, why? Pixar films were making HUGE money (Nemo: the most porfitable animated film of all time), and Disney was getting a 70 - 75% cut.
Eisner did not want to renegotiate the contract years ago, so waited it out an refused to sign the new one. |
But I thought that Pixar is still contracted to make a couple more films for Disney before their relationship is completely done...