Yo im looking for a good starting language i was gonna learn java but i learned that windows doesn't support java anymore. Do you know of any good languages to start with thanx.

Bob

download Java Sun patch and you can use Java anytime you want :)
so youcan start with that

Ya but is it worth it

How about PHP or do you think that would be to difficult to start with

that is a web language

what do you men is it worth it?
would be the same like asking if it would be worth installing a compiler.
If you want to learn Java (and for GUI apps it´s not bad, dreamweaver is made in it) then you should get it.

visual basic is really good for strting

I mean is it worth learning java not geting the pach



and

were could i learn visual basics and what is it exacly


Thanx Bob

As a programmer you should not bother about wether or not it is worth instaling a patch. It is up to us to make sure that the users dont have to install it (or at least make it as easy as possible for them to install it)

and besides, Jaav 1.1 is still supported by microsoft.
Higher requires the patch
and VB is quite erronous (it somhow managed to confuse a getter for a setter) and uses 20mb of memory for just a simple app, whereas C++ would use a lot less.
For decent OO programming, start with Java (yes, JBuilder also has those nice easy drag & drop components like in VB) then go for C++

I know java... i make it all simple with the simple stuff so 99.999999999% of the time they dont need to dl something.

Microsoft Visual Basic is a program. I suggest you just start with C++.

Microsoft Visual Basic is kind of like a cross between C++ and Ruby these days, but I suggest you just learn C++ though...

I'd say css is a useful little language and easy to learn.

Im a begginer totally new shoul i s tart with C++ or Java

Bob

Ps i now html if you calll that a language so i might not be a total beginer

well i learned c++ first and its working out ok, im taking visual basic now in school and its really easy

I learned first ansi-c & cobol, then VB & Java (basic) & ASP, then C++ (basic) & PHP, had to postpone api due to interruption by forced education of VB .NET & Java AWT / Swing
C was for me a very good start.

But you need to buy a program for C++ correct

gcc, g++ & kdevelop i use most
GNU/GPL-licensed they are :)
or otherwise for in windows you can use the free dev-c++ from bloodsched.
But yes, Borland C++Builder 6 or Visual Studio must be bought

Is Dev-C++ from bloodshed any good iv tryed it andit didn't work very well is sthere a site about it i got it off a cd-r

DevC++ uses the somewhat-crappy MingW compiler, but it's OK for beginners. After you're a little more used to C++ in general you should have no problems using the free Borland Command Line Compiler, which does a much better job than DevC++. If you use the free Borland compiler you can make it easier by using the tools written by Dr Voodoo or Dragon.

And where could i get this Borland Command Line Compiler

DR. Voodoo has it on his site :)

So you guys are leading me away from java so your sugesting i learn c++ goood thats what i wanted to learn but other people keep telling me its not a good starting language, <_< java is easier right

Java is basically C++ with a few extras. It isn't the best app programming languange. It is very difficult and expensive to actually compile it. Java works better for servers and network stuff.

Basic is an extremley easy language, for example

;Closes program after pressing ESC
Print "Why did you open this progrram?"
Repeat
Print "Press Esc to exit."
Delay 1000 ;wait for 1 second
Until KeyHit(1)
Print "Program is ending"

All this does is it keeps repaeatin until somebody presses esc(1)

Sounds kinda boring though doesn't it?

in respounds to

So what your saying is Java is easier and cheaper than C++ than why would you use C++ and what are the "Extras"

Java has garbage collection, and you don't have to worry about pointers. You cannot compile the code, though. Well, technically you can, but the tools are very expensive.

What do you mean by compile and expensive sorry im tottaly new to this is C++ that much harder than Java and what exacly is PHP

actually, javac.exe is free, it compiles the .java source to .class files
however, this is of course not assembly (or anything that has good speed) and thus needs to rely on the java VM and JIT-compiler (Just-In-Time)

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................ right what do you mean by "compile and "at any real speed??? :( Are there any websites yo know of that could halp me out

java.sun.com

Where can i find the pach for java on java.sun.com i looked for it but i couldnt find it

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html

thanx