Hey this is my first post. I was wondering.. do you guys think the Borland c++ Builder 6.0 is underated? I never see it mentioned on forums or anything. I downloaded the free 60 day trial and i have to say its awesome for making windows applications! It's exactly like the Delphi environment but for c++ and even with a full form with a whole heap of different controls on it, it still produces small file sizes of 25kb. So im wondering why no one talks about it or why theres not much interesting google results for it! Is something wrong with it that i havnt found out yet? I have visualc 6.0 and will use Borland c++ Builder over it any day!

I think Borland c++ is OVERrated
in other words it sux

and beeing just like Delphi is one of the bigest problems with it

For one thing i'm not a big fan of windows , and i like using standart c++
and not some 3rd party interpretation of it .
And i do need to do something for windows i use Win32api

and don't even get me started on borlands c++ standart support :angry:

further more VB isn't even an argument here cause Most of the people i know hate it
and some don't even consider it a full programming language

Isn't that a bit harsh? I still like Borland's (now rather dated) free tools, and one thing I find quite often is that code that compiles under VC++ will also work under Borland (with minimal tweaks).

The tools are also compact (<10MB download) and Borland's free *.hlp files are great.

I have to say, though, that I've never looked into Borland's support for Windows controls (OWL etc.) – the API is fine for what I'm trying to do.

because you don't use most of the advanced features of the language
btw Dev-C++ with MingW is also a small download and it works great ^_^

Hmmm so far your arguments against it havnt convinced me...at all. Anyway they are makeing the same thing for Linux seeing as you're not a big fan of windows and you can already make source code with controls in the windows version that will be able to compile in the linux version. The help isnt as good as msdn but i still like it.

I just couldnt have said it better my friend :D

just gimme kdevelop or something like that with a gcc and i thrive with happiness :D

VC6.0 isn't worth being compared to anything, if you want to compare then use VC7 or VC.NET

What's "stand art"? Some new derivation of pop art? (BTW : standard)

Ehm you like ISO standard C++ and use the Win32 API? I find that somewhat contradicting.

BC5.5 does have some bugs but I've heard that the compiler they sell is newer and has those bugs corrected. (myork once said something into that direction I think) Then the standard doesn't have any GUI support so you can't say if a GUI is standard compilant.

BC certainly isn't worse than MFC or the WinAPI.

Why are you now speaking about VB?

PS: Sorry about the stand art but it's a word so commonly used that one should know how to write it, especialy if one likes it.

Especially. ^_^

Oh so now it's typo correction war :angry:
So i misspelled stamndard , BIG F****** DEAL! :angry:
People understand what i meant , english isn't my first language for crying out loud
have you ever tried speaking lithuanian !!!!

Uh-Oh , i said, IF i need to do something for win ! then i use win32api
I mostly only use ISO c++ now!!!!

SORRY Mr Excelece I missread!!!!
I'm only human not liek you royual hiness

Correction : I woudl use MingW over VC x.x anyday

I realy realy doubd BC X.X whatever the version supports the standars as good as
GCC does after all it came trough atleast 20years of evolution from it's first
version on unix

I'm sorry C-Man. I just found it ironic. No hard feelings. :)

No not at all , it's just that hanging on every word not to mention every letter i type
incorrectly is so god damn enoying! that realy gets me pissed off

lol, voodoo, taht was really uncalled for...... we all knew what he meant, and it is something i would screw up aswell, and im australian, english IS my first language, now stop contradicting people..... i dont wanna make enemies or anything.... your all cool, but it wasnt fair.....

Someone get Dr Voodoo a glass of water and C-Man some wine quick! :P

OK you made a spelling error its not the end of the world, lets all try to get along :D

Hmmm, i always thought visualc was pretty good. At least thats what i have heard.

Hmmm, ill take your word for it.

VC 6.0 is prety outdated
VC 7.x is much better but too bloated ( 1.2GB for a C++ compiler/ide :wacko: wheres
MingW and Dev-C++ is only 12MB )

C-Man, I've been thinking about moving to MingW or Dev-C++ for a while. My worry is that I might have to re-write a lot of stuff that compiles without warnings using Borland and (as far as I can tell) Visual C++. Does Dev-C++ come with support for OLE automation? gaah and ih8 tried to compile some of my automation classes but didn't get anywhere (Visual C++ worked fine for ih8). I was also thinking about regular expressions. Do MingW and Dev-C++ ship with up-to-date Perl-compatible regular expressions (e.g. PCRE 5.0)?

Borland's free tools don't support regular expressions for Unicode matches (they use an older version of PCRE) and I'm wondering whether I should move to Java, where that kind of thing isn't an issue.

I'd be grateful if you'd let me know what you think.

C-Man you can't compare MinGW+Dev-C++ with the whole Visual C++ installation. The first is only a simplisitc IDE with a few commandline compiler tools. If you want to compare MinGW with VC then you have to compare it to the commandline tools which MS lets you freely download.

He can compare it with anything he wants to. And personally I think he's right. I mean, why would you want to waste ~1GB of space with something not up to par with standards, bloated, not free, and uni-platform, when you can go with something like MinGW+Dev-C++ which is the exact opposite of all that?

VC++ is full of useless stuff that i don't use. Only useful ting is the dialog editor

Because that's the thing the software industary that develop for windows uses ? Of course one can choose to compare anything to anything else one want but the point dr voodoo was making was that u can't compare Dev-C++/MinGW like for like with VC++ because it's not like for like features wise. Whether you use those features or not is a different question.

And one need to be fair and realise that Visual C++ 7.1 (i.e. .NET 2003 version) and later (8 beta) is much more close to the standard than a lot of people gives it credit for.

Exactly VC6.0 was really bad when it comes to standard conformance (afaik it was never supposed to be) but the newer versions do no longer lack of this problem. VC7.1 supports about every standard C++ feature which is actually being used. This shows that if a compiler vendor wants to make his product compilant then it can be done and that statments such as

are plain and simply fanatic.

I'm not a friend of MS or Borland but simply saying that everything they do is bad is just dividing the world into black and white.

You can of course say that a motor bike is more leight weight, less fuel consuming, easier to use and therefore better then a truck, better for some situations that is. In general you can not compare them because they are simply used in different situations.

we are not comparing the compilers here, we are comparing the IDE's, personally i haven never used VC++/BC++ so i like devc++

actually they were comparing the IDE and compiler ;)