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Chocolat64 - August 22, 2007 03:23 AM (GMT)
How do you feel about abortion? I, myself, am pro-choice. What about you?

harry-potter - August 22, 2007 03:25 AM (GMT)
I don't think its a good idea to kill a baby, even before it is born. I guess that explains everything.

Sora Saridian - August 22, 2007 03:36 AM (GMT)
I Disagree with Abortion cause in a way you are a Murderer cause you killed a life even though it wasnt born yet you still killed it a believe its wrong if some one doesnt want a baby have it and give it up for adoption but Abortion just makes me sick when i think of it

harry-potter - August 22, 2007 03:37 AM (GMT)
Exactle. Why kill it, why can't you just give it away or something. People think its such a pain. <_<

nor_forty_four - August 22, 2007 03:47 AM (GMT)
I am also pro-choice. Yes, no one wants to kill anything, but it isn't your choice, it's the person who's going to have to endure it for nine months. Who are you to tell a person how to use their body?
And also, before it was legal, people have to get black market abortions, and they would die. It's gonna happen, so why not have it be safe?

harry-potter - August 22, 2007 03:50 AM (GMT)
I mean...I am not telling the person, about their body or anything...just that the weight is just for 9 months. Once its done, just leave it a orphanage or something. Killing it means, one more life gone.

nor_forty_four - August 22, 2007 03:54 AM (GMT)
Well, by voting to make abortion illegal, you are saying that they can't get one. That sounds like telling someone how to live their life to me.


Not attacking anyone personally, by the way, just politically.
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harry-potter - August 22, 2007 04:00 AM (GMT)
Guess so...but don't you think, they would feel guilty after they had done it?

nor_forty_four - August 22, 2007 04:05 AM (GMT)
Of course they would. But then they will know that it was their choice, and they will have no one to blame but themselves instead of the government.

harry-potter - August 22, 2007 04:06 AM (GMT)
And that will lead to suicide again?

nor_forty_four - August 22, 2007 04:13 AM (GMT)
What led to suicide before?

harry-potter - August 22, 2007 04:14 AM (GMT)
Depression and pain, as Sora says....

LadyStar - August 22, 2007 04:45 AM (GMT)
I'm pro-choice. Women have the right to do what they want with their bodies. No one knows what's best fur us than oneself.

Life it's not easy and even considering the option of giving the baby for adoption, the 9 months + hospital charges affect the person economically, physically and emotionally. And even if the person goes to all that, who will know if that baby will have a good life?

nor_forty_four - August 22, 2007 04:46 AM (GMT)
Exactly. That is what I think as well, every word.

harry-potter - August 22, 2007 04:47 AM (GMT)
Good life? But, come on..its not like nobody cares or anything. There are so many people that will help.

LadyStar - August 22, 2007 04:51 AM (GMT)
If there are so many that would help, why are there so many kids being abused and dying? And why is the adoption proses so difficult?

harry-potter - August 22, 2007 04:53 AM (GMT)
Well...you have ot a point. But, I don't know the answer....

LadyStar - August 22, 2007 05:15 AM (GMT)
Having an abortion must be one of the hardest thing a woman would do and it can be one of the best/worst decisions anyone would make. And besides thinking of the woman's life/future, she must be thinking what would happen to the child if it's born.

Every parent wants the best for their children and when they can't give it to them they become frustrated and this is one of the things that can lead to child abuse.

zamber - August 22, 2007 02:39 PM (GMT)
Totaly agree with you there. Someone against abortion could ahve the child and then not be able to look after it properly or be bringing it up in a horrible enviroment. In cases it is better for the child to be killed before its born.

Witch_of_the_Silver _Moon - August 22, 2007 03:12 PM (GMT)
I'm pro choice. Just because you might not be able to see a good reason for someone to have an abortion dosn't mean there isn't one. Plus, what if there were major complications and the baby, possibly even the mother would die anyways if there wasn't an abortion? Also, sometimes women who get pregnant durring violent acts, might a see fit for an abortion. Yes, there are other options, like adoption, but who are you to dictate the choice of another?

KerryWeasley - August 22, 2007 03:17 PM (GMT)
Im Pro- choice but to an extent. i believe that if a woman gets pregnant, and she is in an abusive relationship, is too young, has a horrible financial situation, or will neglect the child or if a woman is raped, then i believe abortion is ok.

but if a woman is in her late twenties has a husband, or a very steady boyfriend, is in a good finical situation and would be perfectly capable to take care of the child i feel like it is wrong.

but i know th government cant put up a conditional law like that, and i know there will always be special cases so i am pro-choice.

Sirius_Black - August 22, 2007 09:57 PM (GMT)
Well, I don't think there aren't many people who can honestly say they are not Pro-choice :P Everyone deserves the power to make choices in their life.

But as for abortion specificly, what makes its such a potent debate is that not everyone agrees with when the child becomes a living person.

At birth? Or at conception? :D Pretty interesting history on why people believe one or the other, I've studied.

I personally believe the infant becomes a living, soul-filled child at conception. So I believe it to be equal to killing an innocent. But nevertheless, its still a life changing decision the person should be allowed to make on their own.

nor_forty_four - August 23, 2007 02:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Witch_of_the_Silver _Moon @ Aug 22 2007, 12:12 PM)
Plus, what if there were major complications and the baby, possibly even the mother would die anyways if there wasn't an abortion?

Yes! There are some places where it is illegal, even if the mother is going to die! I mean, they are practically killing her in order to save a baby, who is most likely going to have a damaged life, or no life at all. If you have a chance to save one life, or none at all, which would you choose?

harry-potter - August 23, 2007 03:00 AM (GMT)
Well....I would pick, save ones life.

LadyStar - August 23, 2007 04:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sirius_Black @ Aug 22 2007, 05:57 PM)
But as for abortion specificly, what makes its such a potent debate is that not everyone agrees with when the child becomes a living person.

At birth? Or at conception? :D Pretty interesting history on why people believe one or the other, I've studied.

This is the main point of the situation. I'm personally in the middle. The first you learn in biology class is that 'the cell is the structural and functional unit of all known living organisms.'. And with that you must think that at the moment of the conception it's 'alive'. But I can something you don't even feel inside you be alive? Something that it doesn't even has a form.


nor_forty_four - August 23, 2007 05:32 AM (GMT)
Yes, but you could also think that you kill millions of living cells a day using soap, cleansers and even tissues now!

LadyStar - August 23, 2007 06:35 AM (GMT)
LMAO! That's so true! Why give priority to some cells?

Sora Saridian - August 23, 2007 09:31 AM (GMT)
even if the baby isnt born yet its inside you, it is alive it grows it eats like every thing else that is why the female its so much during pregnancy it is for the baby to eat and grow it is alive and if you get a Abortion you are killing some one.

LadyStar - August 23, 2007 05:52 PM (GMT)
I don't think it's alive until it's born. Still, all the cells in our bodies 'eat', what's so different about this one?

nor_forty_four - August 23, 2007 05:55 PM (GMT)
Yes.

I do have to say that I would be against abortion when the baby starts resembling a human-being though, when it could survive if it was born prematurely because then I think it would be killing a person, but anytime before that, I think that a woman has a right to choose.

LadyStar - August 23, 2007 06:03 PM (GMT)
An abortion can only be made between the first 12 weeks where it barely you can notice a head or something.

nor_forty_four - August 23, 2007 06:07 PM (GMT)
Yeah, I know, I was just saying, that is the only time that I would be against it.
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LadyStar - August 23, 2007 06:52 PM (GMT)
I know what you mean.

Personally, I'm not sure if I would be able to do it. And if I get pregnant I know I have the support/help from many people so I wouldn't considered it. But it's always a possibility.

nor_forty_four - August 23, 2007 06:56 PM (GMT)
Exactly. I don't know if I could either. I think it would depend on my life situation at the time.
And I think it has to ba a possibility, at least for other women who might not be as secure.

Chocolat64 - August 26, 2007 03:17 PM (GMT)
What about the women that were raped? Forced to bear child when they did not give consent? Should they go through the 9 months, knowing that the baby that was in them was not meant to be? That the baby was basically a mistake? An accident?

What about the women that go through the trouble of actually purchasing condoms/birth control/etc to PREVENT a baby, then it happened? How would you explain that to a child? "Oh, I did everything I could to make sure you didn't happen, but you know-" That would just make a child feel worse.

Have you ever been to foster care? I have, and I assure you- that is not somewhere you would want a child growing up.

The government has no right telling women how and what they should do with their life. If a mother is not CAPABLE of bearing child [whether it be from uterus problems or just weight problems], why make the mother suffer or even die from it?

We have the right to choose. It's our bodies, we do what we want with them. If you know that you are not capable of caring for a child in the ways that they need to be cared for [time-wise and financial-wise], then why bring them into a world of poverty? Why make them live in an environment obviously not suitable for a baby?

Abortion = Good.

Terri - August 28, 2007 01:54 AM (GMT)
Abortion=wrong
Why lets put it this way do you agree with killing i don't know your friend your enemy your child then have and abortion. but abortion is the same as murder and should be treated as such. an unborn child is still a child no matter what anyone tells you.
And if you are raped I am sure you can find happiness in it give it to a family that you know will care for it there are hundreds of people who can not have children of their own so they ask if you are going to abort your baby then give it to them.
You never ever ever tell your child that he was a mistake or an accident you just can not do that if the mother didn't want a child she should not have been having gender.
If a Mother is not capable of bearing a child then she should not be having gender!
And it depends on what you mean by poverty Welfare and Medicaid are poverty then I have been living in it my whole life and I am fairly happy everyone has their ups and downs. and you should never deny a child like because he could have a sucky life.

nor_forty_four - August 29, 2007 10:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chocolat64 @ Aug 26 2007, 11:17 AM)
What about the women that were raped? Forced to bear child when they did not give consent? Should they go through the 9 months, knowing that the baby that was in them was not meant to be? That the baby was basically a mistake? An accident?

What about the women that go through the trouble of actually purchasing condoms/birth control/etc to PREVENT a baby, then it happened? How would you explain that to a child? "Oh, I did everything I could to make sure you didn't happen, but you know-" That would just make a child feel worse.

Have you ever been to foster care? I have, and I assure you- that is not somewhere you would want a child growing up.

The government has no right telling women how and what they should do with their life. If a mother is not CAPABLE of bearing child [whether it be from uterus problems or just weight problems], why make the mother suffer or even die from it?

We have the right to choose. It's our bodies, we do what we want with them. If you know that you are not capable of caring for a child in the ways that they need to be cared for [time-wise and financial-wise], then why bring them into a world of poverty? Why make them live in an environment obviously not suitable for a baby?

Abortion = Good.

I agree completely.
Although I wouldn't nescesarily say that abortion is good but I definately agree that it should be legal.

Chocolat64 - August 31, 2007 03:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terri @ Aug 27 2007, 08:54 PM)
Abortion=wrong
Why lets put it this way do you agree with killing i don't know your friend your enemy your child then have and abortion. but abortion is the same as murder and should be treated as such. an unborn child is still a child no matter what anyone tells you.
And if you are raped I am sure you can find happiness in it give it to a family that you know will care for it there are hundreds of people who can not have children of their own so they ask if you are going to abort your baby then give it to them.
You never ever ever tell your child that he was a mistake or an accident you just can not do that if the mother didn't want a child she should not have been having gender.
If a Mother is not capable of bearing a child then she should not be having gender!
And it depends on what you mean by poverty Welfare and Medicaid are poverty then I have been living in it my whole life and I am fairly happy everyone has their ups and downs. and you should never deny a child like because he could have a sucky life.

Now I'm going to have to put the hurt on you. I don't wanna do it, but I'm pulling out the big guns:

*clears throat*

What about the innocent killings of human vegetables? Mentally retarded people who are still alive, and even worse- fully developed and have LED full lives killed for no reason. People who have been in accidents or even have been affected by diseases. Many things can happen throughout the duration of a long-term coma- even waking up.

It's always an option. Is killing an innocent person against their will not the same thing as Abortion?

^_^ owned.

Terri - August 31, 2007 06:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chocolat64 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:38 PM)
QUOTE (Terri @ Aug 27 2007, 08:54 PM)
Abortion=wrong
Why lets put it this way do you agree with killing i don't know your friend your enemy your child then have and abortion. but abortion is the same as murder and should be treated as such. an unborn child is still a child no matter what anyone tells you.
And if you are raped I am sure you can find happiness in it give it to a family that you know will care for it there are hundreds of people who can not have children of their own so they ask if you are going to abort your baby then give it to them.
You never ever ever tell your child that he was a mistake or an accident you just can not do that if the mother didn't want a child she should not have been having gender.
If a Mother is not capable of bearing a child then she should not be having gender!
And it depends on what you mean by poverty Welfare and Medicaid are poverty then I have been living in it my whole life and I am fairly happy everyone has their ups and downs. and you should never deny a child like because he could have a sucky life.

Now I'm going to have to put the hurt on you. I don't wanna do it, but I'm pulling out the big guns:

*clears throat*

What about the innocent killings of human vegetables? Mentally retarded people who are still alive, and even worse- fully developed and have LED full lives killed for no reason. People who have been in accidents or even have been affected by diseases. Many things can happen throughout the duration of a long-term coma- even waking up.

It's always an option. Is killing an innocent person against their will not the same thing as Abortion?

^_^ owned.

Yes it is because an unborn child is an innocent person and unless you can ask them I am sure it is against their will.
The innocent killings of human vegetables as you put it is not what we are talking about. And I don't agree with that either.
how you can say owned i will never know but i do have a question for you and you don't have to answer but have you had an Abortion?
The only reason I ask is because the only people I have found that are really hard core on this are people who have had one in the past.

Sirius_Black - August 31, 2007 07:22 PM (GMT)
Playing devil's advocates I see. ^_^




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