Firstly I wish to bid all nations to this forum welcome, now let us begin the work.

There are no specific policies as yet but have considered the follwoing ideas, I would welcome the input of other nations. Hopefully we can put together a good mainifesto and challenge for the delegates position.

The first policies to be discussed are as follows.

- The expansion of our regional population in terms of active nations.
- A greater internation profile for this region in the NationStates world.
- Pressure groups to lobby for boundary changes to the regional map.
- Actionist Party as a regional security force.
- A greater regional input into delegate voting decisions, our current delegate is very lax in this area.


I welcome new ideas and input from all nations.

Overmind.

Sounds like a league of extremist nations, or a action-hero fan club.

We are definately not going to be an extremist group, maybe contaversial but not extremist. I shall vouch for the integrity of the party and swear allegiance to the region of The Balkans.

We shall serv to better the region within it's current moral values.

Overmind

I still don't understand.Explain to me the politics of this organization.

We are interested how do you plan to promote the Balkans in the NationStates world? Send diplomats to every region and tell about us? And what would that do for us?

We also want to know what do you mean by "a greater regional input into delegate voting decisions". Should all member states vote the same in all decisions? The CEO of Csabaland considers this to be giving up of our sovergnity, and would never agree to that.

The party shall be a democratic organisation, saying this though as founder I reserve the right to be the leader of the party until such time as I resign.

We shall assign party members tasks, shadow cabinet duties if you will to monitor and debate certain issues within the region. We shall monitor conflicts in the region, UN debates and voting, regional map modifications and regional security issues.

The current delegate does non of these things and it will prove his undoing. We will be a party for action, not inactivity! Good slogan that one.

If we do come to government the shadow cabinet positions shall be changed to Ministerial positions and we shall continue our duties. I have come to notice in my years playing this game that one political party is soon followd by others so we will in the long term no doubt have opposition, which will mean elections.

This organisation will therefore basically create more of a political arena in the region, bring politics and endorsements to all aspects of regional politics.

What do you think?

A greater regional input to the region simply means asking the nations of the region for thier opinions before castign a delegates vote in the UN on behalf of the region. The delegate is meant to represent us in the UN remember.

As for a greater international profile, well this sort of politics usually attracts attention from other democratic groups.

First Speaker.

It sounds like mob control.Like the member nations will press others to vote the same way and such.Like a region in a region.I don't like it.

OK, since I've seen great plans coming to existence and then becoming forgotten in a few days because of lack of interest, I have to ask: who, besides me, has shown interest in your party?

Excellencies: We in Zahumlje do not feel there is a need for such an organization in The Balkans. there has been up until recently pretty decent level of regional cooperation and cohesion. Zahumlje is already involved in regional initiatives of it's own and there are extra-regional alliances as well. This whole thing smacks of aventureism to Us. We dislike adventureism, it nearly always leads to war, and this is a region which needs no further causes of war.
Best Wishes
Katja of Zahumlje

This is merely a political party that seeks to better the political scene in this region. The current delegate is inept and for the good of the region needs to be replaced.

Interest at the moment is slim but I have only been working on it for two days.

As for the accusations that this is mob control or an un-necessary organisation, well they are just pointless. Political parties have been the driving force of democracy since it's beginings, the aims are honourable and I believe you should judge me and the party on actions not on your predictions of what may or may not occurr.

First Speaker.

"I say to this region, we need change less stagnation kills the region. Or inepet delegates sap our political will. Already many nations are dieing. This cannot be allowed to continue."

Here's a hint... and I don't mean to be mean-spirited in this ... but if you are going to criticize other nations for being inept, you should make sure you spell it correctly. Otherwise it kind of undercuts your message. I know, we all make mistakes, and accidents happen. But in that sort of message, it really pays to check your spelling.

best wishes,

PO Craven
Prime Minister

Nations of The Balkans!

There is much talk of UN debates being conducted on the forum, this is all very well and good but I say that the civic HQ is the heart and soul of the region, as it is with all regions. The forums should be tools to service this board, not vice versa. I understand that the board sometimes moves fast and therfore the forum is a good place to record debates, but those debates should happen primarily on this board.

I know I am new here but I having been watching for many months, mainly monitoring Borgidioms activity here, or lack of it. I have witnessed this region hurtling towards a state of apathy and stagnation. A state that has hit the entire NationStates world over the last few months. Old nations grow bored through the lack of new challenges and die, as is happening here, New Garneria for example. And new nations find regional histories so complex and invovled that they are unable to get to grips with it and soon become inactive. This problem compounded with problems like password protection against fear of region crashers and spammers has killed of many regions recently.

I therefore stand by my accusations concerning the current political will in this region and most definately those concerning the delegate for he is politically responsible. This region like so many others needs to change to ensure it's survival in a changing world. By all means play the role play game with your long and complex past but think of the new blood that is being stifled. I say to you that the forum is the perfect place for such history and this board for embracing new naions and bringing them into the fold.

This is the Actionist Parties agenda, not some hidden personal ploy but regional survival!

Long Live the Balkans!

First Speaker.

Look person, you are not going to take over by calling names.Why don't to tell how good you are and not how bad someone else is.If this organization has any CLEAR definition other than to attract new nations, which we don't have room for, I suggest you end it.

You don't seem to attract too much support. Perhaps it's time you take another approach ;)

On the subject of promoting the Balkans in the NationStates world, I would suggest you act on offers of allegiances from other regions. Friendship between regions can lead to better decisions being made, trade links being created and the like. I would draw your attention to the post about Prussia to begin with, as they have offered (through myself) to become staunch allies with us.

"Look person, you are not going to take over by calling names.Why don't to tell how good you are and not how bad someone else is."

Coming from you Paradiszia? This is really too much!

hehe :)

My position as founder of two other regions present many oppotunites for regional alliances should I become the delegate. But this is something that must be considered at a later date.

The remarks from nations such as, Paradiszia and Csabaland disturb ne greatky. My approach has not failed, politics is sometimes a slow game and it will take time to get the debate going. I cannot believe that you would dismiss this idea within a few days as a failiure. It is sentiment such as this that makes me worry for the future of such regions as Tha Balkans, blatant refusal even to consider new idea's.

As for concerns about our population, well the map could easily be extended I'm sure and failing any political will to do this on the part of Thracia, there are many inactive nations in the region. Would it not be beneficial to the region to allow only active participating nations places on the regional map, or those of long and trusted service to the region. I was given a place on the map within days of arriving here and none new anything of me then, you could have been lumbered with an inactive nation taking up space on the map, thus keeping a more active nation from participating in regional affairs.

Please do not dismiss my ideas, consider them and think how our region could be improved. True, I wish power but I also believe that the authority of the delegates position has to be earned and I intend to do just that in the service of this region.

First Speaker.

The possibility of enlarging or extending the map was discussed in the past.

Please read the postings at http://invisionfree.com/forums/Balkanic_Un...p?showtopic=285

As to the suggestion that we give land only to the nations that have "proved themselves", Thracia would like to state its opposition.

And this is why we oppose it:

Our goal in this region has been equality -- to the extent that it is possible to achieve it in this game, and to the extent that it is feasible to maintain it.

Now, it is true that the founder and the UN delegate have a lot more power than the other members, but we see no reason to increase the power of these two nations at the expense of the other nations. Unfortunately, power in NationStates has a win-lose or zero-sum character. We see no reason to deepen the power inequality. If "we" (the powerful) decided who is worthy of a land, who is no longer worthy of a land, what nation has proved iself to be worthy of this region, what nation needs to be more active to prove itself worthy, then we would give the powerful even more power than they have now.

To award the nations that post more by punishing those that do not?
Well... You see me as an active nation because I don't really have anything else to do right now. However, in about a month my exams will start and it may happen that I check in once a week or even rarer. Does that mean I should be removed from the map?

I think the Balkans region is just balanced out fine. It may not be the most exciting region, it may not be in 10 wars at the same time, but it makes things other than wars enjoyable, and a region like that can't be easily found in the NationStates. If I wanted wars I could join one in the International Incidents. If I wanted to invade regions I would join the Right Wing or something similar. The Balkans is a region where you play cooperation. I think you could become UN Delegate much more easily if you started mutual-cooperation programs with other nations, and they may return the favor by endorsing you. That's how Vodkaland got elected in the first place.

After reading the entire topic so far, I have two comments to make:
- is a good thing that Variable Resistance is trying to build a alternative in the regional politics and keeps it in the ring of politics. Pluralism and competition can only be benefic to our region.
- the program is still week. There has been some good points at the beginning but the founder and only member of the faction is clearly excessively concentrated on personal gains (UN delegacy, territorial awards for subjective criteria) to follow the good ideas.

Thus, I find a lot of demagogy in the Action Party position and I concur with Csaba: try a new approach!

Tolomak

I see nothing wrong with trying to get more nations invovled. We have 60'ish nations at the moment, how many of them actually participate on the board. I would say that this region has a higher participating ratio than most, but still there are many that do not.

There are many active nations out there that would relish the oppotunities of this region, to improve themselves and the region, but are denied access as inactive nations hold much map space.

To answer the fears of Csabaland, obviously nations of long standing in the region must of course be given leeway. It would only take a little effort tp post a statement to the founder/delegate informing him of an absence.

There was also the previous post where I am accussed of wanting personal gains, well all that is for offer is the delegates position and why should I not have the right to run for office, I am a politician. But I do mean to earn that office by serving the region, would anyone begrudge me the chance to do this. Otherwise what point is there to playing this game, not all of us are devoted entirely to RP.

I am glad I am finally getting some constructive input to this debate, many thanks!

First Speaker.

Are you saying that nations who don't participate don't belong?You sound like Tsar Ivan.

I say that nations that do not participate in regional affairs are less deserving of space on the regional map. And that giving space to active nations will ensure that we shall have a higher ratio of active nations.

Concerning the previous discussion on regional map expansion....

Firstly I believe that the previous debate was not properly concluded and that the decision for individual nations to create personal more detailed maps, while excellent for individual nations, does not benefit the region as a whole. The technical difficulties of achiving this goal are not difficult though I do appreciate the level of time that may have to be invested. But there is no rush.

These are not delegate issues but founder responsibilities and I would not presume to demand anything of Thracia should I become a democratically elected delegate. However as delegate I would lobby Thracia to implement regional map expansion of some kind. The region no longer being 'The Balkans' I feel is an especially weak excuss.

First Speaker.

So say if I were the ONLY one who talked on the bord and the forum, I'd have the whole map?

Excellencies: As everyone is aware, We've had Our recent disagreement with Paraizia, but in this matter We must agree with Paradizia. The facts of ho widely in Real Time and Real Life Locale, force some Nations into less activity. For example Real Life Belgrade Serbia, is the location of the Ruler of Yugoslave Republics has been cut off before by power failutes due to this fact. Some who are Rulers here, in Real Life live in other Balkans nations and must access by computers in cybercafes. Therefore some nations are less active for that reason. If Variable Resistance doen't like things as they are here, they are free to leave for another region or found their own.
We smell a ploy to have regiion crashers all over us. We don't like it. We have yet to see constructive engagement on the part of Variable Resistance. We know We are not alone in seeing it that way.
Best Wishes
Katja of Zahumlje
Queen-Komissar

I do think that every nation in The Balkans deserves a land -- big or small. There is only one exception to that, and that is the ambassador-nations.

I am open to the expansion of the map, but this is not an urgent issue at this time.

Thank you Zahumlje for your support, and remember : you only had disagreements with Dr.Ulrich and his government.

We only had one important disagreement with Dr. Ulrich, and no feelings of animosity.
We wish well to the new ruler of Paradizia.
As far as Variable Resistance goes, there's two regions that Variable Resistance founded. That I did not notice on reading the prior message. Two regions means that there are two places to make rules as Variable Resistance sees fit. It strikes Us as a wee bit greedy to come on so strong here in that case, or to tell Thracia how to do the map or who to invite, or who is 'worthy' to be in The Balkans' We are curious to know just what is Variable Resistance's prior interest in and connection to the R.L. Balkans. Most here either have Balkans ancestry or have worked in the Balkans, or visited there, or at least a strong interest in Balkans history and culture. It was Our understanding that that is a qualification for invitation to the region.

Statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Montfortslavia

We have been following this debate for some time now, and we consider that it is apt time to provide with our posture.
We are in kindred spirits with this proposal, however the methodology sugested does not confer with the principles and interests of the Montfortslavian Republic.

Moreover, fundamenting a judgement as "nations that do not participate do not belong" or "nations that do not participate do not deserve territory", raise strong resistance on behalf of the Government and the Honorable Prime Minister himself.

Perhaps nations of newer creation have not been acquainted with us, but for nations of age as our life-long friends of Pepestonia, Annoyastan and of course our neighbor Thracia, they have bear witness of all that the Montfortslavian Government has done for the region.

Deeds such as the Balkan Peninsula Peace Agreements, the Unified Balkan Alliance now Confederacy of Unified Balkan Nations, The Balkan International Court of Justice, the Regional Website, the Regional Forum and many other actions are the works of our Government.

However, due to matters of national concern, our participation has remain constant but silent in the past months. To many nations we may seem as another nation occuping a spot in the map, but our works have granted us that priviledge of silence when needed. This in turn, is aimed at demonstrating that not all "silent" nations are "lazy" nations.

And yet, we see much debate on nations wether to form this political alliance and we forget on the bases of Balkan culture. We URGE and STRONGLY REQUEST all nations that speak of peace and progress for the region, first of all to sign and ratify the Balkanic Peninsula Peace Agreements.

First of all, show the good will of your governments on this BASIC document, and then we can evolve into more deep matters. I believe that the Thracian government will concurr with us.

Statement on behalf of the Honorable Prime Minister in direct consultation with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Montfortslavia

Yes, of course, we concur with the Montfortslavian government.

It is the wish of the Thracian government that all nations that are members of this forum sign the Balkan Peninsula Peace Agreements.

Montfortslavia's contributions to this region are crucial. Our region would not have been as great as it is without Montfortslavia's work.

And where is this Peace Agreement so we can read it?

You can read The Balkanic Peninsula Peace Agreement here.

And you can sign it here.

The Queen of Everlasting snow agrees with Zahumlje and Montfortslavia. Not everyone has that much time or facilities to be active every day. That doesn't mean they don't like being in this region or aren't contributional to the region.

Although this will draw flack i feel that i must say this, i feel that this Actionist Party is just a front for gaining power in the Balkans, everything i read is suggesting that Variable Resistance is after as much power as can mustered. Nearly all that i see written down is propeganda. As for this being the "Actionist" Party, wheres the action? The FSC is not afraid to say that it totally opposes this organisation. Personally i have nothing against VR, but the political actions i have seen lead me to believe what i believe. Also, nations who are not active everyday, this does not mean they don't care. I personally find it hard to get enough time to myself while juggling college, time with my fiancee and working and i'm just a student, most of these nations are run by mature people who have more resposibilities such as family, work, etc.
Ok, my rant is over. Go easy on me.

The Actionist Party has little or no following in Srpska Kosovo. Most inhabitants seem completely unaware of this party or its policies and no Actionist candidates ran in the recent election. (OOC: When my nation holds elections, the results will to some degree reflect events in the region. If the Actionist Party gains support, you might start seeing interest grow in Srpska Kosovo.)

Excellencies: There is no following for the Actionist Party in Zahumlje.
Best Wishes
Katja of Zahumlje
Queen-Komissar

ooc; FSC is correct that many of us, even those who have not reached my age, have a lot of R.L. responsibilities. I'm a full time student, four classes, two in the medical field, one language class, (working on my Spanish), and I'm on the school paper. I have some civic involvements where I live too, not to mention most of the responsibility for running my home. My fiance doesn't take a lot of my time, he lives in BiH, if he's again refused a visa to come back here, well I am likely to go live there, this means that among other things, I am trying to get my house in decent shape to be sold. So there are a lot of things on my plate.

In a poll that was taken by the CCCP before they were overthrown, we found that no one in Paradiszia was interested in the Actionist Party, of coarse if they were the names on that list would be 'cleared'.Anyway, they said that the Actionist Party is a vehicle for taking over the Balkans.

although the leader of this party has much to learn about finess, if this organization will be opposed to Socialism in all it's forms, and be for the most part, a Conservative, and anti UN party, then I might be all for. What I would like to strive for is to create one day a rival organization to the UN, and if possible, for the UN to collapse. I dispise and loath that Organization, that has gone too far to the left, and slowly but surely has tried to rob nations of there soverignty.

Would the Byzantine League be interested in joining the Alliance of Free and Sovereign Nations (AFSoN), which was created for the purposes stated in its message.

This alliance is stagnating right now, but it still has a lot of potential.

More information about the alliance can be found at

http://s3.invisionfree.com/AFSoN_Alliance/...indpost&p=10845

The Alliance needs new and enthusiastic members!