Im athiest so my belief is quite obvious. what do you think?

Nope! I don't think there is. I don't wanna explain why... at the moment, I'll edit my post later.

Same here. I am accepting to other people's rights to believe what they wish, and actually have a basic knowledge of the roots and main beliefs of most major religons (including Judiasm, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam...I am also mildly familiar with Wicca). I just choose not to practice any of them as my own choice. I feel religon should be a personal belief and therefore a personal thing...and that this is inclusive to one's personal belief in the absence of a higher power or force.

yay some aithiest buddies :)

anywho..like i just said..bla bla bla im good

P.S> if i had to pick a religion XD would be buddhism since there is not magical person, no god, and wants you to find your happyness *kills brother* im soo happy now :)

oh..and buddhism has stuff you can actuly believe in :D

Never thought Id see so many athiest of the bat!

Very interesting!

You know, I always find myself asking this question to myself.

I really simply just take a look back on history and say, No, there is no God.

People respond "Yes, there is a God, you have to have faith!!! ^_^"

I say, "Where the FUCK has he been for the last couple 1000 years?"

I say there is no God.

I'm pretty big on history and all the shit that's gone through on history, there can't possibly be one, it's all stupid.

This isn't really a debate yet ;)

Interesting how so many people have died for the idea of peace and love, which include preservation of life. Religion is full of hypocrisy, contradiction and irony. It's like a bunch of sheep following a few rich men who decide how these people should live their lives. Reminds me of a business, which is how i deem it. It also has the same values normal good people have so we can live great lives without having to join one of these business clubs.

I think you can guess where i stand.

Bleh, i'm getting started on this. God? Don't make me laugh. If there is a greater being the only thing I could belive is there being a hell and not a heaven. I could worship deitys of evil before I even begin to vaugely belive in this universal god and his little copyrighted "bible". Someone best described the bible as a book a drugged out farm's man wrote thousands of years ago for campfire tales.

Now as for it being worshiped. It is one persons way of saying "i'm better then you, I have god in my life and you're going to hell for not beliving in him". -_- I live in kansas, I play Dungeons & Dragons... I hear this s*it all the time.

Also looking back in history at the spainards and everybody that was killing just to state that their religion was better. You pretty much just defeated your religion's purpose right there. And after Bush started wearing his religion like a badge for people to vote for him, just made me disapprove of him more... okay I lied, I never approved of him. It just made me hate him more.

Bleh, this is just a rant. I can't stand the bloody relgions, if it's better then the other, fine. Go in the woods and preach to each other, I don't need you tell me how to live.

You make a fairly good argument, Mr. DeBloom. However, I tend to feel that religon's power is not entirely negative. It is what one makes it.
Religion has great constructive and destructive force. It is religon backing the Crusades and the Inquisition and now the conflicts we are currently dealing with. In the name of their god people have killed and enslaved one another. Yet its creative force can be seen in the pyramids in Egypt, the cathedrals in France, and the many organizations sending food and money to needy areas and keeping kids off the street and away from drugs.
Religon isn't entirely bad...it's just that a lot of people are. So, sadly, the bad does seem to outweigh the good...especially when comparing the value of billions of human lives to some blocks of stone in the desert. But, in fairness, there are positive aspects that should be at least acknowledged to exist.

Short answer: No

Long answer: Probably No...lol

Nah, seriously though...I personally dont give a crap about these religions...but I do agree that people should be tolerant of what people believe in...its the same deal as whether or not people believe in human rights or saving the environment or whatever...whether or not you believe it is irrelevant to them, so ya have to respect what the believe in...

SO yeah...but no I think this god crap is a load of ****...lol...

As much as I love to debate on religion, I'm in no mood to give out my already exhausted opinions on the matter.

I'll just answer with simple logic. It's irrelevant. This is a question that's been asked since forever but no one has really answered it. It's neither fact nor fiction. The answer simply varies. You either believe or you don't.

I *do. There is a God for every person. It doesn't have to be god God based on someone's religious doctrine. But rather a personal belief. :)

Looks like i have to be the one to disagree.. Ah well, it'll be fun. Me against ahundred, im used to that... just dont shun me 'caus im a newbie and try to hear me out.

Ok, well first off i see things from a way different perspective.. me being a Christian and all. I've pretty much been raised Christian and gone to church since... before i can remember. To put things as kindly as I can, I think you're all rambling about something you don't know much about at all. Ok, so I didn't read through all the posts, but I read through a few and scanned through some others.

Um.. i'll try to explain my beliefe without saying "I'm a Christian, but you're not so you're going to Hell!!" So let me ask you, haven't you wondered at why we believe in what we do? Don't we have reasons like you do? Part of the reason why I believe in what I do is because.. well.. Evolution sounds about as stupid to me as God does to you. I wont go into a bunch of lame scientific facts right now.. but if you want me to, tell me and I'll put on my nerd glasses later.

As far as the question of where God's been for the past thousand years, I would say the same place He's been for the last six thousand years. If you really looked at what other than what you wanted to see, you would see Him in a lot of places. The United States was founded by Christians on biblical morals and principals, and i think its safe to say the US has become the most powerful nation in the world. Also look at the history of Christians and Jews (long story with the Jews.. dont ask me to explain it, I cant)... look at the holocaust. Christians and Jews have always been hated, rejected, and brutally massacred.. why is that? It's not much different here and today. Yet, we are still here. The Jews weren't destroyed during the holocaust and the Romans couldn't finish the Christians. In fact, Christianity is the oldest surviving religion that I know. Others have died off or began afterward. So whats my point? Maybe that God is there for those that are there for them? As for the rest of history, besides Jews and Christians, I dont see why God would help a people that tell him to get lost, do you? The God I know isn't one to force Himself into places where He's not wanted... He only knocks on the door, if you catch my phrase.

Anyways, thats all I can say on that for now.. ask me questions and I'll try to answer, but gimme some slack I'm only 17.

*applause* Nicely put ^-^

As for me, yeah. I believe in God, and I've prolly been to church twice in my life. I don't know what religion I am, I don't pray on a regular basis, I was never baptized, I don't read the bible, and I'm pretty much clueless on anything and everything that's in it. However, I've been raised believing that there is a God, and I do.

'tis really all I can say.

Sorry, I don't want to seem I'm picking at you, but that isn't entirely true. Actually, of the five most-practiced religons of the world, Christianity is the second youngest, starting in approxamatly 30 A.D. (the youngest being Islam, started in 622 A.D.). Hinduism, Judaism and Buddhism are all much older (as are less-commonly practiced - but still in existance - Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, Confucianism and Taoism).
Also, Jews and Christians aren't the only peoples ever victimized by religous persecution. All through history, whenever there was a clash of beliefs that threatened one's religon it often led to bloodshead. Christianity was viewed as a threat to Roman society and evoked an agressive reaction by the Romans. But, similar fighting and hostility was also experienced by followers of Islam when it first began (this time the aggressors being surrounding peoples of various religons). Additionally, as mentioned earlier, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades were Christian efforts to eradicate or at least retard the influence of other religons.

Just wanted to clarify that...

..I see. Good insight, thank you. Your obviously waaay more polished on your history than I am. I can't say anything you've said is untrue.. but as far as the Conquistadores and the Crusaders, I would say they had some issues in my opinoin... I don't think Christianity should be for "divide and conquer" or "die infidels!!"

Thank you so much. That is exactly the kind of good religon that I am talking about. People should worship whatever diety they believe in with love, not the blood of non-belivers. Christanity along with any other religon should be about the faith, not concentrating on the lack of faith in others. True, one can help others learn a religon, but it should never be forced nor fought over. There should be more people with a view similar to yours and I applaud you.

(By the way, as clarification, the Inquisition had nothing to do with conquistadors...that was later when Spain was conquering lands in South America...the Inquisition was religous persecution of non-Catholics WITHIN Spain and caused many Jews and people of other religons to leave the country to escape said persecution)

Um.. yah, I know who the Conquistadores were.. I just read "Spanish" and assumed it was them.. I completely overlooked the word "Inquisition"(I was problly half sleep and brain dead at the time). But anyways, yah thank you.. thanks a ton. You've definately gained my complete respect. What you say makes a lot of sense.

What a question, 'is there a god?' This is one of the oldest aged questions that I'm sure has pondered in the minds of those for hundreds if not thousands of years. In my opinion I believe to a certain extent that perhaps there is a god. There are some things on this earth that happen and no one can explain it. But are they the workings of some glorious force or just a fluke? No one is quite sure. But if it came down to it I would think that yes, god in some way smiles upon those in need and trys to help. And I'm sure you all probably said something about this before, well then if he does exsist why is it that so many bad things happen around us. Why didn't he stop the 9/11 attacks and whatnot?

To tell the truth that's when I think that the whole line of destiny and fate come into play. Some say that you make your own destiny. But how do you know that the paths layed before you were not the ones that were destined to be there and the one that you chose was in fact the one that fate planned for you to choose? There's also something about the bible.

How do we know that the bible is in fact true? It wasn't god that made it. Man wrote the bible. For all we know is that some crazed priest wrote the bible and told people that it was the word of god and that they should follow it or they will face the wrath of his hand. Okay that was just a little too conspiracy theory... But anyways, I could go on but I think I'll stop now. I just have too much of an open mind... Heh. Sorry. XD

Ok so, you've actually already answered part of your questions for me. Things such as 9/11 often happen out of fate and destiny in my belief. Many of the people there were completely inocent and undeserving, from our perspective, of their death. However, God allows these things to happen for various reasons. Death, of course, comes to everyone at some time, and for many of the people there that was their destined time to pass. Yet, that event happened for more reasons than that.. there is a series of events that God plans out for these things. I don't know what you thought on the war against Iraque(excuse the spelling if thats wrong.. uh.. I'm a bad speller), and I wont get into politics, but it did at least help send the message that the U.S. would not tolerate such acts and probably crippled their ability to make such attacks. Also, it has now brought that country into a democracy (but if my facts are wrong, dont shoot me.. I pretty much stopped caring for the war). These are only examples to say that though something may seem to happen without justice, God had a plan when allowing them to happen. Unfortunate things also happen at times to teach a lesson, to test a person's character, or perhaps just as consequence for mistakes.

As for the Bible, I believe in its truth becaus it has never been disproven. Many people have tried to point out flaws and contradictions but have only aroused questions and puzzles which are only answered later by those who study them to find the answers. The Bible is too flawless to have been invented by some crazed person or even the greatest thinkers of all time (though a lot of it does seem a bit fairytailish or just rediculous even to me at first, many theologians.. uh.. people who study the Bible if I used the right word.., historians, and even scientists have testified to its truth.. all the more reason why no man would have invented it). What I mean is, even though men wrote it down, it was God's words (hence the name "God's word") which He "inspired" them to write.

So anyways, I hope I answered all of your questions and didn't just cause more problems than we started with. If you have others feel free to ask me (hmm... and this isn't even my thread.. *gets inspiration for new thread in "Spam and Such"*..).

God? Let see If there was a God..Would we still have the wars and shit? Also if there was a God, Why would he let this place fall into hell? If God is really here then why he does not stop the war and killings? Where is God when someone you love dies? Where is God when you prey to him? Does he really listen or answer preys? Did anyone in here really saw him or atleast have proof? Come on thinks people..If there was a god how come no one can prove anything..If we see dead people, Does that mean we are all Crazy? I rest my case -bows and walks off-

Alexiel...were you ever religous at some point? Sorry if I'm reading too much into this, but you sound like you're punishing whatever god by denying it's existance instead of having simply a neutral disbelief.
I acknowledge that bad things could happen even with a higher power in existence. We do this to ourselves. But, for whatever reason, I look at what people are claming to be devine truth and all I see is confusion. People claiming certain things to be more morally right than others when I don't see the distinction, or people damning each other to hell for crimes that I don't find sinister. I figure, god COULD exist, but that there's no religon that really has the whole story. I disagree with too many parts of too many religons to belong to one. Which is why I happen to be unaligned religously.
In my opinion, just because bad things happen to people dosen't prove or deny that there is a higher power...it just is how things are.

Just some qustions bother me on alot about God..Its hard to belive in something you can't see or feel. All I see is my friend hurting and getting sick and all..I was sick but were was God when My friend is in need more then anything..Like where is god to help ease the pain she has inside..It just hurt to see her helpless and yet God can't fix that...-shakes her head a bit-

In the information that I believe in, God can heal all those who believe, yet, He loves and will help those in some way or form that don't believe. Does this friend of yours believe?

Also, how do you know He isn't helping her at this moment? Things don't just happen in a matter of a day or two. It might take a few months, maybe even years...

And, about the thing "it's hard to believe things that you can't see, or feel"... I may not be able to see Him, I can feel his presence whenever. You have to keep your mind clear, and such. I mean, there's many things you need to believe in, and some of them... You can't see. It's a fact of life. And, everything isn't "what you see is what you get"...

Using your faith, and putting yourself out there to believe in what others don't is a HUGE step... And, for a lot, they don't regret doing it.

Just a small imput on my part.

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Like she said it may take time for it to seem like God is helping. Sometimes it seems like he never comes but he is there. God plans everything according to his plan and it will always work out for good. This holds true even if you never realize anything is happening.

If nothing bad happened to us, we wouldn't learn anything.

Just a little reply to your guys' saying "All this suffering happens but WHERE'S GOD?"

Seriously. >_> It's like if you're kept in your house your whole life, your house being God, you, being eveyerone. Then once you get out that door, you don't know anything. You don't know that if you come out with a gun and start shooting around, you'll get arrested. You don't know that if you go out running outside naked, you'll be arrested.

Anyway, yes, again, if nothing bad heppned to us, we wouldn't learn anything.

And we are learning some stuff. We've learned some antidotes, and we learned about our universe, etc.

I think, once we figure out that God, really really, exists, that's when the world will end.

Besides, religion isn't about trying to pin point things and trying to prove them wrong, or prove them right. You're not supposed to read a passage and go,

"Jordan River...YES YES! IT MUST BE TRUE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE IN THE MIDDLE EAST!"

It's about believing. Religion is on your faith, and make things better.

Isn't it odd how religious people always seem to live longer than the ones who aren't?

But then again, it could be that, because they believe in something, bliss, when they die, it freshens up their mind and they become happy...Opposed to being stressed out, and working your mind and saying "When I die, I'll be nothing." And you can die sooner from that.

I really believe you should not ignore science if your religious. And not ignore religion if you're a science freak. Things get discovered everyday. I'm sure when we were cavemen or whatever, we would think only God can heal the common cold.

Then we discovered we can cure it ourselves. o_O

But then for you science freaks out there, don't you think it a little odd that prayer can most likely lead to a person getting cured, than not doing anything all?

As for me, yes, I think God exists. ^_^

There we go.

I always stay out of a one-sided argument, simply because I need time to counter everyone's accusations.

I've heard that a lot. "Where the **** is God?"

Funny question.

I've had a darned good life, and I'm probably more "religious" than any of you.

And yet, that's not really important now. I'll explain later.

Here's a thought, though:

The Second Law of Thermodynamics:

All things move AWAY from order. Chaos is the natural law, without the intervention of intelligence.

There must be either a god or some universal intelligence. Evolution is not valid. It's an interesting concept, but it simply doesn't happen.

I've heard about the self-replicating organic compounds made in a lab. But that was a closed environment created by intelligent beings. I'll explain what i'm on about in further detail if ya want me to.


I always say:

"Who cares if life is unfair? You've been given the answers."

I'm depressed because I see the entire world rebelling against the one thing that could save it. Sometimes I wonder why God lets bad things happen. But then I remember a little quote about how things would be if he didn't.

"You're going to be with Me forever, and I'm going to make you LIKE IT!" :D

I thank God for letting me be me. Yeah, one day I believe I'll go back into His will for good, but I'll still be Werrwulf.

My favorite line in the entire Bible:

"Remember me when You come into Your Kingdom."

It's that simple.

There's also a passage in Galatians that tells people to be logical. :o

Eh, Guess i'll add this. Religous people tend to discard evoloution, yet they haven't thought that there's dated creatures before the suppose creation "of those in god's image" (humans) and even before the only "recorded" divine intervention ("jesus"). So if the planet dates vast numbers before divine intervention or man, then why in the nine hells would man be the image of god? The greatest thing there is, is life. It's true, the planets are simply beautiful, plants, animals, entire ecosystems working peacefuly with one another. Even animals, as feral and wild as they may be work much more harmionius with there enviorment thousand fold compared to humans. So why would choatic creatures be the image of your god? What does this say, the guy's bi-polar?

Let's say for a moment, I belive in your superior being. I might acknowledge his existance, I still don't truly think that creatures created so late in planetry life is the "image of god". But, if the image of your one god is truly this late in game, I can belive the evolution chart and saying that perhaps a monkey is the true image and humans are merely creatures fallen from grace, and I don't read or know anything about your religion but I belive lucifer is the fallen angel? And when you think angel you automaticly think winged men figures, and your demons consists of crimson red figures with bat like wings. So really you just gain a diffrent color and go featherless? And possibly gain some horns? Wow, sounds a little like de-evolution to me.

Ah well, the belife of the "One God" will never cease to amuse me.

Since I have a limited amount of time, I'll only respond this breifly.

At the end of your second paragraph, you responded in a way that everything thinks that Lucifer has horns, and turns red. Lucifer, to Christians is walking around the Earth as we speak. He's in everyone, simply because of a sin that was made thousands of years ago in the Garden.
No, they don't lose their wings, and automatically change colour. They are normal people, just like us. And they keep normal.


That's about all the time I have at the moment, I apologize.

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I don't know if this is on topic but I believe Lucifer was actually the most beautiful angel of all...he was just conceited and wanted power over God. According to my mother angels don't even have wings. Demons are also fallen angels. The "one" God I believe in created everything. The world was made by the Lord, and the Lord keeps it.

Fuck all your Gods! :P

Point made shaydah about "Where is he?" Well, the thing

Anyway, yes, like I said,

Fuck all your Gods! :P


The only difference between us shaydah, religion. >_> And that your female and Im male, and the music...

Anyway, me? I'm more of a uh, I have to see it type guy.

Somebody can't be like "All this shit happened 2005 years ago! Isn't God grand and wonderful!!!"

You know, if somebody said their god did a whole bunch of stuff 2005 years ago and preached it like christianity is preached today, where would he be? Insane Asylum! w00t.

Unless God shows me some sort of sign or something that proves his existance other than a uh, 2005 year old book that could of been written by insane people, yeah.

On the last note,

I feel safe in New York City! I feel safe in New York City! I feel safe in New York City!

uh right....i must say, i'm not sure if i believe in "God". There might be some "higher power", but i think you guys need to read Gods Debris by Scott Adams (yes the author of Dilber....has nothing to do with dilbert) it might change you views on alot of things, it did for me.

At the moment i must say i don't believe in a god of current existence or this damn tsunami wouldn't have come and killed so many people. One might have existed or not, maybe one will, but why would an omnipotent being want to create something so imperfect as humans. "We were made in the image of god" yet we were flawed, which "he can't be" because he's omnipotent so therefore he wouldn't have made us. So god didn't exist but maybe one day he will, however if you look at it differently then you could say God blew himself up as the only challange to himself, just to see what life would be like without him. His particles, "god-dust" would travel about the universe popping up in random spots due to probability and then inturn blowing up creating some form of life, BUT GOD, if he existed, WOULDN'T HAVE CREATED HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So yeah forget god.....live off music..........

I am personally more of the agnostic persuasion (meaning I don't know whether or not there is one, but I don't care either way), but if I had to choose, I would think that there is no god. I believe religion to be simply conformist propaganda. I live in a family of christians, and for the first sixteen years of my life (I'm 3 months away from 18 now) I was dragged to church every single sunday, so I know Christianity pretty well. As independant research, I have tried to learn about other religions just so that I could know. When dealing with matters of importance, I like to have a decent knowledge base before I make a final decision. But all religions I have studied seem to be nothing more than a tool to exercise control and encourage conformity over the masses.

Kwanki, have you ever seen the Roman Empire in all its glory? Were you with the settlers of America? Will you believe no one when they tell you about the man who founded New York? I can say confidently that you have witnessed none of these. Therefore, I assume you don't believe in them or evolution either since you have certainly not seen that. Be logical, and try to be more friendly about this. I haven't seen a lot of the neutral or Christian perspective debators here saying "**** your stupid *******!" Also, 2005 years ago was not the begginning of the world.
I have not seen God, but I have felt Him (call me crazy.. whatever, I'm the last person who'd care), and He has become so undeniable in me that I would die for it.

Tears, when God created humans they were perfect but had free will, for God did not create humanity for slaves or amusement. With that free will they made the one choice which made them imperfect. Our flaws are of our own doing; we cannot blame God for them.

Katejitsu, I am not much different than you.. however, I cannot come to understand your decision. God did not create humanity for control, but for fellowship (basically interaction and friendship). For that reason, a lot of good Christian pastors have said that Christianity is not a religion but a relationship.. a friendship. I agree with that, though I still sometimes reffer to it as a religion for lack of another name. Like you, Kate, I was raised Christian. I think you think like I do; and if thats true, then you seek truth. I try to study all possible explainations for reality, and honestly it is too great a task for any human. We have the tendancy to oppose things because we do not understand them at all. Within the last two months, my persuit of truth led me so near to rejecting my faith I am sick thinking of it. I came to question so much what I had believe in for so long.. these were probably the most dificult days of my life. Yet God proved Himself to me in such a way that now I cannot beggin to say how much stronger I am in what I believe. Since two fridays ago, January 21, 2005, I have been the happiest person I know, and most of the time having every reason not to be exept for what happened that day (I plan on posting about it if it's ok with everyone else.. but another day).

Saying to be "logical" could contradict everything you just said, Joe.

We can't see God, so how do we know he's there? That's called religious faith. If you're not devout, you'd be questioning the existence of God.

Do people feel God, or is it just the wind? What does God feel like? There's no way of knowing. We just have this knowledge passed down to us through church, or whatever.

I don't see God.
I don't feel God.
I don't talk to God.

How do I know he is there? Logic would be taking into account all of the supernatural mtyhs of this world, such as a Heaven that can't be seen or found until after you die. Is Heaven there after death? Only the dead know. Did the dead reach Nirvana? How do we know? We can't talk to them.

If you want me to be logical about it, I'd say that considering I can't sit on a cloud, talk to the dead, or cast magic, there is no God, no Heaven, no Hell.

I'm sure that's how most of the nonbelievers see it.

However, I do believe in many Gods, not just one in particular. I can't explain it..but because of how I was taught and brought up, that's how it goes. Doesn't mean I still don't question the existence though.

I would never expect someone who doesn't believe in what I do to understand how I can feel God. It is difficult for even a person who has been a Christian for years to "feel" God.

By being "logical" I mean, dont just say "I can't see it, it's not real" or "it can't be real because I don't understand it." I didn't establish my faith through a feeling, I established my faith through reason, basing my thoughts of of certain undeniable facts and truths that can be understood even without ever being taught them. I will try to describe my thought process as best I can. It is simillar to that of another theologian..



I will pretend for a moment that there is no God. I am just a man. I can see others like me. We have what we call "history" which tells us of our origins and ancestors; however, I can see neither past nor future so this does not matter. For all I can really know or care, I and the others like me are the origional inhabitants of this location we are set in. Yet, I have parent's who claimed they birthed me; and if I deny that, it brings another riddle.. I can remember being young. I choose to trust memory because of what truth it must contain, as the effects of what I remember ten minutes or a year ago show themeselves here in the present. Thus, continuing down my memories I continue to become younger. This continues to a point to where I cannot remember and I assume there must have been a time when I did not exist. If I once did not exist then something must have brought me to be, and if not my so called "parents" then who? and if they are the ones who brought me to this existense, and they are human like I, which I confirm to myself through appearance, behavior, needs, ect., then they must also have origionated from other humans, and this continues until the origin of all mankind comes into question.
There are not many effective or widely accepted points of view explaining the origin of mankind. Most of us will be content to look at two of them: Evolution (no God), and Christianity (God made all).
Considering Evolution (this, of course, gets somewhat into what I have learned), basically, as I have heard it taught by evolutionists, after the "big bang" there was a rocky mass with no life. It rained on this portion of matter for millions of years until from it (somehow.. i forget, sorry) an amoeba was formed. Beggining from mere cells, this being, if you can yet call it that, multiplied and changed itself, as we all know cells can do, and through "prime selection" continued to develope into greater beings more and more adapted to their environment, until from this evolution came mankind. If this is true, or at least mostly true if I have mistaken some facts, then, having descended from the same being that every animal in existence has decended from, I am no different than any animal. However, once again looking to the undeniable, I see that I am different. Observing wildlife, what I see is not the same as what I see in human life. I have found that the instincs of every living animal are centered around the survival and continuation of their species. They mate, but have no love as humans do. I see in every living creature an undying desire for food. They make no goals in life, set no ambitions, and make no accomplishments, they just live. Humans are so verry different from that. I have but to look at the computer I work at to distinguish myself from any animal. No species of animal that I know of has any form of government, or has developed a nation as great as even humanity's most primitive society. If humans are so different, then, with the same reasoning I used to confirm that I was indeed birthed from my parents, I must conclude that they did not decend from the same beings.

I will post my reasoning for choosing to believe in God later (I am extremely tired, and still have school work to do). This is only the bigginning of why I chose to believe that evolution cannot be true, but please, tell me where my reasoning is flawed so far. I am not here for the purpose of imposing my beliefes on everyone, but to help us all reach a logical and accaptible conclusion. What other point is there to a debate after all? And one as important as this one, I think, should be clarified, at least to the point where we all understand why the other believes so strongly in what he/she does.

I believe there is a higher being, but I'm not sure its God. I'm too confused when I try to imagine nothingness after death, so I do believe that there is a place we go after we die. But as to whetheror not its a heaven or hell I'm not sure about that, the honest truth is we know nothing of the afterlife and we wont know until we get there. So be patient, it'll come soon enough.

There is no god. Im "Christian" in the point that i go to church and do all that stuff. The bible just a little book written by cavemen basicly. the newer part of the bible, the part bout jesus is about a guy, did a lot a good, was killed, and then his friends, who mustave been on something, started writing stories bout him.

There is just so much stuff disproving god, i don know how people can ignore it

"Is there a god?"

I think the better question would be, "How can there not be?"

When you think about it, all the scientific data ends in the scientist stupidly gapping at the inevidable solution that is God.

Im Christian, and when I say Christian, I mean that I believe the Bible, the teachings, stories, everything. Im sure there is a God, Im sure Jesus existed. Dont ask me how Im sure of that but I am.

Think about this, you cant see Jesus or God, so you say He doesnt exist? But you cannot see air, yet you say it exists. Obviously because you can see its effects. You can also see the effects of God. A higher being that people (some people) believe is responsible for their blessed life. Or for some miracles that have happened to them or others. Those are the effects of God. So why is he not believed in by all? Who knows.

It is my opinion that there is a God and that when this world ends, He will be there to take everyone in and separate humanity in His own little ways.

Now, Im not saying that my God is the only God, hell, I wouldnt be suprised if Im believing in the wrong God. But atleast I have a God to believe in. And in my opinion, he is THE GOD. as compaired to a god.

Air is a bad example. There is undeniable evidance that air exits. There is no concrete proof that god exists. When you repost, dont say all that stuff about having to "belive" that is just a excuse to stop people from disproving god.

Ive also noticed from CCD (religion classes) that the majority of people who believe in god, are either very old, or had a near death expirence.

All the people that I know that had afterlife experiences had said that they saw a great white light and that their dead friends and family were there to see them. Only 1 person said that they had seen a god, the rest said that they were just in a very peaceful place. So allz I know is that it will be peaceful after death,which will allow me to escape this hell on Earth.